Winning vs. Championship Football

Old Man Mike

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This will be largely b.s., so don't take any of the details/opinions too seriously. Coach Kelly has often stated that he thinks "X" "Y" or "Z" on the team is capable of "winning" football, but that he doesn't know about "championship" football. Whenever Coach talks about "championship football", he always means a National Championship. Last year he used this exact verbiage to describe 9 players constituting his offensive line. [Martin, Stewart, Cave, Robinson, Dever, Romine, Nuss, Golic, and Watt were, I believe who he was referring to].

He would not go into who he felt was capable of playing "championship" football, and as a psychology master probably wouldn't. But I've wondered who we have that the staff thinks has proven to them that they are in this class. I am going to make my opinionated statements now for the stimulation and wrath of all: Looking at our team, and thinking in terms only of what has already been demonstrated on the field, I think that it is possible that the Staff judges only about seven, maybe eight, such players [i.e., "winners" but perhaps not "championship winners"].

My seven, in order of my opinion of best first are: 1). Mike Floyd;
2). Manti Te'o;
3). Harrison Smith;
4). Gary Gray;
5). Zach Martin;
6). Braxton Cave;
7). Tyler Eifert.
Others might be assessed by the Staff as close. My best guess for those would be a). the rest of the offensive starting line; b). Theo Riddick; c). Robert Blanton. Maybe Darius Fleming and Kapron Lewis-Moore would be viewed as having already proved enough, but since this is such a high standard, I doubt it. I also doubt that they'd be ready to put Cierre Wood in that class yet [remember, this is about "championship football" production].

When I look at my list, my admiration rises for what Diaco did with less "star-power" than the offense. Admittedly, Kelly had to battle the inadequacies of the key offensive position all year, so no knock on him. [again, remember this is not about winning a game but a championship]. I am also impressed at how this points out again how significant our need for rapid replacement of D-Backs is --- we are losing not only starters but championship quality starters.

When I meditate on these matters, they cool me off a little on the Kool-Aid. I have to admit that on many of the positions we haven't proved that we can play Championship football yet, even though we are good essentially everywhere. With this coaching staff though, maybe we don't have to be star-studded everywhere.
 

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Interesting perspective you have here. I've always thought anyone skilled enough to play D-1 football anywhere, much less Notre Dame, is capable of playing "winning football." It certainly does take a special kind of player to play "championship football," but individual skill only constitutes 50% of that formula IMO. The other half is will and work ethic, which is just as important.
 

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I can easily see me misinterpreting Kelly on this, but I think that when he says "winning" football he means winning the majority of games on an ND-quality schedule. That would not include quite a few D-! level players, but would still leave you short of an NC caliber team.
 

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Well, my opinion is based on first glance TV watching as opposed to countless hours of film I used to watch.

I mentioned by game one or two this past season that this was the best D I had seen in years. It was all about personnel and SCHEME. Special teams I also mentioned early on were not dynamic, but were very effiecient, and except for one glaring mistake all season, they did not lose games for the team.

Believe it or don't, I thought the glaring weakness was the OLine blocking schemes. Again, it is only a first glance TV watching opinion, but it seems the OLine blocking schemes were overly simplistic, and backs running east / west just to take a handoff, then try to find a north/south hole was futile. Watch any video of Holtz coached lines. Any random play could have scored. Backs were north/south. All linemen always had a hat on someone, very often with good angle blocks. It seemed Kelly's scheme last year required creative play calling, because the blocking schemes were, well, uncreative. Our own line was in the way.

Just a thought. I really don't like the spread running game. Of course that will change if they average 300 rushing next season, but for now...
 

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How many of our players could have started for Oregon or Auburn last year? Probably more than you think.

I apologize if I'm misinterpreting your post, OOM, but no D1 team fields a starting line-up of mostly All-Americans.

I did a quick search to see what's the highest number of All-Americans to ever play on the same team, but nothing came up. Would love to know if anyone can find out.
 
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Old Man Mike

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This "winning" vs "championship" distinction is not my wording. This is what I've heard KELLY say --- so whack away at the concept, I have no dog in the race. I made this thread because I don't understand exactly what Kelly means by this, but it obviously DOES mean something to him or he wouldn't be spontaneously phrasing things this way.

Kelly used this terminology to describe both O-Line personnel [not their systems of blocking but his estimation of their readiness/functionality as individual players] and his quarterbacks [these two groups at a minimum, and a distant bell is ringing that he spoke of someone else this way as well].

What I hoped might happen in this thread was that someone could clarify to me what Kelly means when he talks like this, and then we could perhaps assess how far off he thinks his personnel are from playing championship football generally across the line-up [and I am certain that he is not talking about everyone being an All-American].
 

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The way I have always thought of it was, are our players at a point where they can win most of our match ups or are we a team that can silence any star player on the opposing side. Can we pressure Luck and shut down the WR? Or .... are we a team that is going to compete and hope they make a mistake? Can our line get in front of Nick Fairly and slow him 90% of his snaps or will he make a major play or two every series keeping us from getting our groove going. Like he did at Oregon.

Along those lines is how I have taken his sayings but then again, who really knows.
 

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i think the difference between winning football and championship football is an aura.

championship football can win you games before you even step foot on the field. we can play winning football (pulling out wins here or there), but championship football is at an entirely different level.

we haven't had that aura about us in a long time and i think that's what bk is striving for.
 

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in addition to that, i believe that success can bread more success. if the players can buy into the historical success (whether it's recent or past), then that lays a solid foundation for future success.

that to me....is championship football.
 
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