article: osu president says tcu and boises not worthy

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Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee: TCU, Boise State not worthy of BCS title shot - ESPN

 

[Ben E.]

Yea because playing the eastern michigan and marshalls of the world make you a battle hardened elite team! eff Posu!

 

[irishnd31]

Yea because playing the eastern michigan and marshalls of the world make you a battle hardened elite team! eff Posu!

THANK YOU!!!! You took the words right out of my mouth. F all that is OSU.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Yea because playing the eastern michigan and marshalls of the world make you a battle hardened elite team! eff Posu!

At least they did play Miami. Schools like Florida go out of conference to play schools like the Art Institute of Walla Walla Bing Bang. I'm not really defending them because lord knows I don't care for a buckeye.

"We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor. We play very fine schools on any given day."

--Funny stuff here.

 

[phork]

Don't forget the Youngstown St.s of the world either. BSU would beat anyone on a neutral site game and I would bet my house on it.

 

[TerryTate]

Boise did puss out of a Nebraska game.

 

[Rocket89]

What a tool this guy is.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Boise did puss out of a Nebraska game.

Two years ago, if you could pick two out of 3 teams to play, would Nebraska really have stood out compared to Vtech and Oregon State?

 

[DillonHall]

Sorry guys, but I agree with him. They don't deserve to win a national championship if they don't play better talent.

 

[Ben E.]

Sorry guys, but I agree with him. They don't deserve to win a national championship if they don't play better talent.

look and compare schedules, posu plays some more "names" but the reality is purdue,illinois, and minni arent any better than the fresno states and nevadas of their conferance! their schedule is the opposite of posu's, boise tries to schedule their tuff games early to overcome some of the powder puffs late in the schedule and posu schedules mostly cupcakes early because they play powerhouses like iowa and meatchicken(lol) at the end of the year. people need to stop buying into the big 10 myth, they are a glorified ACC...

 

[IrishinSyria]

posu plays some more "names" but the reality is purdue,illinois, and minni arent any better than the fresno states and nevadas of their conferance!

Now, I think the Big 10 is stronger this year than you give it credit for. I also think Nevada doesn't compare to Purdue or Minnesota; Nevada would kill Purdue or Minnesota. But you're right, when people talk about Boise's weak schedule, they're talking about names, not actual quality. Fresno St. man-handled Cincinnati, yet they're considered a second rate team. Hawaii lit up USC's defense and couldn't do anything against Boise. Nevada crushed Cal, yet some people don't consider them a "big name". And had Vtech not taken the risk of opening their season against Boise, they could very well be a top 3 team right now. Boise would win the ACC, Big 12 or the Big East easily, and would have a good shot at any other BCS conference in the country. Yet, people with D-1AA schools on their schedule say Boise's schedule isn't strong enough. What a joke.

 

[IrishAddiction]

Boise did puss out of a Nebraska game.

Just like Ohio State pussed out on the opportunity to play Boise State. And Texas. And Florida. Honestly, the Boise AD has made the statement we will play and beat any opponent on their home field.... he has gotten nothing. I say give them a shot at the NC. Ohio State lost... they shouldnt have, now they shouldnt get a NC shot. These POWER CONFERENCES... that are completely full of ****, and they dont want to take Boise State on.

The only reason MSU accepted is b/c they need the game to make it to the NC. Texas, OSU, FL can all ride easy non-conference opponents to the NC, even if their conference is in a down year. Dont lose, win a national championship. Or lose one with a big enough name, you got a great chance. We have to quit rewarding teams for making early season mistakes... instead of late ones were some legit schools lose out on a chance (Ill say it, even though i hate them, USC in 2006 should have been in with one loss and would have won.) All this while Boise State has to sadly run up the score, and if they dont win by 50, they suddenly dont deserve a shot. Come on people.

Ohio State is just pleading its own case, I cant blame them for that. But it doesnt mean that I have to believe their BS. Let Boise in, see what they can do. They deserve a shot. I guarantee everyone watches it... and for the most part, they will root for Boise.

 

[IrishinSyria]

There's absolutely no way Ohio State deserves that game after the way they got trucked by Wisconsin. Name a big win for them. They didn't play Sparty, and Miami and Iowa were both overrated.

 

[nlroma1o]

Now, I think the Big 10 is stronger this year than you give it credit for. I also think Nevada doesn't compare to Purdue or Minnesota; Nevada would kill Purdue or Minnesota. But you're right, when people talk about Boise's weak schedule, they're talking about names, not actual quality. Fresno St. man-handled Cincinnati, yet they're considered a second rate team. Hawaii lit up USC's defense and couldn't do anything against Boise. Nevada crushed Cal, yet some people don't consider them a "big name". And had Vtech not taken the risk of opening their season against Boise, they could very well be a top 3 team right now. Boise would win the ACC, Big 12 or the Big East easily, and would have a good shot at any other BCS conference in the country. Yet, people with D-1AA schools on their schedule say Boise's schedule isn't strong enough. What a joke.

Brillant!

 

[nlroma1o]

Just like Ohio State pussed out on the opportunity to play Boise State. And Texas. And Florida. Honestly, the Boise AD has made the statement we will play and beat any opponent on their home field.... he has gotten nothing. I say give them a shot at the NC. Ohio State lost... they shouldnt have, now they shouldnt get a NC shot. These POWER CONFERENCES... that are completely full of ****, and they dont want to take Boise State on.

The only reason MSU accepted is b/c they need the game to make it to the NC. Texas, OSU, FL can all ride easy non-conference opponents to the NC, even if their conference is in a down year. Dont lose, win a national championship. Or lose one with a big enough name, you got a great chance. We have to quit rewarding teams for making early season mistakes... instead of late ones were some legit schools lose out on a chance (Ill say it, even though i hate them, USC in 2006 should have been in with one loss and would have won.) All this while Boise State has to sadly run up the score, and if they dont win by 50, they suddenly dont deserve a shot. Come on people.

Ohio State is just pleading its own case, I cant blame them for that. But it doesnt mean that I have to believe their BS. Let Boise in, see what they can do. They deserve a shot. I guarantee everyone watches it... and for the most part, they will root for Boise.

Took the words out of my mouth. You couldn't have said it any better

 

[nlroma1o]

osu and their fans are fricken delusional! more so than us!

 

[Stoic]

Just like Ohio State pussed out on the opportunity to play Boise State. And Texas. And Florida. Honestly, the Boise AD has made the statement we will play and beat any opponent on their home field.... he has gotten nothing. I say give them a shot at the NC. Ohio State lost... they shouldnt have, now they shouldnt get a NC shot. These POWER CONFERENCES... that are completely full of ****, and they dont want to take Boise State on.

The only reason MSU accepted is b/c they need the game to make it to the NC. Texas, OSU, FL can all ride easy non-conference opponents to the NC, even if their conference is in a down year. Dont lose, win a national championship. Or lose one with a big enough name, you got a great chance. We have to quit rewarding teams for making early season mistakes... instead of late ones were some legit schools lose out on a chance (Ill say it, even though i hate them, USC in 2006 should have been in with one loss and would have won.) All this while Boise State has to sadly run up the score, and if they dont win by 50, they suddenly dont deserve a shot. Come on people.

Ohio State is just pleading its own case, I cant blame them for that. But it doesnt mean that I have to believe their BS. Let Boise in, see what they can do. They deserve a shot. I guarantee everyone watches it... and for the most part, they will root for Boise.

Yea for a price that no program is going to pay when they can pay Fresno St., Hawaii ect.. for half of what Boise wants..

Boise State wanted $1 million to play Nebraska? - CBSSports.com

 

[IrishinSyria]

Yea for a price that no program is going to pay when they can pay Fresno St., Hawaii ect.. for half of what Boise wants..

Boise State wanted $1 million to play Nebraska? - CBSSports.com

Right now Boise is a much bigger draw for TV ratings than Nebraska is. When they play, America tunes in. Like I said before, when that game was being negotiated, nobody knew Nebraska was going to be a top tier team (and given the quality of the big 12 this year, I'm still not sure). Virginia Tech clearly thought that it was worth whatever Boise wanted to play them.

If you're the AD at Boise you have to know that you're sitting on a golden egg right now. Your football program has captured the nation's interest, you have to capitalize on that financially while it lasts. So should Boise be asking for more money than Fresno is? Hell yea.

Regardless, the players, and not the AD, are the ones that matter, and they have been perfect. Yes, they're conference is weaker than some of the BCS conferences. But it's not like they've played close games against those weak teams. They've demoralized them, made them look like high school football players. They've beaten a top 10 this year (and don't use the, Boise only has one game to get up for a year excuse, VTech had the exact same amount of time to get ready for that game, in their own backyard.) Boise versus Nevada is a huge game. It would be a huge game in any conference in the country, as both teams could play ball with the best this year. If Boise wins it, I don't see how you can say that they don't deserve a chance at the title.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Right now Boise is a much bigger draw for TV ratings than Nebraska is. When they play, America tunes in. Like I said before, when that game was being negotiated, nobody knew Nebraska was going to be a top tier team (and given the quality of the big 12 this year, I'm still not sure). Virginia Tech clearly thought that it was worth whatever Boise wanted to play them.

If you're the AD at Boise you have to know that you're sitting on a golden egg right now. Your football program has captured the nation's interest, you have to capitalize on that financially while it lasts. So should Boise be asking for more money than Fresno is? Hell yea.

Regardless, the players, and not the AD, are the ones that matter, and they have been perfect. Yes, they're conference is weaker than some of the BCS conferences. But it's not like they've played close games against those weak teams. They've demoralized them, made them look like high school football players. They've beaten a top 10 this year (and don't use the, Boise only has one game to get up for a year excuse, VTech had the exact same amount of time to get ready for that game, in their own backyard.) Boise versus Nevada is a huge game. It would be a huge game in any conference in the country, as both teams could play ball with the best this year. If Boise wins it, I don't see how you can say that they don't deserve a chance at the title.

I agree with you. Boise State is a very talented football team and they are well coached. This team has been consistently good for years now and it's time they are given an opportunity for a NC. I truly believe that Bosie State could beat anyone in FBS right now.

 

[phork]

Yea for a price that no program is going to pay when they can pay Fresno St., Hawaii ect.. for half of what Boise wants..

Boise State wanted $1 million to play Nebraska? - CBSSports.com

I don't find that ridiculous at all considering the FresnoSts et al get about $700-$800K. BSU is a top team. I would still bet my house that BSU would beat anyone in the championship game.

 

[irishff1014]

My really question is what major divison would take Bosie State? Who wants to take a team in that has won what it's last 25 games in a row and has been ranked the last 4 years inside the top 20? Not i yes it would make the conference look better but it would be a really competitive team team tht might take might chance of winning the divison away. Because if they go to a big conference they just might get even better players to go along with their good ones they already have.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Apparently, after the Boise deal fell through Nebraska payed Idaho $800 for the game. I think it's fair to assume Boise would have been worth 25% more.

 

[WaveDomer]

Boise State is arguably the best team in the country right now and they are getting better each week. Just like Pat Hill said, they have never been dominated in his career like BSU did to them last week. If they make it to the NC, they win it. I would take that team and time for Petersen to prep any day of the week.

BSU has built their program so quickly, to such a great extent, that I wouldn't question how they do it at this point. That's in regards to the Nebraska game.

All that being said, if Oregon and Auburn win out, they should play in the NC. Even though I think Boise would take either team. They are that good. And Petersen is that good and a quality individual to boot.

 

[PapaIrish37]

Nice bowtie Dr. Gee. This is a farce - as farcical as the bowtie. That and a vest must get you an automatic BCS bid. The only good thing about this - statements like this from Ivory Tower idiots like Dr. Gee will get Congress or someone else involved (which is a bad idea) and lead to a playoff (which is a good idea IMHO).

 

[DillonHall]

look and compare schedules, posu plays some more "names" but the reality is purdue,illinois, and minni arent any better than the fresno states and nevadas of their conferance! their schedule is the opposite of posu's, boise tries to schedule their tuff games early to overcome some of the powder puffs late in the schedule and posu schedules mostly cupcakes early because they play powerhouses like iowa and meatchicken(lol) at the end of the year. people need to stop buying into the big 10 myth, they are a glorified ACC...

I think this is a poor argument because you named the weakest Big Ten teams and compared them to the strongest WAC teams. You conveniently forgot about WAC teams Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State, not to mention the best Big Ten teams.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

BSU's response so far:
Boise State's Bob Kustra says Ohio State president's comments 'wrong ... ridiculous' | Voices.IdahoStatesman.com

TCU's response so far:
TCU athletic director Chris Del Conte said this on ESPN Radio: "When a president of a major institution is taking shots at us, I know we've arrived... I thank him very much."

 

[IrishinSyria]

I think this is a poor argument because you named the weakest Big Ten teams and compared them to the strongest WAC teams. You conveniently forgot about WAC teams Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State, not to mention the best Big Ten teams.

Who are the strong Big Ten teams this year?

Michigan St, Ohio St, and Wisconsin.

Who has each of them beat? Ohio St beat a severely over-rated Miami team, got handled by Wisconsin and didn't play Michigan St. this year. Wisconsin hasn't played anybody out of conference and neither has Michigan St. (and no, we don't count this year.)

So out of those 3 combined "top" Big Ten teams you have 0 wins against ranked teams outside of the Big Ten. Nevada, Boise, Hawaii and Fresno have all gone out of their conference and won or, in Hawaii' s case, played competitively. So regardless of who you think should be playing for the NC this year (and if Oregon and Auburn win out you won't hear any complaints from me) it is enormously hypocritical of Ohio State's president to talk about not playing a hard schedule.

*edit: Can anybody think of one Pac-10, SEC, or Big-10 team that has gone out of conference and beaten a ranked team this year? I can't.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

It is so easy to make an arguement when you want to base it on ideology, "common wisdom", and ignore any sort of facts. Coming from a guy who is stuck in the '60s and tried to kill Vanderbilt sports - he is very credible.

While there are different ways to rate it, here are the SOS #s based on CBS Sportsline (sorry if you don't like those, but they are easy for me to find.)

Oregon #74
Auburn #6
Boise State #63
TCU #53
Wisconsin #60
Ohio State #48

The 48th most difficult schedule is so much more impressive than the 53rd. And Boise's SOS will jump multiple spots after this weeks game against Nevada. And a game against Michigan isn't that impressive right now.

Why aren't people railing against Oregon? They have had an easier schedule than either BSU or TCU. Oh, it's because Boise played San Jose State . . . but didn't those Spartans also play Alabama and Wisconsin. Where is the outrage that Bama and Wisconsin schedule teams like SJSU?

All the schedule bashers need to do some research.
And this is a fun arguement to make because currently ND's cupcake schedule is rated #4, and could possible jumpt to #2 after SC if things go a certain way

 

[Bogtrotter07]

What a tool this guy is.

What Guy?

 

[Ben E.]

I think this is a poor argument because you named the weakest Big Ten teams and compared them to the strongest WAC teams. You conveniently forgot about WAC teams Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State, not to mention the best Big Ten teams.

haha go back and read where i mention eastern michigan and marshall as well as compare how the scheduling is reversed. their is no doubt that bsu's conferance is weaker top to bottom but its not as far off as you kool aide drinkers believe it is.