'12 NY DT Jarron Jones (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[Zibby32]

Google a picture of Richard Seymour, google a picture of Vince Wilfork.....Do it twice if you need too

That should about end this little debate. It not about size, its about body "type"

Nix is a NT, he is massive. What he lacks in mobility, he makes up in size and strength, Take Aaron Lynch as an example. In a few years a very well might be tipping the scales at around 300 pounds due to his height. Is he "too athletic" to play NT? no...but I wouldnt want him getting buried down there considering the work he can do off the edge,

Dont get caught up in weight, its deceiving. Players carry it differently than others. Jones's 300 lb frame is far different than Schutts. Two different body "Types"

 

[rtrn2glory]

the thing about noses in a 3-4 system is there job is to be blocked by at least 2 guys every play, not necessarily to make the tackle. the staff may be thinking why waste a guy at nose with his type of ability when he should be on the edge using his athleticism to make more plays...just a thought

 

[Zibby32]

the thing about noses in a 3-4 system is there job is to be blocked by at least 2 guys every play, not necessarily to make the tackle. the staff may be thinking why waste a guy at nose with his type of ability when he should be on the edge using his athleticism to make more plays...just a thought

I think this logic is a bit skewed. "wasting" is a strong word. Its more about how does Jarron's skill set get utilized best? On the outside as a 5 technique, or working the Center over. I think you would have a hard time explaining to Louis Nix :

"Hey, we are going to waste you over the center. Just sit there and get double team because are DE's are way better than you and can make tackles."

 

[rtrn2glory]

I put it bluntly i agree, but you have to admit...that's basically what they're supposed to do and in big Lou's case "don't let Man'ti get touched." NT/3 tech are told all the way down to pee wee to not let their MLB's get blocked and i'm sure deep down big lou knows this too.

Remember how good we were when our nose guard Trevor Laws led our team in tackles? just not supposed to happen

 

[Zibby32]

we are agreeing here...

The position is not wasted on talented individuals. Vince Wilfork is a top Nose in the NFL, can play DE as well. Without him the patriots defense is junk.

My point was, just because he is a good player does not mean he shouldn't play NT. If anything you want your best at that position so that MANti AND Carlo can run free....We have two middle guys fyi

 

[rtrn2glory]

i hear what you're saying, of course every player on the field at this level is pretty good, but let's put the elite guys with speed and athleticism on the edge that can make plays on there own. big lou's good but he isn't going to be chasing down guys any time soon..

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Google a picture of Richard Seymour, google a picture of Vince Wilfork.....Do it twice if you need too

That should about end this little debate. It not about size, its about body "type"

Nix is a NT, he is massive. What he lacks in mobility, he makes up in size and strength, Take Aaron Lynch as an example. In a few years a very well might be tipping the scales at around 300 pounds due to his height. Is he "too athletic" to play NT? no...but I wouldnt want him getting buried down there considering the work he can do off the edge,

Dont get caught up in weight, its deceiving. Players carry it differently than others. Jones's 300 lb frame is far different than Schutts. Two different body "Types"

Zibby knows his stuff. Here is a body comparison I know and understand, that I made on another thread:

I’ve never seen this guy in person (Jones) or a whole body shot. What body type is he? A good example is Zack Martin, versus either Kapron Lewis-Moore or Ethan Johnson. All three of those dudes are a solid 300(+) pounds, but their builds are not remotely the same. Zack is built just like a killer left tackle should be, he’s just about as wide as the Mississippi from top to bottom. The defensive ends have very big legs, but they are much narrower in the pelvis.

That plus Old Man MIke is spot on. Diffierent body types have different advantages at different positions. Diaco, knows defensive schemes even include that. Kelly alows players to find their position. But the general rule is long players with quick steps populate the outside positions. Players with anchor strength and body density play inside. Except Manti who has everything and Prince who has the athletic ability to play anywhere!

 

[jason_h537]

OK but the thing that makes an elte NT is the ability to push the pocket back and get pressure up the middle, despite double teams. What I am hearing is that we just want a roadblock there not a playmaker. I say the thing that makes Louis Nix so intriguing is that he has the ability to be a playmaker up the middle. That is why this argument of athleticism is better suited on the edge seems siilly to me because Nix has athleticism.

A couple notes i read that bothered me: Trevor Laws was playing DE in our 3-4 when he led the team in tackles, not NT

Also KLM does not play the spot Tuitt will take over. Ethan Johnson is our bigger run stuffing DE, KLM is more the pass rusher on the other side. Ideally when we drop a LB down to rush the passer it will be Ethan Johnson who moves inside

 

[Zibby32]

you are correct...Nix does have the ability to push the pocket. Key in any defensive line rush. the complaint on him, reason why he redshirted, wasssss.....because he is too big for his frame. He was simply to big, lacked conditioning, and was unfit to play. Lesson learn, we move on to 2011.

 

[Ironman8]

Per 24/7:

-Look for Virginia Tech to potentially get involved with five-star defensive lineman and Penn State soft verbal commit Jarron Jones (Rochester, N.Y./Aquinas School). There is some interest on both sides for the talented big man.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Not sure if this has already been posted, but Scout has a new article saying Jones will visit South Bend this summer. Also has some other comments from him on ND, but its premium.

 

[GBdomer]

He is visiting this summer and loves the academics Notre Dame has to offer to sum up the article.

 

[beryirish]

ESPN Insider

College Football Rumors - Rumor Central - NCAA - ESPN

Says along with his top 5 schools he plans to make visits to (ND, Louisville, Syracuse, UNC, Mich) he also is now considering Boston College and Pitt. His mother said that the soft verbal to PSU is merely saying that PSU is in the drivers seat for now.

 

[rtrn2glory]

imo...every verbal nowadays is a soft verbal

 

[ThePiombino]

imo...every verbal nowadays is a soft verbal

That's not totally true and a little unfair to those who commit early and never waiver. Though, I completely understand the frustrations we as fans feel. But at the end of the day, it's all about the kids as this may very well wind up being the single biggest decision of their respective lives. It's understandable how some may be unsure and go back and forth.

 

[rtrn2glory]

nothing against any kids...it's just fact that any verbal is simply a non-binding agreement...til the name is on the dotted line it's simply a soft verbal in my book.

 

[Cali_domer]

 

[ThePiombino]

nothing against any kids...it's just fact that any verbal is simply a non-binding agreement...til the name is on the dotted line it's simply a soft verbal in my book.

Oh I know you meant nothing against anyone. I certainly wasn't implying that. I'm sorry if it came across that way. My point is simply that for every kid there waffles, there is one who doesn't. Either he makes his decision early and sticks with it or he doesn't make his decision until later, when he's POSITIVE. It just seems that no verbals are worth their weight because a lot of the higher profile kids are constantly being pulled in a million directions, feeling pressure from everywhere. Thus, there may be a higher likelihood that they would flip or what have you...

 

[ThePiombino]

lolol So you've basically summarized the entire recruitment process into bacon and eggs, nice!

 

[rtrn2glory]

not gonna lie, i get excited about kids verballing to ND and surely most do not waiver in their commitment, but just based on past experience i see it as important that i don't put all my eggs in one basket til he's signed the dotted line...i know what you're saying sir, but we just need to be realistic in this day in age of the internet and every other form of communication that stays in these players ears til February.

 

[koonja]

"Penn State commit Jarron Jones Jones has recently visited UNC, VT and SYR. Jones will soon visit Louisville, Michigan and Notre Dame."

Twitter

 

[GainesvilleIrish]

"Penn State commit Jarron Jones Jones has recently visited UNC, VT and SYR. Jones will soon visit Louisville, Michigan and Notre Dame."

Twitter

Awesome! Get him on campus, let him see the school and facilities & talk to the coaches.

 

[GBdomer]

he really liked his UNC visit.

 

[BleedBlue&Gold]

Does anyone know when his coming on his visit? update on 4HL.

 

[Ironman8]

Does anyone know when his coming on his visit? update on 4HL.

June 25. Check the visitor list next time

 

[BleedBlue&Gold]

June 25. Check the visitor list next time

see it's june 28th, see think you know every da*n thing!

 

[effacient]

His last name is Jones. Plays for a Catholic school in Rochester, NY.

That is good one. Thanks for telling his last name. I want it also to know.

 

[woolybug25]

That is good one. Thanks for telling his last name. I want it also to know.

You have two posts, both are awful.


As long as he doesn't go to Michigan, I will be happy. He already has visited them and there is no "lean" talk on the UM boards. So maybe we have a chance?

 

[BeauBenken]

You have two posts, both are awful.



As long as he doesn't go to Michigan, I will be happy. He already has visited them and there is no "lean" talk on the UM boards. So maybe we have a chance?

Whoa. Don't get upset like someone pee'd on your rug.

He may just be a tad confused on what he's doing...

 

[NDinL.A.]

Whoa. Don't get upset like someone pee'd on your rug.

He may just be a tad confused on what he's doing...

Wooly is drinking and his post went a tad bit too far (I deleted the request for suicide part of it LOL), but he has a point. That guy's (effacient) posts are weird and completely off-topic. He has been sent a PM about it.