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Notre Dame football: Irish attitude, intensity, toughness lacking
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By AL LESAR
Tribune Staff Writer

Outside the Notre Dame football team's locker room Saturday, Dayne Crist stood tall, refusing to dodge the inevitable rehashing of a difficult day.

Look into his eyes. The hurt is obvious. But there's more.

This is a guy with the weight of the world on his shoulders.



He had his blunders. Two interceptions. A couple other badly thrown passes. The inability to move the ball a foot on fourth-and-goal.

"He has some good moments, and then inexperience hits him," Irish head coach Brian Kelly said of Crist after Saturday's loss to Navy. "It's the consistency factor for him, and being able to do this with a competence that is play-in and play-out. Hate to say it, but we're going through some of the growing pains with that.

"It manifests itself at times, in inopportune times, but he did some good things. That's kind of where we have to continue to develop with him."

But Navy's demolition of Notre Dame was fraught with blunders. Plenty of problems to go around.

A game like that can expose the warts. Nothing cosmetic can cover them up.

Bottom line: The Irish weren't tough - mentally or physically.

Consider the lackluster effort in the first two quarters of the Western Michigan and an alarming trend can be developing.

This is more like the attitude the Irish embraced from 2007-09. Kelly's trying to force-feed his hard-line approach on a group that doesn't appear hungry for change.

How much of that blame falls on Crist's shoulders? Eight games into his apprenticeship in the spread offense, how difficult is it to operate with his three top receivers out with injuries?

The Irish offensive line, outweighing the Midshipmen defensive line an average of 301 pounds to 255, missed a golden opportunity to assert itself.

Remember: Stoned from a foot on fourth-and-goal.

Nothing short of confession could absolve that sin.

While Crist is taking his lumps trying to establish himself as a productive part of the offense, maybe it's the line that's not a good fit. Last year at Cincinnati, when Kelly had his type of player in the trenches, the Bearcats averaged a very athletic 282 pounds.

That group was built on the premise of speed and mobility. Just like the spread offense has a foundation on balance. There's no hint of balance when the Irish rank 18th in the country (283 yards a game) in passing offense and 98th (112) in rushing.

Notre Dame's defense was submissive to a one-dimensional offense.

No matter the blocking scheme, a defense with attitude and intensity somehow - sooner or later - would have figured out a way to stop the fullback.

From the periphery of the Notre Dame football program, it seems simple. Think back to the last time the Irish had success on a regular basis, there was more than attitude and swagger.

Lou Holtz had his teams mentally prepared, fundamentally sound, and loaded for bear when the ball went in the air.

Maybe the symptoms that brought on a 20-25 record over the last four seasons haven't been remedied by a coaching change, no matter how hard Kelly forces the issue.

Kelly has the track record for progress. A 4-7 start at Central Michigan was a 9-4 record two years later. He had a 10-3 beginning at Cincinnati that evolved into 12-0 two years later.

Hard to look two years down the road now. After the massacre in the (New) Meadowlands, the immediate future's kinda scary.


A block is a block?
Navy offensive linemen, seriously undersized compared to just about every defensive line they face, use a tactic called a cut block to clear the way. One man goes low to take out a defender in a legal manner.

That's much different than the term "chop block." A chop block, illegal in college football, is when one man hits low, another hits the same defender high.

There's a big difference between the two.

It was inaccurately mentioned in a Tribune story Sunday that the two terms were interchangeable.

Navy, not flagged for a single penalty Saturday, obviously was cutting and not chopping.

Mea culpa. Mea culpa.
 

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Changing the attitude and mindset of this program is obviously going to take longer than we thought. There were many mental lapses and not just by the Quarterback. His play was horrid, but so was our defense. When we start playing with tenacity and and toughness both mentally and physically, we will see better results, but until then it is going to be a week to week thing to see which team shows up. Are we going to play sharp, or are we going to come out lack luster with little or not emotion. Again, I hate saying this but this season is really about changing the foundation of our football team on so many different levels. Unfortunately we have not seen the results we were all hoping for. I really hope we can finish this season with a little respectability. We have to win against Tulsa and Army..., there is just no ifs, ands or buts about that. I would also like to see us at least play competitve football against Utah and USC. I don't think we will win any of those two games, but we need to at least show up to play a solid game. Injuries aside, we need to have other guys step up and play big. This is an opportunity for them to contribute and help this team out in it's hour of need.
 

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The one good or bad thing for us against USC is that they play Oregon, Arizona State, Arizona and Oregon State. They have alot of tough games against them might ware them down or make them stronger. And with Utah they play against Tcu so maybe they will think they can just blow us out and we catch them off gaurd.
 

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The one good or bad thing for us against USC is that they play Oregon, Arizona State, Arizona and Oregon State. They have alot of tough games against them might ware them down or make them stronger. And with Utah they play against Tcu so maybe they will think they can just blow us out and we catch them off gaurd.

The optimist in me hopes you are right and maybe we can catch on of these two teams off their top game..., the realist in me thinks that we would have to play a solid 4 quarters of football with little or no mistakes, and have a nasty attitude and the will to win to get a victory from either of them and I just don't see that happen. I would be content with our team to put up a good effort and fight against Utah and USC.
 

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I would to but i am trying to be more positive. Last week was our worse game of the season. It really can't get much lower then that. We will be more in our comfort zone playing these teams that are going to just run the option like last week.
 

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The optimist in me hopes you are right and maybe we can catch on of these two teams off their top game..., the realist in me thinks that we would have to play a solid 4 quarters of football with little or no mistakes, and have a nasty attitude and the will to win to get a victory from either of them and I just don't see that happen. I would be content with our team to put up a good effort and fight against Utah and USC.


I have to disagree. The idea of "just competing" these last few years have put the program where it is. "Let's just try and play SC close", "Let's not get blown out by LSU". Notre Dame needs to learn how to be mean, and hungry again. The program, players, and fans need to learn how to develop that mean "Spartaneque" attitude; that wins, that makes opponents not want to play you again, and fuels a fire that burns even when the breaks are against you.

Yeah they lost to Navy. I'm disgraced, but it is done and over with. There are 4 games left to prove that all is not lost, and not quit. 2 giants are looming on the horizon. Talk is talk. For the most part, this team talks. Dayne talks, and comes up short on the field. He's got to believe. Manti Teo has to stand up and lead this team. He doesn't give a **** whos running the ball at him. He's goin to put him to sleep. Mike Floyd doesn't care whos covering him, he is not intimidated. Over these next 3 weeks players like Mike Floyd, Manti..etc have to get IN players faces so that they just don't listen, that they understand that it doesn't matter who gets in their way, they are going to feel what it is like playing the fighting irish, give them a beating that is goin to be remembered for a life time. Go cut the throat of your opponent, and take the victory, stop expecting people to be intimidated of your team, you are NOT that Notre Dame anymore. They are disgraces to those legendary teams.

Imagine what Zorich, Stonebreaker and co. would be saying to this team if they were in the locker room? Those teams did not care who they played, they took it to whomever got in there way.


Sorry for the rant lol I am just disgusted with the sense of entitlement this team has. They expect ND's mystique to overwhelm teams, not anymore. You gotta fight to win now guys. Notre Dame has become a joke. Fix that impression by BEATING SC and Utah.
 

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Over the bye week, if anyone is close with people on this team, have the team read the book "Gates of Fire". I've read it 100 times, and highlighted the parts that fire me up, and get me ready to compete. Before any competition; job interview, or even when I feel bad for myself for whatever reason, I read it, and I just get fired up. This team needs too find some motivational tool, whether its a teammate, another person, or book, because they need to learn how too not be scared, and how to be confident.

If anyone is looking for a good book, definitely pick it up. You won't regret it.
 

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I have to disagree. The idea of "just competing" these last few years have put the program where it is. "Let's just try and play SC close", "Let's not get blown out by LSU". Notre Dame needs to learn how to be mean, and hungry again. The program, players, and fans need to learn how to develop that mean "Spartaneque" attitude; that wins, that makes opponents not want to play you again, and fuels a fire that burns even when the breaks are against you.

Yeah they lost to Navy. I'm disgraced, but it is done and over with. There are 4 games left to prove that all is not lost, and not quit. 2 giants are looming on the horizon. Talk is talk. For the most part, this team talks. Dayne talks, and comes up short on the field. He's got to believe. Manti Teo has to stand up and lead this team. He doesn't give a **** whos running the ball at him. He's goin to put him to sleep. Mike Floyd doesn't care whos covering him, he is not intimidated. Over these next 3 weeks players like Mike Floyd, Manti..etc have to get IN players faces so that they just don't listen, that they understand that it doesn't matter who gets in their way, they are going to feel what it is like playing the fighting irish, give them a beating that is goin to be remembered for a life time. Go cut the throat of your opponent, and take the victory, stop expecting people to be intimidated of your team, you are NOT that Notre Dame anymore. They are disgraces to those legendary teams.

Imagine what Zorich, Stonebreaker and co. would be saying to this team if they were in the locker room? Those teams did not care who they played, they took it to whomever got in there way.


Sorry for the rant lol I am just disgusted with the sense of entitlement this team has. They expect ND's mystique to overwhelm teams, not anymore. You gotta fight to win now guys. Notre Dame has become a joke. Fix that impression by BEATING SC and Utah.

Brother you are so right on so many levels. I really wish some of our leaders (players) would motivate their teammates and just worry about playing solid *** football. Zorich, Stonebreaker and company would demand it from their teammates. We do need to change the whole attitude about losing......, it's like an illness that has plagued this team for too long now. We need to instill that winning attitude and approach every game the same...., go out and kick their a@@es and make no excuses..., just get it done. I really miss the days where we played tough game in and game out. I want that back more than anything. I want us to beat up Tulsa this weekend..., and god I would be elated if we can upset either Utah or USC. That would be HUGE for this team and it would show that this team can bounce back after having suffered a very disappointing loss.
 

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Over the bye week, if anyone is close with people on this team, have the team read the book "Gates of Fire". I've read it 100 times, and highlighted the parts that fire me up, and get me ready to compete. Before any competition; job interview, or even when I feel bad for myself for whatever reason, I read it, and I just get fired up. This team needs too find some motivational tool, whether its a teammate, another person, or book, because they need to learn how too not be scared, and how to be confident.

If anyone is looking for a good book, definitely pick it up. You won't regret it.

Damm bro! That is an awesome book. One of my all time favorites and I read it before going to Iraq my first time. Very inspiring indeed.
 

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Damm bro! That is an awesome book. One of my all time favorites and I read it before going to Iraq my first time. Very inspiring indeed.

Haha yeah a real close friend of mine who was a Marine made me read it. It's awesome lol I could've read it in like 3 days, but there were many pages that I read over, and over, because it just gave me chills. Great read though brother!
 

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Haha yeah a real close friend of mine who was a Marine made me read it. It's awesome lol I could've read it in like 3 days, but there were many pages that I read over, and over, because it just gave me chills. Great read though brother!

Indeed it is. My XO at the time, a SF guy encouraged me to read it after he finished it because he loved it. I finished it in 2 days and couldn't put the book down.
 

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Brother you are so right on so many levels. I really wish some of our leaders (players) would motivate their teammates and just worry about playing solid *** football. Zorich, Stonebreaker and company would demand it from their teammates. We do need to change the whole attitude about losing......, it's like an illness that has plagued this team for too long now. We need to instill that winning attitude and approach every game the same...., go out and kick their a@@es and make no excuses..., just get it done. I really miss the days where we played tough game in and game out. I want that back more than anything. I want us to beat up Tulsa this weekend..., and god I would be elated if we can upset either Utah or USC. That would be HUGE for this team and it would show that this team can bounce back after having suffered a very disappointing loss.


Our whole society has become a state of politically correct panseys. You can't yell, or get in the face of people to teach anymore. You have to "motivate politely, and constructively" otherwise face a law suit. Kids aren't taught how to be tough anymore, therefore they are out of control, medicated, or some other bs . If I got into trouble, and came how I was smacked in the mouth, not beat up to a bloody pulp or anything. I was just disciplined by fear, and taught to be tough. Life rarely goes your way, you gotta persevere. Thats the problem with Notre Dame, they live off the name of being Notre Dame, and everyone just sympathizes them with excuses; oh you can't get the athletes, other schools cheat, the refs hate ND, eveyrone plays there best against Notre Dame...etc. AND THE PLAYERS/ TEAM BUY INTO THIS ****!!!!.

Someone needs to stand up, and get in the face of this team, and I don't mean nice and sweet with a pat on the back saying "Hey you did this well, but you did everything else wrong. Just work on it, and try your best!" Demand perfection.

NDCOLTSFAN2010....just like Polynikes would if he were in the locker room. haha
 

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Our whole society has become a state of politically correct panseys. You can't yell, or get in the face of people to teach anymore. You have to "motivate politely, and constructively" otherwise face a law suit. Kids aren't taught how to be tough anymore, therefore they are out of control, medicated, or some other bs . If I got into trouble, and came how I was smacked in the mouth, not beat up to a bloody pulp or anything. I was just disciplined by fear, and taught to be tough. Life rarely goes your way, you gotta persevere. Thats the problem with Notre Dame, they live off the name of being Notre Dame, and everyone just sympathizes them with excuses; oh you can't get the athletes, other schools cheat, the refs hate ND, eveyrone plays there best against Notre Dame...etc. AND THE PLAYERS/ TEAM BUY INTO THIS ****!!!!.

Someone needs to stand up, and get in the face of this team, and I don't mean nice and sweet with a pat on the back saying "Hey you did this well, but you did everything else wrong. Just work on it, and try your best!" Demand perfection.

NDCOLTSFAN2010....just like Polynikes would if he were in the locker room. haha

Exactly. Recently in a few threads people were being critical of BK and his sideline yelling etc.., etc... I was like that is exactly what we need. This team does not need soft words of encouragement, or coddling and being all soft and sentimental and crap..., if you ask me..., it's about being tough and bringing back some darned intensity back to this program. Lets stop beating around the bush and admit that at times, we lack anything resembling any kind of intensity and I feel it starts with the coaching staff,fans and what not to demand it from their players. Play with some passion and fire and have a kill your opponent attitude every time you step on a football field. You are right my friend..., Polynikes would definently not be too kind in the locker room..., lol. But then again, over the years society has changed and so has the state of Notre Dame football.
 

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I do believe you have to yell at them but at the same time to make it effective you have to give them praise when they do a good job. this way it makes them understand that the coach is not picking on me.
 
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I have to disagree. The idea of "just competing" these last few years have put the program where it is. "Let's just try and play SC close", "Let's not get blown out by LSU". Notre Dame needs to learn how to be mean, and hungry again. The program, players, and fans need to learn how to develop that mean "Spartaneque" attitude; that wins, that makes opponents not want to play you again, and fuels a fire that burns even when the breaks are against you.


EXACTLY!!!!

First of all, get the idea Navy is a bad team, out of your head. They have been handing arrogant, overstuffed teams their heads, for a while! Lesar is usually dead on, but this look at ****-poor Navy stuff is for the birds. IT IS PART OF THE ATTITUDE THAT MAKES US SECOND CLASS, RIGHT NOW!!

You talk about the Marines. I did my time. I don't ever remember us getting overconfident, or overlooking an opponent. Ever. It was about the job; and getting the job done. Ooh-rah!!


Now today I heard someone say that Jack Swarbrick was the problem for firing Charlie Weiss one year too early! I almost disintegrated my keyboard! What a load of trash. You guys are absolutely right. We haven’t been tough for a dozen years, or more! We need to stop talking about who is going to save us and how bad we got screwed, and ask what are you going to do when things get tough for us, like 4th and 1!
 
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Watching the press conference and they were talking about Williams, and sure enough some reporter had to ask, "Was it an illegal block?" Kelly just looked at him and said, they were double-teaming him all day. Kelly just stood there and stared at him. He also called Williams his best defensive player, and referred to him as an All-American caliber player.
 

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I do believe you have to yell at them but at the same time to make it effective you have to give them praise when they do a good job. this way it makes them understand that the coach is not picking on me.

I agree, but you congratulate victory, not doing one piece, of a 30 piece puzzle, correctly. Whenever I had a coach or whatever who gave me the speech of "atleast you tried your best", I always got mad because, obviously, my best was not good enough. I worked harder. It's all about intensity, and refusing to fail. Moral victories are for pussies.
 

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Our whole society has become a state of politically correct panseys. You can't yell, or get in the face of people to teach anymore. You have to "motivate politely, and constructively" otherwise face a law suit. Kids aren't taught how to be tough anymore, therefore they are out of control, medicated, or some other bs . If I got into trouble, and came how I was smacked in the mouth, not beat up to a bloody pulp or anything. I was just disciplined by fear, and taught to be tough. Life rarely goes your way, you gotta persevere. Thats the problem with Notre Dame, they live off the name of being Notre Dame, and everyone just sympathizes them with excuses; oh you can't get the athletes, other schools cheat, the refs hate ND, eveyrone plays there best against Notre Dame...etc. AND THE PLAYERS/ TEAM BUY INTO THIS ****!!!!.

Someone needs to stand up, and get in the face of this team, and I don't mean nice and sweet with a pat on the back saying "Hey you did this well, but you did everything else wrong. Just work on it, and try your best!" Demand perfection.

NDCOLTSFAN2010....just like Polynikes would if he were in the locker room. haha

Fully agree 100%

Way to many spoiled, weak minded babies walking this earth, and playing college football.
 
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Oh, look, it happened again. At Kelly's press conference today. When they were talking about Ian Williams, the first thing a reporter wanted to know is if it was an illegal block. Kelly gave him an incredulous look and said that they were doubleteaming Ian all day, and then some. He went on to praise Ian as his most consistent and best player this year.

Who gives a load of manure whether it was an illegal block? What is that going to negate the loss? Will that make us tougher?

It is all that . . .
 

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Fully agree 100%

Way to many spoiled, weak minded babies walking this earth, and playing college football.

Yeah its pathetic. Our whole culture went from a strong minded tough resilient people to whiny politically correct entitled cry babies.
 

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Yeah its pathetic. Our whole culture went from a strong minded tough resilient people to whiny politically correct entitled cry babies.

LOL..., I have to kind of agree with this. It's amazing to me how the times have changed in just 20-30 years with literally everything. Heck kids in alot of areas are not even allowed to ride bikes without, helmet, knee pads, elbow pads etc...., Shoot most kids these days would rather stay inside and play video games and eat junk food everyday and we as a society allow it. Sadly, it's a trend that has slowly but surely crept into our society and we aren't as tough and resilient as we once were. Is it any wonder we have so many politically correct cry babies nowadays?
 

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LOL..., I have to kind of agree with this. It's amazing to me how the times have changed in just 20-30 years with literally everything. Heck kids in alot of areas are not even allowed to ride bikes without, helmet, knee pads, elbow pads etc...., Shoot most kids these days would rather stay inside and play video games and eat junk food everyday and we as a society allow it. Sadly, it's a trend that has slowly but surely crept into our society and we aren't as tough and resilient as we once were. Is it any wonder we have so many politically correct cry babies nowadays?


Yeah. I see it everyday. When I was a growing up every kid on my street was out playing tag, football, jailbreak...etc. Now, the street has many kids living on it, but I don't think that the kids on one end of the street even know who the kids are on the other end. Noone is outside playing. They play video games, eat chips, and get heavily medicated because doctors say they have "ADD/ADHD", when the real problem is they have all this bottled up energy from playing Xbox. Also, kids have so many social problems because schools have set rules on the types of interaction allowed, and parents dont trust other parents to look after there kids.

lol back to the politically correct point. Yeah, if I am a teacher, I can't say "Mr., your son is lazy and annoying to the class." It's has to be some medical excuse, and the kid has to be coddled, and now has a crutch to lean on his whole life. I know someone who I grew up with who was coddled and fed meds his whole life bc he had ADD. The kid is 25 years old no degree, no career, lives with his parents, and still uses "its hard for me because I have ADD". Jesus Christ. He wouldn't act like a little jerk if he got screamed at, and told to stop.
 

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I bet the Japanese wish we had this mentality during WW2..Think about that one for a second, dropping the "your all toast" bombs on them, killing hundreds of thousands, and we celebrate in the streets of NY like we all won the lottery.

Today, you accidently kill a civilian in war, your up dookie creek without a paddle and banjo's are playing in the distance
 

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I bet the Japanese wish we had this mentality during WW2..Think about that one for a second, dropping the "your all toast" bombs on them, killing hundreds of thousands, and we celebrate in the streets of NY like we all won the lottery.

Today, you accidently kill a civilian in war, your up dookie creek without a paddle and banjo's are playing in the distance

Yeah it'll be funny too see Whoopi Goldbergs face one day when she is dressed in Muslim garb because she's a slave to a Imam
 

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I bet the Japanese wish we had this mentality during WW2..Think about that one for a second, dropping the "your all toast" bombs on them, killing hundreds of thousands, and we celebrate in the streets of NY like we all won the lottery.

Today, you accidently kill a civilian in war, your up dookie creek without a paddle and banjo's are playing in the distance

You are right about this my friend. Just a few years back I worked with a NATO headquarters in Italy and would travel to some of our allies about how being a soldier nowadays ain't the same way it used to be. Nowadays you press embedded in all of the line units and with such stringent ROEs and such it really restricts what we do in alot of cases. If you are unfortunate enough to have killed a civilian, then you are right you are up the creek without any paddle or life jacket. you are done. Again society has changed so much and so has our military. Crap it isn't the same as when I joined back in 1990. Alot has changed since then for sure. I'm glad our grandfathers fought so hard back in WW2 because with out politically correctness these days, I don't think we would be where we are today if we weren't tough back then.
 

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You are right about this my friend. Just a few years back I worked with a NATO headquarters in Italy and would travel to some of our allies about how being a soldier nowadays ain't the same way it used to be. Nowadays you press embedded in all of the line units and with such stringent ROEs and such it really restricts what we do in alot of cases. If you are unfortunate enough to have killed a civilian, then you are right you are up the creek without any paddle or life jacket. you are done. Again society has changed so much and so has our military. Crap it isn't the same as when I joined back in 1990. Alot has changed since then for sure. I'm glad our grandfathers fought so hard back in WW2 because with out politically correctness these days, I don't think we would be where we are today if we weren't tough back then.

The way we are, and our place in the world, is in serious jeopardy. The next 20 or 30 years will be interesting to watch
 

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in the next 20 or 30 years will be the united states of china. we will owe them some much money the country will be given to them.
 

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China won't want us when it takes a wheelbarrel full of hundreds to buy a loaf of bread.

I blame hippies for all the above problems accuratley stated.
 
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