ND gives the finger to China

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Very cool of ND to do that. The USA needs more companies to think that way.

Nice to know that ND does this.

Broad business wise the US in the near future will start to have more US made product. Chinese workers will be making more money as they grow economically. It will be less than Americans but that's when you factor in logistics/transporting costs. That's where you will soon see the difference and changes will be coming. Optimistic.
 

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Very cool of ND to do that. The USA needs more companies to think that way.

When it becomes profitable for their shareholders then you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be done. Don't count on it.
 

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I was going to say something to that extent. I love my dividends from stock ownership but hate that an American doesn't get paid to manufacture the products.
 

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Thanks!!! Did not know this... but yet another reason to love ND!
That is big-way to go Irish. Next time someone asks whats Notre Dame has done to lead or why are you so proud of Notre dame-lay this little factoid on 'em and see what they have to say. Made in China my @#$. Go Irish!!!!
 

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Proud, proud, proud of my school. I have refused to buy Made-in-China goods for many years now. There are a long list of reasons which should not relate to politics but cover a variety of alleged values evinced by both parties. My biggest reason is the bizarre idea that we Americans have that it's a good idea to fund the unlimited development of the biggest de-stabilizing force [on almost any topic] in the entire planet.

You can list resource depletion, resource hoarding [note the recent decision to keep its own supply of rare earth metals at home as an example], forest destruction, air pollution, mercury pollution, habitat destruction, poor cooperation on regional political problems [ex North Korea and Iran], resource takeovers in Africa, our own national debt, continuing one-way-street trade policies on several critical commodities [including foods], ... the list is never-ending and I haven't listed any so-called "liberal" concerns [which I support as well] like human rights and workers rights and movement towards democracy and an open justice system. Thank God, literally, that there is a Notre Dame.
 

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"We are the Fighting Irish."

It would never happen but this would be a great subject for one of the half-time pieces on a home game. The social consciousness that this portrays is admirable. Dean Woo could comment on the importance of this. If there was enough public pressure on some large state universities to join in, this could make a real difference.

Proud to love the Irish.
 

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Good...I think China will be pretty sporadic on everything from Human rights to their economy...Good for ND. Nothing wrong with turning up the volume of your message for someone by taking away your business. Hope many, many others follow.
 

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Oddly enough, I thought you were referring to the foam finger ND had given to Hu Jintao....



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Is this one of the alleged pictures from Lou's trip to China after the 1988 title where he ate bald eagle eggs with Kim Jong Il and hula-hooped with George Washington's intestines in Tiananmen Square next to the corpse of Stalin??????
 

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Proud, proud, proud of my school. I have refused to buy Made-in-China goods for many years now. There are a long list of reasons which should not relate to politics but cover a variety of alleged values evinced by both parties. My biggest reason is the bizarre idea that we Americans have that it's a good idea to fund the unlimited development of the biggest de-stabilizing force [on almost any topic] in the entire planet.

You can list resource depletion, resource hoarding [note the recent decision to keep its own supply of rare earth metals at home as an example], forest destruction, air pollution, mercury pollution, habitat destruction, poor cooperation on regional political problems [ex North Korea and Iran], resource takeovers in Africa, our own national debt, continuing one-way-street trade policies on several critical commodities [including foods], ... the list is never-ending and I haven't listed any so-called "liberal" concerns [which I support as well] like human rights and workers rights and movement towards democracy and an open justice system. Thank God, literally, that there is a Notre Dame.

I'm with you Mike. My only quibble would be in calling those concerns "liberal." I'm more of a traditionalist, and those are certainly among my core values. Regardless of politics, we can be proud that our Alma Mater is again taking a stand.
 

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Alaska: with you friend. I hate the labels. It's why I put the word into " "s. On the stupidity of using words like this: I would often in my teaching career hear a person who defined himself as a "conservative" speak about clear-cutting your Tongas forest. Meditating on the concept of Forest "conservation" vs. clear-cutting, my mind would be swept into a dizzy realm of 1984-talk. "Liberals" might be for "conservation" while "conservatives" were for not conserving it. Every issue is its own thing. Applying a single philosophy to all problems is a pretty risky activity, and in fact denies everything that a good university education stands for.
 

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Alaska: with you friend. I hate the labels. It's why I put the word into " "s. On the stupidity of using words like this: I would often in my teaching career hear a person who defined himself as a "conservative" speak about clear-cutting your Tongas forest. Meditating on the concept of Forest "conservation" vs. clear-cutting, my mind would be swept into a dizzy realm of 1984-talk. "Liberals" might be for "conservation" while "conservatives" were for not conserving it. Every issue is its own thing. Applying a single philosophy to all problems is a pretty risky activity, and in fact denies everything that a good university education stands for.

Those distinctions tend to blur a bit here. Even the most ardent proponents of drilling, mining, etc add the caveat " as long as it can be done in an environmentally responsible manner," or something similar. No Alaskan would ever support clear cutting in the Tongas, but eliminating all logging was an overreaction, and devestated the economy of Southeast Alaska. Most of us want to see Alaska developed (Our economy is natural resources -based), but this is our home.
 

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Those distinctions tend to blur a bit here. Even the most ardent proponents of drilling, mining, etc add the caveat " as long as it can be done in an environmentally responsible manner," or something similar. No Alaskan would ever support clear cutting in the Tongas, but eliminating all logging was an overreaction, and devestated the economy of Southeast Alaska. Most of us want to see Alaska developed (Our economy is natural resources -based), but this is our home.

I like this...common sense. I'm an odd duck in the lower 48...I think we MUST find a way to efficiently tap the resources we have, however, as you stated, in a way that makes environmental sense.

I was so burned up at the "haliburton loophole" I wanted to slap W...totally irresponsible. Alot of misnomers associated with it, but alot of real risk nobody knows how to handle.

Anyway, refreshing outlook...thanks.
 

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Well, somebody needs to give the finger to China...why not Notre Dame? Haha...j/k
 

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I like this...common sense. I'm an odd duck in the lower 48...I think we MUST find a way to efficiently tap the resources we have, however, as you stated, in a way that makes environmental sense.

I was so burned up at the "haliburton loophole" I wanted to slap W...totally irresponsible. Alot of misnomers associated with it, but alot of real risk nobody knows how to handle.

Anyway, refreshing outlook...thanks.

We Alaskans are in the midst of a bitter debate at present over a possible copper/gold mine in an environmentally sensitive area. The mining company hasn't even submitted a proposal yet, but both pro- and anti- mine forces have spent a fortune on advertising. The mine would create a significant number of jobs in an area which desperately needs them. There is a concern, though, that a waste dump, held behind a dam, could contaminate the waters which feed into the Bristol Bay salmon fishery. As Alaska is very prone to earthquakes, this is a valid concern. You can be sure that the permitting process (Once a proposal is sumbitted) will be thorough.
 

phgreek

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We Alaskans are in the midst of a bitter debate at present over a possible copper/gold mine in an environmentally sensitive area. The mining company hasn't even submitted a proposal yet, but both pro- and anti- mine forces have spent a fortune on advertising. The mine would create a significant number of jobs in an area which desperately needs them. There is a concern, though, that a waste dump, held behind a dam, could contaminate the waters which feed into the Bristol Bay salmon fishery. As Alaska is very prone to earthquakes, this is a valid concern. You can be sure that the permitting process (Once a proposal is sumbitted) will be thorough.

Those are very difficult issues with which to wrestle...the contention kills honest collaboration, and development of real risk-based solutions...it turns into a political issue, and once that happens, the solution usually punishes one side or the other, is not ballanced or well conceived, nor does it resemble anything the parties would agree upon, if left to their own devices...it is always detrimental.

Hopefully, you guys can make a determination in a responsible way that all the interested (ie Alaskan) parties can live with, but before the activists make your mine a trophy...

I sincerely hope someone can remind both sides to work toward a solution...becasue they may not like the political solution that runs over them...and those who do not live in Alaska, who attempt to dominate the argument,...hope they are reminded that they leave pouting or elated, but you get the resultant problems from their extreme views/approaches...good luck!
 
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