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So i wasn't sure where to put this so i thought i'd just stick it here.

I maybe in the minority here and I may get killed for this, but i'm getting really sick and tired of pretty much everytime something from ESPN gets posted here it gets turned into pissing and moaning about how ESPN hates ND instead of what could be good football talk.

I mean everytime it turns into some of the following, so and so said something negative about ND, so and so didn't have anything positive to say, oh i'm so glad so and so stood up for ND, well guys with shows like this there is usually a mediator, a bad guy, a good guy and a neutral guy. When a good majority of the time they are just stating the facts

Do you remember what it was like around here in October? People were down each others throats bitching and moaning about how mediocre ND was and were saying VERY SIMILAR THINGS TO WHAT THE PEOPLE AT ESPN HAVE BEEN AND ARE SAYING. Yet ND goes on a nice little run and all is forgotten and all of a sudden it turns into ND is back and so on and so forth.

Guess what? A good majority of people aren't gonna give ND the reach around after a nice little run that a lot of teams could of had.

All i'm saying is yes i'm excited about this fall and the future of ND football, but the fact remains ND still has a ways to go before it is elite again. So everytime someone says something that in your eyes is negative about ND let it roll off your back.

I'll probably get killed for this, but it's something that has irritated me for quite a bit now. I probably coulda gone on a little bit more, but I got lazy

Sorry if I wasted your time. :alcohol:

That is all :footballh
 
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So i wasn't sure where to put this so i thought i'd just stick it here.

I maybe in the minority here and I may get killed for this, but i'm getting really sick and tired of pretty much everytime something from ESPN gets posted here it gets turned into pissing and moaning about how ESPN hates ND instead of what could be good football talk.

I mean everytime it turns into some of the following, so and so said something negative about ND, so and so didn't have anything positive to say, oh i'm so glad so and so stood up for ND, well guys with shows like this there is usually a mediator, a bad guy, a good guy and a neutral guy. When a good majority of the time they are just stating the facts

Do you remember what it was like around here in October? People were down each others throats bitching and moaning about how mediocre ND was and were saying VERY SIMILAR THINGS TO WHAT THE PEOPLE AT ESPN HAVE BEEN AND ARE SAYING. Yet ND goes on a nice little run and all is forgotten and all of a sudden it turns into ND is back and so on and so forth.

Guess what? A good majority of people aren't gonna give ND the reach around after a nice little run that a lot of teams could of had.

All i'm saying is yes i'm excited about this fall and the future of ND football, but the fact remains ND still has a ways to go before it is elite again. So everytime someone says something that in your eyes is negative about ND let it roll off your back.

I'll probably get killed for this, but it's something that has irritated me for quite a bit now. I probably coulda gone on a little bit more, but I got lazy

Sorry if I wasted your time. :alcohol:

That is all :footballh

I get it totally. But I'm (and I'm sure most of us) tired of hearing "We have a long way to go before we're elite again". I have been hearing that since Lou Holtz left the program and that was what 15-16 years ago??? And guess what? We still have a long way to go before were elite. BOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG! I get what you are saying though, I have heard it a million times a day for the last 15 years.
 
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Got to get the Godfather of Grammar, dshans, back on the job to give Neutered some cover.
 

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Look this is a ND board don't knock us by saying were not elite/ as good as SEC etc..
if you don't want to read don't i come here to look up news and to talk with irish fans.. kninda strange that even on our board we have ppl or fans that seem to have let the best get to them..... the best thing for a ND hater is TO HEAR IRISH FANS BASH THEIR OWN TEAM....

we all have different opinions just give your point of view and move on..
 

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People who drive 40 m.p.h. in a 55 zone for no ****ing reason at all, on a two-lane highly travelled road so you can't pass and you and 50 other cars end up following the inconsiderate son-of-a-bitch all the way across the county at 15 m.p.h. under the speed limit and worse yet the oblivious bastard doesn't even act like he notices that he is leading a whole damned parade of people who actually are trying to get somewhere because they have something better to do other than driving around aimlessly getting in other people's ways. That's something that really bugs me. I'm thinking about building a turret for my potato gun so I can mount it on the roof of my car and give 'em a good thumpin' when I finally get to pass 'em.
 

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The board is talking about it, so its working. Plain and simple. Its easy to talk good about ND, the Yankees, Celtics, etc. But when you don't, it garners interest. Sports Illustrated does it every year with their #1 pick. Its always someone thats absurd, but people buy the mag and talk about it.
 

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Look this is a ND board don't knock us by saying were not elite/ as good as SEC etc..
if you don't want to read don't i come here to look up news and to talk with irish fans.. kninda strange that even on our board we have ppl or fans that seem to have let the best get to them..... the best thing for a ND hater is TO HEAR IRISH FANS BASH THEIR OWN TEAM....

we all have different opinions just give your point of view and move on..

So everyone on this board should be delusional and think that an 8-5 season is elite?
 

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So everyone on this board should be delusional and think that an 8-5 season is elite?

Or we all could be delusional and believe ND doesn't have any elite talent and just sulk. Everyone needs to find a happy median but that will never happy which is the joy of sports talk.
 

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So everyone on this board should be delusional and think that an 8-5 season is elite?

look even with the greatest talent your not going to win every game but to say we are not a elite program is the most disrespectable comment.. i know every yr Holtz predicts the irish to win it all so call me a believer and focused on the goal of winning i quess were both blinded by love for the irish or we have iron wills that will not accept failure..

again it's only my opinion it shouldn't bother a irish fan for another fan to believe ND is the best...
 

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Or we all could be delusional and believe ND doesn't have any elite talent and just sulk. Everyone needs to find a happy median but that will never happy which is the joy of sports talk.

crazy talking about how good ND is other ND fans tell you were not elite we suck for past 4 yrs so thats it... good thing the players that play for us don't here their fans saying that..

how many ELITE teams have more than 5 national titles? i would look at ELITE as a body of work not just a few yrs here and there.
 

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There are two kinds of people in the world. Notre Dame fans, and Notre Dame haters.

Notre Dame fans are either cautiously optimistic, or unrealistically optimistic.

The cautiously optimistic are usually the die hard Lou Holtz fans who want ND to go undefeated and bring in 11 more NC's but they know it takes time, it takes work, and with new coaches, we get excited the first season, only to be let down in the 2nd or 3rd etc.

The unrealistically optimistic fans are the younger ones, the ones who don't remember Lou hauling players off the field by their facemasks, or throwing his headset...or listening to his heartfelt speeches that could motivate anyone to do anything. These fans probably don't remember the 1988 NC game. They probably don't remember 1993 when ND beat FSU to become #1 only to have BC crush our dreams with that stinger of a FG the week later. They probably don't remember ND ALWAYS being in the top 25, or at least the top 10. But they hear the stories, and they want to know what it was like, and to them, every season will be THE season.

ND haters hate ND. With gusto. For no reason. Could be they're jealous their school isn't as awesome, doesn't have as much history, or as much tradition. Maybe they are jealous because ND fans aren't regional, ND fans exist in every state of the US, and they follow their team. Maybe they are pissy because they can't make the grades to get into the school, I don't know. But they hate them and you'll never catch a hater saying anything nice about ND EVER.

However, regardless of what category of FAN you fall into, you're no less valuable to ND. Some choose to tread lightly, and other wanna wear their Irish heart on their sleeve. This is what makes the ND nation great, and gives the haters even more reason to hate. Oh hell, that rhymed. :) Anyway...we all need to get off each other's back about ND and how the season will go. Because we all know ND is headed in the right direction.
 

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crazy talking about how good ND is other ND fans tell you were not elite we suck for past 4 yrs so thats it... good thing the players that play for us don't here their fans saying that..

how many ELITE teams have more than 5 national titles? i would look at ELITE as a body of work not just a few yrs here and there.

So even though we haven't won a national championship 22 years, we're still elite because of what we did in the past? We have an elite past, an elite tradition, and an elite brand name but NOT a currently elite program.
 

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Something else. Signs above a cash register that say "10 items or less" or "20 items or less." That really bugs me, and I'll bet it bugs Neutered and DShans, too. You would think that the geniuses who run these multi-billion dollar corporations (WalMart and Menards are the worst offenders I have found) could hire somebody with at least the minimum grammar skills to know that the signs, for which they must pay a fortune nationwide, should say "10 items or FEWER" or "20 items or FEWER." Any 8th grader should know this. What is even worse is when I go talk to a manager about this in an attempt to start the ball rolling to get this corrected and they act like I'M the idiot, not them and their stupid, blatantly grammatically incorrect signs.

That really bugs me.
 

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Got to get the Godfather of Grammar, dshans, back on the job to give Neutered some cover.

I've got his haunches.

Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, were I to parse and dissect the grammar, spelling and punctuation of each and every post I'd be sleep deprived and starving.

I can be a benevolent dictator. I allow thingz to slide now and then. Their/they're/there are times when knuckle raps are mute/moot. Its/it's a matter of coming to grips with the Typo/Text/Twitter Stylebook.

I do thank Mssrs. Strunk and White for my obsession.
 

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You would think that the geniuses who run these multi-billion dollar corporations (WalMart and Menards are the worst offenders I have found) could hire somebody with at least the minimum grammar skills to know that the signs, for which they must pay a fortune nationwide, should say "10 items or FEWER" or "20 items or FEWER." Any 8th grader should know this. What is even worse is when I go talk to a manager about this in an attempt to start the ball rolling to get this corrected and they act like I'M the idiot, not them and their stupid, blatantly grammatically incorrect signs.

Shyte, Nanker, we might as well be twins in an alternative universe.

I live smack dab in Target Central, Minneapolis.

At the advent of "Express Lines" at Target I was encouraged that they correctly used "fewer" rather than "less." I would even mention it to the cashiers that I appreciated that Tar-J'ai grasped the grammatical difference. They generally nodded in that "Geez, another old fart kook" way.

I think that you can appreciate my disappointment when they caved to the lowest common denominator.
 

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So even though we haven't won a national championship 22 years, we're still elite because of what we did in the past? We have an elite past, an elite tradition, and an elite brand name but NOT a currently elite program.

look only 22 teams have won the national title in the last 22 yrs.. that half of what we have already so yes... body of work makes the elite the elite ant team can get hot, but not as long as we have...
 

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Shyte, Nanker, we might as well be twins in an alternative universe.

I live smack dab in Target Central, Minneapolis.

At the advent of "Express Lines" at Target I was encouraged that they correctly used "fewer" rather than "less." I would even mention it to the cashiers that I appreciated that Tar-J'ai grasped the grammatical difference. They generally nodded in that "Geez, another old fart kook" way.

I think that you can appreciate my disappointment when they caved to the lowest common denominator.

Yeah, don't you just hate that condescending look when you know damn well they are the morons, not you?

By the way, it is an amazing testament to something (I haven't figured out what yet) when, as you correctly state, we could be "twins in an alternative universe" when I gather we are about as far apart on the political spectrum as two people could be. Kind of gives one hope, doesn't it?
 
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A good majority of people aren't gonna give ND the reach around after a nice little run that a lot of teams could of had.

I really like what you had to say, and I like the way this thread started. Sorry I am just starting to feel a tad uncomfortably talking about reach arounds with you, and then dshans talking about, gulp, having Neutered's haunches. It's all just too much! The room is spinning . . .

By the way, it wasn't BC that stopped ND's NC run in '93; it was the Bobby Bowden lifetime achievement committee. Do any of you remember what Bobby said after the same ND team took his Seminoles apart in November?

That is the origin of all the screw ND attitude in the media, and the Florida teams supplanting ND in the elite program category, with the national football consciousness. I mean NC and ’93 is the mother of it all!
 

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I agree with the original post completely.
I was somewhat surprised and very disappointed in the recent ESPN thread, where people called Kirk many bad names and said how terrible ESPN was for hating ND.
That report was DEAD on in everything they say. Kirk is very knowledgeable and one of our biggest allies on ESPN. BUT he is FAIR and reasonable. The report was very fair and balanced to both sides...to the point where I was very pleasantly surprised.
David Polack wasn't on there so there wasn't any real haters, and most had a very sensible thing to say.
Which I could not say for some of the posters on here.
 

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What I am tired of, is others correcting grammar, how anal is that?

But what gets me the most upset is when somebody predicts something great for ND this season, and others not just disagree, but bash them, there are alot of people on this website, I wish werent ND fans, because all they do is insult and play dictators. I will consider ND elite, and not just because of football, but because of the name. ANy one who doesnt consider the Irish elite are morons.
 

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What I am tired of, is others correcting grammar, how anal is that?

But what gets me the most upset is when somebody predicts something great for ND this season, and others not just disagree, but bash them, there are alot of people on this website, I wish werent ND fans, because all they do is insult and play dictators. I will consider ND elite, and not just because of football, but because of the name. ANy one who doesnt consider the Irish elite are morons.

Do you care to identify some of these people you wish weren't ND fans? I like the disagreement and discussion but hate it when people resort to name-calling.
 
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What I am tired of, is others correcting grammar, how anal is that?

But what gets me the most upset is when somebody predicts something great for ND this season, and others not just disagree, but bash them, there are alot of people on this website, I wish werent ND fans, because all they do is insult and play dictators. I will consider ND elite, and not just because of football, but because of the name. ANy one who doesnt consider the Irish elite are morons.

That is very anal of you to think that way.

a lot

weren't

Any

doesn't

I can't help it. It is one of my jobs. Good thing is, on many tests, we are told to grade "holistically." Shall I define that for you, or can you google it?
 
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The fact remains that we do have a long way to go, and its debatable if we can ever get back to an elite team. The espn special on Notre Dame was very true to the team. Its one thing to be positive about the direction its another to be unrealistic. And for years I have seen many unrealistic fans.
 
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