alohagoirish
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So much hostility and defensivness over the fact that someone representing many other fans is making the case for REES over Crist.
You seem to think its perfectly kosher for you to point out every defect in Rees's game in your argument for Crists superiority. But you find it offensive that i would point out the defects in Crists game to make my argument for Rees.
Thats somehow smacks of an emotional investment in Crist that makes it hard to accept his game is far from flawless.
My facts are from a fith grader
And your facts are from a true analyst ---my my
Quarterback rating--favors REES
Turnovers favor crist--as you say
Completion % favors REES
More passing yards favors Crist---
More rushing yards for Crist
Higher rate of touchdown passes for REES
Carrying the offense is totally subjective---Crist carried the offense to alot of losses--so that one stats do not bear out.
Tougher throws---another debateable point since crist missed so many throws in sloppy fashion
But even if you think you have a case for those two --they are more then offset by
Better winning record for Rees---a stat that you can spin but it is what it is a fact!
Less drive killing sacks taken by REES the QB with the quicker release and quicker decsions---Thats a FACT!
Crist was better on 3rd and short
Rees was better on 3rd and long
Then there this huge factor---Crist had the benifit of the 1st team reps and the focus of all the coaches since spring, since kelly was hired!---Crist had 8 games to start in and took 1st team reps weak after weak---Crist had Rudolph--Crist had Allen--Crist had Riddeck
Rees came in COLD--a true frosh-- he came in at one of the lowest points in years---the sullivan sadness---the injuries--all the freakin lossses---many were QUESTIONING BOTH CRIST AND KELLY after the navy game.---Rees had no first team reps till the utah game------WITH ALL THAT AGAINST HIM---HE PLAYED TOUCHDOWN 4 TOUCHDOWN with dayne---matched or exceeded him in most every stat, stats THAT ARE UNIVERSALLY USED TO RATE QBs---
And promptly delivered three of the biggest wins at ND in 10 years!
So there you go--you can repeat i don't answer your points--of course i do!---I give Crist credit it some area's but it is ABSOLUTELY UNDENIABLE FACT that Rees matched or exceeded dayne in many area's even though he was only a few months out of HIGH SCHOOL!
So the fact that you are so touchy & defensive about an alternative evaluation from yours is NOT MY FAULT!---I make a clean case-- a good case---you may disagree--you may give more weight to what you like---but to simply say the argument for REES IS A 5TH GRADE ARGUMENT---
My goodness man--you have just trashed the coach and the staff for holding a spring sham of a competition---or else just being foolish thinking this is a close call between these two players.
Of course its a close call---thats why it has not been made and won't be until so late.----------Rocket you seem to have a depak chopra thing going on--- you accuse me of what you do yourself---YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY WEIGHT TO THE COUNTER ARGUMENT. ----I have given dayne his due--his physical tools are better---and his statistics are similar---
It is you who does not seem capable of seeing the opposing view---You take every standard for rating a QB --QB rating--Completion %---TD's---Wins and losses--Sacks taken---ALL THE UNIVERSAL STATS USED AT EVERY LEVEL OF FOOTBALL YOU THROW OUT AS SO MUCH 5th GRADE MANIPULATION!---The only standard you like are the ones that favor Crist--INTs--Rushing Yards
It appears to me you have a huge EMOTIONAL investment in dayne and take what is a legitimate and CLOSE debate and dismiss it as a big attack!---the coaches are all either liars or stupid by your thinking.
Face the FACT---Rees vs Crist was named by espn and several other pubs as one of the two or three KEY QB battles this season----On espn guys like andre ware and jesse palmer like REES---1000s of ND fans like REES---Lots of fence sitters ( whatever the coach decides types)---And a large contingent that expect dayne to win the job----with many of them far from overflowing with confidence.
The future is likely golson---some like hendricks----but this season there will Be a QB competition from WIRE TO WIRE!
Don't take it so personally---Its an interesting competition---its an unsettled competition---and its unclear how strong a grip whomever gets the starting nod will have on the position.
I think if you relax and look at this debate in a rational manner , you have to admit this is a battle between two guys that have legitimate rights to lay claim to the strating role.
It is not a battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil !
take care
You seem to think its perfectly kosher for you to point out every defect in Rees's game in your argument for Crists superiority. But you find it offensive that i would point out the defects in Crists game to make my argument for Rees.
Thats somehow smacks of an emotional investment in Crist that makes it hard to accept his game is far from flawless.
My facts are from a fith grader
And your facts are from a true analyst ---my my
Quarterback rating--favors REES
Turnovers favor crist--as you say
Completion % favors REES
More passing yards favors Crist---
More rushing yards for Crist
Higher rate of touchdown passes for REES
Carrying the offense is totally subjective---Crist carried the offense to alot of losses--so that one stats do not bear out.
Tougher throws---another debateable point since crist missed so many throws in sloppy fashion
But even if you think you have a case for those two --they are more then offset by
Better winning record for Rees---a stat that you can spin but it is what it is a fact!
Less drive killing sacks taken by REES the QB with the quicker release and quicker decsions---Thats a FACT!
Crist was better on 3rd and short
Rees was better on 3rd and long
Then there this huge factor---Crist had the benifit of the 1st team reps and the focus of all the coaches since spring, since kelly was hired!---Crist had 8 games to start in and took 1st team reps weak after weak---Crist had Rudolph--Crist had Allen--Crist had Riddeck
Rees came in COLD--a true frosh-- he came in at one of the lowest points in years---the sullivan sadness---the injuries--all the freakin lossses---many were QUESTIONING BOTH CRIST AND KELLY after the navy game.---Rees had no first team reps till the utah game------WITH ALL THAT AGAINST HIM---HE PLAYED TOUCHDOWN 4 TOUCHDOWN with dayne---matched or exceeded him in most every stat, stats THAT ARE UNIVERSALLY USED TO RATE QBs---
And promptly delivered three of the biggest wins at ND in 10 years!
So there you go--you can repeat i don't answer your points--of course i do!---I give Crist credit it some area's but it is ABSOLUTELY UNDENIABLE FACT that Rees matched or exceeded dayne in many area's even though he was only a few months out of HIGH SCHOOL!
So the fact that you are so touchy & defensive about an alternative evaluation from yours is NOT MY FAULT!---I make a clean case-- a good case---you may disagree--you may give more weight to what you like---but to simply say the argument for REES IS A 5TH GRADE ARGUMENT---
My goodness man--you have just trashed the coach and the staff for holding a spring sham of a competition---or else just being foolish thinking this is a close call between these two players.
Of course its a close call---thats why it has not been made and won't be until so late.----------Rocket you seem to have a depak chopra thing going on--- you accuse me of what you do yourself---YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY WEIGHT TO THE COUNTER ARGUMENT. ----I have given dayne his due--his physical tools are better---and his statistics are similar---
It is you who does not seem capable of seeing the opposing view---You take every standard for rating a QB --QB rating--Completion %---TD's---Wins and losses--Sacks taken---ALL THE UNIVERSAL STATS USED AT EVERY LEVEL OF FOOTBALL YOU THROW OUT AS SO MUCH 5th GRADE MANIPULATION!---The only standard you like are the ones that favor Crist--INTs--Rushing Yards
It appears to me you have a huge EMOTIONAL investment in dayne and take what is a legitimate and CLOSE debate and dismiss it as a big attack!---the coaches are all either liars or stupid by your thinking.
Face the FACT---Rees vs Crist was named by espn and several other pubs as one of the two or three KEY QB battles this season----On espn guys like andre ware and jesse palmer like REES---1000s of ND fans like REES---Lots of fence sitters ( whatever the coach decides types)---And a large contingent that expect dayne to win the job----with many of them far from overflowing with confidence.
The future is likely golson---some like hendricks----but this season there will Be a QB competition from WIRE TO WIRE!
Don't take it so personally---Its an interesting competition---its an unsettled competition---and its unclear how strong a grip whomever gets the starting nod will have on the position.
I think if you relax and look at this debate in a rational manner , you have to admit this is a battle between two guys that have legitimate rights to lay claim to the strating role.
It is not a battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil !
take care
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