Nobody (or Almost Nobody) Actually Wants BK Fired

[Irish Insanity]

Since when has Kelly been known for the defensive side of his team? He has an innovative spread offense that rapidly scores points and takes the other team out of its offensive game plan.

I have never said Brian Kelly was known for the defensive side of the ball. I said he had a strong defense. He does have an innovative spread offense that scores rapidly. Its just that when the score goes up his defenses have always been good enough to keep the opponent from doing the same. Rich Rod's hasn't the majority of the time. Resulting in the comment about Rich Rod outscoring his opponents in a shoot out, and Brian Kelly not needing to.

 

[TerryTate]

If it disgusts you then you're lying to yourself..richrod is running a zone read whereas kelly is throwing it around the field. Nonetheless, both need to outscore you with a high powered offense to win.

RichRod has fielded defenses far better than brian kelly ever has..and thats a fact.

Cincinatti last year got scored all over when they played anyone with a decent offense... uconn pitt and florida off the top of my head from last yr.

Please support with facts:

I see Cinci ahead in PPG in 2009 and 2008.

College Football - Statistics by Team - Rivals.com

 

[Irish Insanity]

If it disgusts you then you're lying to yourself..richrod is running a zone read whereas kelly is throwing it around the field. Nonetheless, both need to outscore you with a high powered offense to win.

RichRod has fielded defenses far better than brian kelly ever has..and thats a fact.

Cincinatti last year got scored all over when they played anyone with a decent offense... uconn pitt and florida off the top of my head from last yr.

Your absolutely right. Growing up in Michigan, where Brian Kelly has spent most of his career, I have no idea about any of his teams or defenses, or Rich Rod for that matter.

 

[DillonHall]

I have never said Brian Kelly was known for the defensive side of the ball. I said he had a strong defense. He does have an innovative spread offense that scores rapidly. Its just that when the score goes up his defenses have always been good enough to keep the opponent from doing the same. Rich Rod's hasn't the majority of the time. Resulting in the comment about Rich Rod outscoring his opponents in a shoot out, and Brian Kelly not needing to.

OK, the problem with this back-and-forth is that you're not understanding what I was initially disputing. I was saying that the fact that "the majority of his defensive positives come from his offenses ability to score quickly and put the other teams out of their games and into throwing situations to catch up" applies to Brian Kelly as well as Rodriguez. Kelly is focused on scoring and getting ahead as soon as possible because (as you said yourself) this helps your defense because the opposing offense becomes one-dimensional. Focusing on scoring (and not time of possession) and always wanting the ball to start the game are two factors that illustrate Kelly's interest in taking the lead and playing with a lead, regardless of the strength of his defense...to me, this sounds like the same philosophy you described for Rodriguez.

 

[irishtrain]

Agreed. Can we really keep blaming the last decade and a half on coaching? Lou Holtz' 1993 season was, to me, the last successful season the Irish have had. We've gone 1-9 in bowl games since then and have had a 118-84 record. Notre Dame has not had a coach since Lou Holtz. I don't care about Ty's 10-3 season or Weis's 10-3 season. Neither of them ever had what it takes to be a long term coach at Notre Dame. Knute, Ara, and Lou all coached at least 10 years which, to me, is what the Irish need, a long-term coach. I think Kelly has that pedigree.

There have been problems in the program for quite a while now. I think it is deeper than recruiting, coaching, or scheduling. I think Administration has a lot to do with it. I, for one, love the tradition at Notre Dame. That is what draws people in. And I also believe that most of the traditions need to remain but there could be a little leniancy in some things. I made the comment about academic standards earlier this week in another post but I think I have since changed my thinking on that subject. I do still believe academics at Notre Dame are top-notch and I do still believe football players recruited to play for ND are required to be successful in the classroom however, it is still D-1 football. You really can't think that these players have it so hard when it comes to studies. I know there are a handful of football players that do care about their schooling and are successful but I find it hard to believe that their course work is too tedious.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I strongly agree with irishtrain, the problems at ND are much much deeper than the head coach.

I' m not saying burn down the academic hope for these guys once they get in. Its there if they want it. Problem is people on this board want them to compete with 'Ala etc' and I'm telling you those guys are not at those schools to get educated. If they CHOOSE to get educated its there but they (admn) dont give a %$#@ if they do anything but stay eligible. Your competing against semi pro football with a pennant and racoon tail in one hand and a sign that says 'GO State' like it was a Disney movie. It aint happening. We all love Notre Dame, that is a given ,but check your fantasy ideals at the door if you think it can be done any other way. Tony Rice and Pat Terrell are walking thru that door anymore-they're at Fla/Ala/Texas/TCU/Boise/Okla/ and yes that bastain of higher education southern cal.

 

[Irish Insanity]

OK, the problem with this back-and-forth is that you're not understanding what I was initially disputing. I was saying that the fact that "the majority of his defensive positives come from his offenses ability to score quickly and put the other teams out of their games and into throwing situations to catch up" applies to Brian Kelly as well as Rodriguez. Kelly is focused on scoring and getting ahead as soon as possible because (as you said yourself) this helps your defense because the opposing offense becomes one-dimensional. Focusing on scoring (and not time of possession) and always wanting the ball to start the game are two factors that illustrate Kelly's interest in taking the lead and playing with a lead, regardless of the strength of his defense...to me, this sounds like the same philosophy you described for Rodriguez.

I do appoligize. I was misunderstanding. I completely agree. My added comment was just that Kelly's D was usually tougher.

 

[jason_h537]

Whats with all the Oregon fans? damn bandwagoners. I been talking Pac 10 football since i joined, (NDinLA knows wassup), know all of a sudden people wannabe reppin the Ducks.

Shame on all of you

 

[DillonHall]

I do appoligize. I was misunderstanding. I completely agree. My added comment was just that Kelly's D was usually tougher.

I just pray to God that the similarities between BK and Rodriguez end here. LOL

 

[DillonHall]

Whats with all the Oregon fans? damn bandwagoners. I been talking Pac 10 football since i joined, (NDinLA knows wassup), know all of a sudden people wannabe reppin the Ducks.

Shame on all of you

Who? I just thought it was NDOM

 

[IrishinSyria]

Brian Kelly had strong defenses to keep the opositions score low. Rich Rod usually didn't and needed to outscore them to win.

On occasion, Kelly managed to field strong defenses at Cinci. But that's not the philosophy behind his coaching.

I was chatting with Allen Pinkett after the game, and he put it this way: Kelly developed his system at places like Grand Valley State and Central Michigan. He wasn't going to get the biggest guys on D or the best arms at QB. So he built a system that didn't need those guys to succeed. Basically, the goal is to rush up and down the field using short, high percentage passes to outscore your opponent. Defense is important, but it takes a backseat to the offense.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

I know one thing defense win championships . No one on here is gonna make me believe Charlie Weis wasn't as smart as Kelly on offense even after charlies surgery drugged up and laying there in bed he is as amart a offensive coach there is.I really like B.K honestly I dont want him fired at all thats makes no sense. The one thing over last few years I wondered is Indiana is cold weather stae right ? Why dont you play cold weather football ? You know big mean oline and a big bruising running back and oh ya a defense that that plays like a you called their mother ugly on every play.

 

[irishff1014]

I am not crazy over this spread offense. I like the pro style. I don't like the fact every play is out of the shotgun. Not that it matters this year no better then our o-line is playing. I do like Kelly and think over the next couple years he will have his guys here. I think that this off season needs alot of pushing these guys to be better. all accross the university put signs about how average this team is so the see it all the time and want more.

 

[DCirishfan]

He should not be fired.......un less we have a chance to land a coach like Saban or Meyer.

 

[phork]

He should not be fired.......un less we have a chance to land a coach like Saban or Meyer.

I am not about to sell my soul for college football riches. Sorry, but I don't want either guy here. Saban would be hard pressed to win here. Can't recruit 49 kids every year and drop them as he sees fit, can't bring in JUCOs.

 

[jonesman]

Phork,
BINGO. I do NOT want either SEC devil of UM or Nick. There is no way that ND will turn its head while UM or Nick bring in the thugs like they do at there current gigs. Nick has been able to build his empire quickly and sustain it thru JC and oversigning. He just loads up on bodies. The law of averages pays off. At UF, Urban is sitting at the center of football talent. How long do you think 30 arrests take to be front page news on ESPN every night and twice on Saturday if it were ND??? With Urban, they just keep sucking up to him.

ND will do fine with Kelly. We have suffered thru a season of dissapointments, but we are not far off. The O will really click in 2011. The D will even show improvement.

For those that do not think Kelly is focused on Defense or cares about it, look at how hard he has been recruiting for the D. Until the recent defections, you could say that all the blue chippers we had were on D. He realizes that we MUST have talent on D. He is still pushing hard for many great D recruits.

Keep the faith!!

 

[LongRun]

I would take Stoops brother in Arizona in a heart beat. This entire season is a nightmare.

 

[TerryTate]

I would take Stoops brother in Arizona in a heart beat. This entire season is a nightmare.

I've read all 15 of your posts. I challenge you to say something positive. All you've done so far is b*tch and moan. Getting a little old.

 

[Old Man Mike]

As usual, I'm with you, Terry. We have several posters who never have anything positive to say. Firing the coaching staff due to lack of pleasing everyone immediately is pretty close to extreme ego-centrism [nothing matters but how I feel now]. I'm hoping that it's just some folks method of coping [sort of like Primal Scream Therapy].

 

[CanadianIrish]

I would take Stoops brother in Arizona in a heart beat. This entire season is a nightmare.

Do you not realize how stupid that sounds? The season has been a disaster, but Kelly has relationship with all the recruits, and a lot of next year's prospects. He's also brought in a new system on offense and defense, and his own staff. Three coaches, three systems in three years, would be incredibly difficult for the program.

As I've said in this thread, there may need to be major symbolic changes if the season blows up and the recruits head for the exit, but: it doesn't look like that happening (based on the Tuitt comments); and even then it shouldn't be Kelly but someone else like the AD or maybe Diaco.

Comments like yours are just way too reactionary, it's not going to fix anything to fire Kelly, it's just a symbolic thing. However, it's a symbolic thing that will actually hurt the program. There are other symbolic things that can be done that won't hurt the program.

 

[irishff1014]

I think that kelly knows that he needs to change is probably in the process of that for next year but at the same time still worrying about this year. He has hit a bump in the road. When he turns this around thats how you know he is a good coach.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I for one feel that we will right this ship. So many things have plagued us this season but sometimes when a program is in the gutter, it takes awhile to get it back to where it needs to be. I would rather hold off on instant gratification and success for a long term success/solution. We learned with Willingham and Weis that short term/overnight success does not translate to long term success. This season has been a hard pill to swallow for so many different reasons, but I really think we are headed in the right direction. BK and his staff deserve a chance to get this program and team together.

 

[Irish Insanity]

There is no reason to fire him. We all knew from the start, and Kelly has stated, that this years sceme was gonna be an adjusted one for him. He stated the players in their positions don't work well with his sceme. He stated that he walked into the best running game he has had and will adjust his offense to accomidate that. When Kelly gets recruits over the next year or two, that fit his system, things will change for the better, and fast. No worry here. I'm a believer.