Why the SEC is hopeless and will never be cleaned up

[IrishLax]

Culture of "The South:" ESPN investigation finds gambling in South Florida youth football league - ESPN

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Wow.. What a horrible atmosphere to live in. Those cops need to find their balls and clean that crap up.

 

[GreatGolson]

Wow.. What a horrible atmosphere to live in. Those cops need to find their balls and clean that crap up.

NO! That would be "racist" and "excessive" the NAACP would be there within hours

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

WTF.... and that is why our country is in bad shape...we take a innocent sport for kids and turn it into a dirty beating game. This pi$ses me off....

 

[GreatGolson]

i would like to say for any who want to use this as a race thing, this happens in white leagues too. the betting is just done behind closed doors. Being from indiana, i see it going on with basketball all the time

 

[IrishLax]

i would like to say for any who want to use this as a race thing, this happens in white leagues too. the betting is just done behind closed doors. Being from indiana, i see it going on with basketball all the time

I don't think it's a race thing at all... it's a culture thing. I can't speak for Indiana, but the bottom line is that in the south a lot of things are commonplace that people in other regions would scoff at. See: Michael Vick and dog fighting.

I have never seen someone gamble on youth league football... but when you realize that this is all going on from the time they are 8 to 18... no wonder kids choose the football factory that gives them the most money.

 

[timm3117]

I don't think it's a race thing at all... it's a culture thing. I can't speak for Indiana, but the bottom line is that in the south a lot of things are commonplace that people in other regions would scoff at. See: Michael Vick and dog fighting.

I have never seen someone gamble on youth league football... but when you realize that this is all going on from the time they are 8 to 18... no wonder kids choose the football factory that gives them the most money.

This is a culture thing, but it has nothing to do with the south! I've worked in about every backwoods town in Ga, Alabama, and South Carolina, and neither dog fighting nor gambling on youth football are excepted. Dog fighting has long been a problem in the black community all across America, some of the biggest rings busted have been in NYC, Boston , and LA. Please don't lay some thugs betting on pee wee football on "Southern" tradition because its not true.

A quick second point, what the hell does this story have to do with the SEC. There are players from Florida on almost every roster in the country. I believe Our roster will have 10 or 11 Florida players on it for the 2011 season. This is a football problem, not an SEC problem. The SEC does enough to hurt their own, without having to be tied to stories like this.

 

[IrishLax]

This is a culture thing, but it has nothing to do with the south! I've worked in about every backwoods town in Ga, Alabama, and South Carolina, and neither dog fighting nor gambling on youth football are excepted. Dog fighting has long been a problem in the black community all across America, some of the biggest rings busted have been in NYC, Boston , and LA. Please don't lay some thugs betting on pee wee football on "Southern" tradition because its not true.

A quick second point, what the hell does this story have to do with the SEC. There are players from Florida on almost every roster in the country. I believe Our roster will have 10 or 11 Florida players on it for the 2011 season. This is a football problem, not an SEC problem. The SEC does enough to hurt their own, without having to be tied to stories like this.

1. You're right, dog fighting is everywhere. Didn't communicate that well and chose a poor example for what I was going for. And it really has nothing to do with this so let's just ignore that.

2. This has everything to do with "SEC" culture and I don't know how you don't see that. We can rename "SEC" to "SEC minus Vanderbilt plus some other schools in other regions that are football factories and constantly committing violations." The vast majority of those schools that fit into that group are in the southern part of the US that is regularly called "SEC country."

The point is, quite simply, that if you have kids growing up playing ball and getting paid from the time they are 8 to when they sign their LOI it explains exactly why you will never truly clean up the way things are done. It's too woven into their culture and is viewed as the norm of how things should go.

You've haven't personally seen it in the south? Cool. But I have an article detailing rampant gambling/paying players in youth football in Florida... which produces more football talent for SEC/ACC teams than any other state. That is a fact.

 

[jmurphy75]

I grew up down there and played 90 and 115 pound ball in that league. There would be people at our practices scouting our games and practices from other teams, and they were not coaches. They were guys that bet on the games that wanted to see how we would stack up against teams in upcoming games so they would know which way to bet. Everyone knows who they are and what they re doing.

 

[timm3117]

1. You're right, dog fighting is everywhere. Didn't communicate that well and chose a poor example for what I was going for. And it really has nothing to do with this so let's just ignore that.

2. This has everything to do with "SEC" culture and I don't know how you don't see that. We can rename "SEC" to "SEC minus Vanderbilt plus some other schools in other regions that are football factories and constantly committing violations." The vast majority of those schools that fit into that group are in the southern part of the US that is regularly called "SEC country."

No it really doesn't. It has to do with the football culture in America. You act as if only SEC schools are committing violations. Ohio St, Texas Tech, Clemson, USC, Oregon, just to name a few off the top of my head. The problem is throughout college football, and always has been.

You are also making it sound like this gambling is a wide spread problem throughout Fla and the south, which there is no evidence pointing to. From what I've heard and read it seems to be isolated to a small area around Fort Lauderdale.

So if the SEC is a is guilty just because they recruit kids from S FLA, does that make us guilty too. I mean we just recruited 2 guys from Miami and Cape Coral. Wouldn't they be apart of this Culture?

 

[IrishLax]

No it really doesn't. It has to do with the football culture in America. You act as if only SEC schools are committing violations. Ohio St, Texas Tech, Clemson, USC, Oregon, just to name a few off the top of my head. The problem is throughout college football, and always has been.

You are also making it sound like this gambling is a wide spread problem throughout Fla and the south, which there is no evidence pointing to. From what I've heard and read it seems to be isolated to a small area around Fort Lauderdale.

So if the SEC is a is guilty just because they recruit kids from S FLA, does that make us guilty too. I mean we just recruited 2 guys from Miami and Cape Coral. Wouldn't they be apart of this Culture?

Well your first statement is just wrong. On a percentage basis the SEC/ACC/Southwest Conference are routinely viewed as far more corrupt than the Big Ten, Big East, Pac 10, etc. If we can't agree on that there is no point going on... every conference has a couple bad apples but there are more in the bushel in the SEC/ACC. There's a reason why the Pac 10 did nothing to support USC but the SEC commish did nothing with the info that Scam Newton's father was shopping him.

To the part I bolded... you're still totally missing the point. It's not about proving the "SEC guilty" of anything... everyone already knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that players get paid in SEC as well as other places. HBO just did a whole special on it... so I don't know what straw man you're going for here... but it doesn't compute. It's also not about all of the kids being bad kids, or all of the parents being bad parents or it being widespread. Just because a kid is from Florida doesn't mean he has a bad family or grew up around all this stuff or expects money.... I never said that.

The point is that these undesirable elements are ingrained in parts of society... even at the most amateur level possible... and because of that you will never be able to change the way the Auburns, Alabamas, Ohio States, etc. operate behind the scenes. Why call out the SEC specifically? Because the majority of the bad apples in college football reside in the SEC/ACC and are located in the south. And this article is on a location in the south. How does that not make sense?

If this article was in Columbus, OH the thread would have had a different title.

 

[TexasNDFan]

It can be cleaned, I just don't think that the NCAA has the stones to do what is needed. The fact of the matter is that being on probation is nothing to the SEC teams and all well worth it if they can win national championships. College football has long become a business and the only thing that will change it, is if they start losing money and I think the death penalty
would do the trick. There is nothing more that the rapid SEC fans like more than winning, than to actually cheer on their teams on and filling up those 90,000 plus seat stadiums. Take that away and those guys will actually think twice, especially when it comes down the money handshakes by the alumni. Can you imagine how the rest of the fan base would treat you if you were responsible for the downfall of the team. Think Bartman multiplied by a factor of ten.

 

[timm3117]

Well your first statement is just wrong. On a percentage basis the SEC/ACC/Southwest Conference are routinely viewed as far more corrupt than the Big Ten, Big East, Pac 10, etc. If we can't agree on that there is no point going on... every conference has a couple bad apples but there are more in the bushel in the SEC/ACC. There's a reason why the Pac 10 did nothing to support USC but the SEC commish did nothing with the info that Scam Newton's father was shopping him.

To the part I bolded... you're still totally missing the point. It's not about proving the "SEC guilty" of anything... everyone already knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that players get paid in SEC as well as other places. HBO just did a whole special on it... so I don't know what straw man you're going for here... but it doesn't compute. It's also not about all of the kids being bad kids, or all of the parents being bad parents or it being widespread. Just because a kid is from Florida doesn't mean he has a bad family or grew up around all this stuff or expects money.... I never said that.

The point is that these undesirable elements are ingrained in parts of society... even at the most amateur level possible... and because of that you will never be able to change the way the Auburns, Alabamas, Ohio States, etc. operate behind the scenes. Why call out the SEC specifically? Because the majority of the bad apples in college football reside in the SEC/ACC and are located in the south. And this article is on a location in the south. How does that not make sense?

If this article was in Columbus, OH the thread would have had a different title.

I'm not going to argue. You are very entitled to your opinion, but I will stay one last thing before I tap out. The corruption going on in college football has nothing to do with this story and more to do with college football selling its soul. When our pastime became big business, it invited this to happen. Anytime you throw around millions and billions of dollars, you know there will be corruption. There will be people willing to do anything for their peice of the pie and this is exactly what is happening in college football.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not going to argue. You are very entitled to your opinion, but I will stay one last thing before I tap out. The corruption going on in college football has nothing to do with this story and more to do with college football selling its soul. When our pastime became big business, it invited this to happen. Anytime you throw around millions and billions of dollars, you know there will be corruption. There will be people willing to do anything for their peice of the pie and this is exactly what is happening in college football.

Fair enough.

 

[irishtrain]

Culture is the key word here. Like many of us have said the conferences that use this type of player from this type of enviroment promotes a culture of this type of end. And it will not end well.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

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