2012 Scout Player Rankings

[NDPhilly]

Scout.com: Football Recruiting

Here is link to scout to see first complete rankings of 2012.

Notables:

Gray Crow unranked
Gunner Kiel ****
Maty Mauk ***
Zeke Pike ****
Barry Sanders Jr ****
Tommy Schutt ****
Dorial Green-Beckham *****

 

[CanadianIrish]

Scout.com: Football Recruiting

Here is link to scout to see first complete rankings of 2012.

Notables:

Gray Crow unranked
Gunner Kiel ****
Maty Mauk ***
Zeke Pike ****
Barry Sanders Jr ****
Tommy Schutt ****
Dorial Green-Beckham *****

Ouch! So much for our banner crop of QBs next year, unfortunate to see that the scouts are not high on Crow or Mauk.

However, there are some promising signs. Tommy Schutt is a four star prospect at DT, there have some 4 star lineman interested in us, Gunner Kiel looks like a high end QB, there are a couple 4 star DEs with interest, 3 four star safeties etc.

 

[KPENN]

I find it hilarious that people who raved about mauk's footage probably will come in here and see 3*'s by his name and will get turned off. Lol.

 

[Zibby32]

Here we go with the star gazing again....some things never get old with ND fans

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If Mauk had one star I would want him....

I don't care about stars lol.

 

[TerryTate]

Do I need to go and find everyone's comments about Mauk and post them in here?

It's not the flavor of the week BS.

Kid has talent. Likes ND. Scout can't evaluate talent either.

 

[military_irish]

I'm not one that is prone to believing in the star system. They are bias and it's done by humans which means their will always be a flaw.

But in general 5* kids have better potential than a 3* kid.

But then again the 3* kid may be under the wrong coaching in highschool and just needs real training.

But 5*'s are based solely off of pure talent, so their potential is the sky, but 3* or so has just the same potential but may need work due to the wrong coaching.

So in my opinion stars don't matter but 5*'s are that way for reason. MOST of the time, not all

 

[GreatGolson]

Im glad Mauk is only 3. hopefully it will put other schools off so we can have him

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I'm sure our coaching staff are better judges if football talent than anyone at any of the recruiting sites.

 

[Zibby32]

Im glad Mauk is only 3. hopefully it will put other schools off so we can have him

Is this a serious statement....

Im sorry but you have completely lost your mind if you think that BKells, NSabs, or JTress take stalk in ANYTHING these recruiting sites have to say. Coaches evaluate players and offer scholarships...."Oh LaLa Ishaq gained a 5th star, lets recruit him extra hard this week!"

 

[DomerBoy]

Im glad Mauk is only 3. hopefully it will put other schools off so we can have him

because talent evaluators and recruiters for universities really get their info off of scout.com.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

Barry JR. 4 stars that kids highlights make me cry they are so good .

 

[CanadianIrish]

Highlights don't mean the world, anyone can put together a decent highlight tape, the question is what you do on a regular basis.

 

[Zibby32]

players are not graded on highlight films....coaches want nothing to do with highlights.

Coaches evaluate film on a player on a game by game basis. Kids always want to send their highlight films. We ask for game film against rival/difficult opponents. Sure you broke a 70 yard run against a bad opponent, but what did you do the other 60 snaps?

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

players are not graded on highlight films....coaches want nothing to do with highlights.

Coaches evaluate film on a player on a game by game basis. Kids always want to send their highlight films. We ask for game film against rival/difficult opponents. Sure you broke a 70 yard run against a bad opponent, but what did you do the other 60 snaps?

you are right my man. A highlight reel does not show the FULL picture and you have alot of other things to look at when evaluating a player. I also think some of the recruiting sites "star" ratings are not that credible. The bottom line is you find kids with talent that can fit into your system and can make your football team better. Whether it is a 3 star, 4 star..., who really cares. The question should be...., can this kid make our football team better?

 

[CanadianIrish]

you are right my man. A highlight reel does not show the FULL picture and you have alot of other things to look at when evaluating a player. I also think some of the recruiting sites "star" ratings are not that credible. The bottom line is you find kids with talent that can fit into your system and can make your football team better. Whether it is a 3 star, 4 star..., who really cares. The question should be...., can this kid make our football team better?

Absolutely - and we haven't seen these kids in person. We have seen highlight films, scout, rivals and our coaches have seen the real thing, so let's not explode on the recruiting rankings because of what we've seen in highlight films.

As to "the coaches know better than the recruiting services", maybe they do - but do you have a clue what the coaches are thinking about 2012 recruits right now? They can't comment on 2011 recruits let alone 2012 recruits. I'm at a loss as to how that somehow invalidates the recruiting rankings as opposed to the forum's member's views on highlight footage we have seen of 16 year old kids.

 

[Zibby32]

Coaches know EXACTLY who the 2012 recruits are and even the 2013 and 2014 prospects. It has to do with building relationships with high school coaches. Something Charlie Weis struggled with in the midwest.

On top of that they are constantly receiving film from sophs and juniors...as well as attending games. You think just because they are going to see a player who might be a senior, they arent looking at the star DB who is a fresh? constantly evaluating...

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Absolutely - and we haven't seen these kids in person. We have seen highlight films, scout, rivals and our coaches have seen the real thing, so let's not explode on the recruiting rankings because of what we've seen in highlight films.

As to "the coaches know better than the recruiting services", maybe they do - but do you have a clue what the coaches are thinking about 2012 recruits right now? They can't comment on 2011 recruits let alone 2012 recruits. I'm at a loss as to how that somehow invalidates the recruiting rankings as opposed to the forum's member's views on highlight footage we have seen of 16 year old kids.

I don't think anyone really knows what the coaches are thinking in regards to specific recruits. As far as recruiting rankings are concerned, I believe they differ quite a bit from one site to another in regards to different players. I'm no recruiting expert by any means but personally I don't worry too much about the star ratings because alot of times it's the lower ranked kids that end up performing well in the end. Solid coaching and player development are what makes kids succeed at the college level. BK has a history of really developing some of these lower tiered guys and making his programs successful. The coaching staff knows the types of players it needs to make their systems work whether it is a 5 star or 2 star. These guys are much better at evaluating players than most of us fans that are looking from the outside in.

 

[CanadianIrish]

Sure, but we hand out about 20 scholarships a year, and I seriously doubt that the coaches are envisioning every one of those as starters - they know they are getting some depth people every year. So just because a kid has been offered doesn't mean he's the future.

People were making wild predictions for months about the 2012 recruits at QB. Scout disagrees with those predictions, and we don't know what the staff thinks. If we were to guess, I could potentially make an argument that they aren't that high on them given what's happening with Brissett and Golson despite the fact that we have 3 freshmen at QB right now.

Not trying to be controversial, just pointing out that the recruiting rankings differ from what the board's anticipation had been, and that we can't simply say "rankings are wrong" and ignore them.

 

[Zibby32]

People were making wild predictions for months about the 2012 recruits at QB. Scout disagrees with those predictions, and we don't know what the staff thinks. If we did know, I could potentially make an argument that they aren't that high on them given what's happening with Brissett and Golson despite the fact that we have 3 freshmen at QB right now.

My feelings from the beginning, they need to grab the talent that is available to them....I can remember all the wonderful QB prospects in 2011 that we were supposed to grab!

Not trying to be controversial, just pointing out that the recruiting rankings differ from what the board's anticipation had been, and that we can't simply say "rankings are wrong" and ignore them.

Your not controversial, if reality reflected the boards anticipation...Our recruiting class would consist of the top 25 5 * players. Unfortunately, some fans do not have a firm grasp on reality.

 

[CanadianIrish]

Your not controversial, if reality reflected the boards anticipation...Our recruiting class would consist of the top 25 5 * players. Unfortunately, some fans do not have a firm grasp on reality.

Sad, but very true.

 

[irish4ever]

Here we go with the star gazing again....some things never get old with ND fans

How true, how true!

 

[IrishInFl]

Absolutely - and we haven't seen these kids in person. We have seen highlight films, scout, rivals and our coaches have seen the real thing, so let's not explode on the recruiting rankings because of what we've seen in highlight films.

As to "the coaches know better than the recruiting services", maybe they do - but do you have a clue what the coaches are thinking about 2012 recruits right now? They can't comment on 2011 recruits let alone 2012 recruits. I'm at a loss as to how that somehow invalidates the recruiting rankings as opposed to the forum's member's views on highlight footage we have seen of 16 year old kids.

Yep, and when I went to the STA vs Byrnes S.C. game last year to scout with the flavarsity.com and warchant.com crew, we noticed certain things about recruits. For example, Byrnes just simply wouldn't pass it towards Joyner's side, and the other guy who's name I forgot, was total garbage. He looked like an ND lock until we started losing and he committed to UF. He was a 4* prospect who I wouldn't even recruit to my UMD Bulldogs.

 

[CanadianIrish]

Yep, and when I went to the STA vs Byrnes S.C. game last year to scout with the flavarsity.com and warchant.com crew, we noticed certain things about recruits. For example, Byrnes just simply wouldn't pass it towards Joyner's side, and the other guy who's name I forgot, was total garbage. He looked like an ND lock until we started losing and he committed to UF. He was a 4* prospect who I wouldn't even recruit to my UMD Bulldogs.

I think you are talking about Cody Riggs, he was Florida's only recruit from STA last year. I bet he had an awesome highlight tape full of crazy plays. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about - the recruiting services have way more information than we do, and we have no idea what the coaches are thinking when they make an offer.

 

[amgarvey]

I think there've been a few good points made on this board. While some recruiting services may not be as reliable as others I certainly can't pretend to have anywhere near the knowledge base or resources these guys have. However I'm shocked that Mauk had only been granted three stars. None the less I still hold out a great deal of hope he comes to ND and believe he will flourish. I will say I never did see anything in Crow.

 

[delt1147]

I have said Mauk is over rated since day one. It is the system he plays in and the poor competition. Either way i hope I am wrong and he ends up being great for nd.

 

[IrishLax]

I have said Mauk is over rated since day one. It is the system he plays in and the poor competition. Either way i hope I am wrong and he ends up being great for nd.

But his name is SO COOL!

 

[MoreTeo]

Enough of Mauk. I want just one player from 2012. Dorial Green Beckham WR.
If you don't know who he is then you don't follow recruiting. I didn't see a 2012 profile on him on here. I should put one up since he is the 2012 #1 recruit now and will finish #1 and notre dame is in good position to get him. This is how good he is, " He is the high school version of Randy Moss..... He is the best player I have seen since Randy Moss was in High School in West Virginia." Tom Lemming. Somebody write a profile on him or I will. Mauk.....come on....He isnt even a true QB, more like a run 1st, 2nd, and pass 3rd QB. Green would make Rees look like an all american. Tell me you have heard of this kid!

 

[Rack Em]

Enough of Mauk. I want just one player from 2012. Dorial Green Beckham WR.
If you don't know who he is then you don't follow recruiting. I didn't see a 2012 profile on him on here. I should put one up since he is the 2012 #1 recruit now and will finish #1 and notre dame is in good position to get him. This is how good he is, " He is the high school version of Randy Moss..... He is the best player I have seen since Randy Moss was in High School in West Virginia." Tom Lemming. Somebody write a profile on him or I will. Mauk.....come on....He isnt even a true QB, more like a run 1st, 2nd, and pass 3rd QB. Green would make Rees look like an all american. Tell me you have heard of this kid!

Calm down my man. We've got our **** under control here. Of course he has a profile. Check the 2012 recruiting profiles.

And I think you're underestimating Mauk. Given the right system he could be very successful in the college ranks. Plus we're not running a pro style offense anymore. Mobile quarterbacks are going to be the norm in South Bend for awhile.

 

[TerryTate]

Enough of Mauk. I want just one player from 2012. Dorial Green Beckham WR.
If you don't know who he is then you don't follow recruiting. I didn't see a 2012 profile on him on here. I should put one up since he is the 2012 #1 recruit now and will finish #1 and notre dame is in good position to get him. This is how good he is, " He is the high school version of Randy Moss..... He is the best player I have seen since Randy Moss was in High School in West Virginia." Tom Lemming. Somebody write a profile on him or I will. Mauk.....come on....He isnt even a true QB, more like a run 1st, 2nd, and pass 3rd QB. Green would make Rees look like an all american. Tell me you have heard of this kid!

Look harder

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/2012-recruiting-profiles/54177-12-mo-wr-dorial-green-beckham-offer.html

Also, don't know what you're talking about for Maty Mauk. Have you looked at his stats? Let's not get ridiculous this early in a recruiting cycle.