Is Dayne Crist the Problem?

[irishtrain]

No, it is time to admit that you have a serious problem forming a rational thought. 18 of 28, 255 yds and 3 td's, yea that's a problem. Also a guy that has completed nearly 60% of his passes, thrown for over 1800 yards and 14 scores, not to mention a few running td's, through the first 7 games of his college career, all while learning a system he has never played before. The real problem is this site allowing posts like that one.

Next year as he gets better people will be saying he's a Heisman guy. This kid has a huge up side. He has to work on being a tough SOB though and get in some peoples face as he learns his job. I think he'll be fine next year and hope he has Rudolph and Floyd to throw to. I repeat off the field be a gentleman but I am waiting for him to show the toughness the position reguires on the field. He's a big boy and my drift is not toward power running its toward letting the other guys know I'm not going anywhere-we are here to beat your @$#. You can do that in other ways than power running.

 

[ThePiombino]

so what he misses a few open passes

So what? It's the difference between 3 and out and a potential score by keeping drives alive. Not to mention the entire flow of the offense being thrown off AND the defense getting much needed extra time to rest between possessions. I'm confident he'll get better, but there's not point in pretending that it's not an issue NOW. There is no excuse for missing as many wide open receivers as he has, regardless of how new he is to the system or how many starts he has under his belt. It can be argued that his progressions and reads will get better in time, but there is still no excuse for missing open targets in the interim.

That said, I like Crist a lot. I think he has a HUGE upside, but until then he needs to work on hitting the gimmes and keeping those drives alive.

 

[CanadianIrish]

I'm a fan, so what he misses a few open passes, i think he's gonna leave a pretty good legacy at ND when he graduates

He very well might, but that's not helping us anymore this year than Aaron Lynch is. This year, Dayne's the problem. Next year, without Floyd and/or Rudy, it might be the receivers. We need to get all the pieces into place at once, not just crank out one good piece a year.

 

[TDHeysus]

This year, Dayne's the problem. .

I respect your opinion, but I think its premature, and slightly absurd. I think its the program, and the lack of stability/consistancy. Revolving coaches and offensive schemes....the fact that Dayne is having to learn a new system, one that is NOT taylormade to his skills. A pro style qb running a spread. he is a round peg, on a board with square pegs. Coincidentally, he is the best round peg ND has.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Kind of funny. On this site, supporters say Crist has "only" played 7 games. In "real world" conversations, the most ardent supporter I spoke to is turned off by Crist and said the guy has "already" played 7 games and should have learned by now.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

He very well might, but that's not helping us anymore this year than Aaron Lynch is. This year, Dayne's the problem. Next year, without Floyd and/or Rudy, it might be the receivers. We need to get all the pieces into place at once, not just crank out one good piece a year.

Wait a minute, do you have some information that we don't? And for you all, Theo, (when healthy), Jackson, Smith, Jones, Goodman, Collinsworth, Eifert, Ragone, and Toma, are going to do just fine! (When that day does come) Preview this Saturday at noon!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Kind of funny.

Kind of funny? You know what's kind of funny?

You!

 

[TDHeysus]

Kind of funny? You know what's kind of funny?

You!

Funny? like how?

YouTube - Goodfellas - "I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown?"

 

[Bogtrotter07]

No more like:

YouTube - Q's Sid the Sloth

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Quote:
He very well might, but that's not helping us anymore this year than Aaron Lynch is. This year, Dayne's the problem. Next year, without Floyd and/or Rudy, it might be the receivers. We need to get all the pieces into place at once, not just crank out one good piece a year.

Wait a minute, do you have some information that we don't? And for you all, Theo, (when healthy), Jackson, Smith, Jones, Goodman, Collinsworth, Eifert, Ragone, and Toma, are going to do just fine! (When that day does come) Preview this Saturday at noon!
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Then add George Adkinson and Davaris Daniels to the list . . .

Rivals just posted a video (Premium), and this kid is absurd. So fast. Huge pull out of Cali. He and Davaris on the flanks will resemble the Floyd/Tate combo.

Cool, eh?

 

[irishandy]

Dayne is learning the system nicely and I like what he has done to this point. On the comparison to Clausen vs. Crist, they are both pro style QB's, if Clausen did stay I don't think he would lead the team in rushing TD's (Crist is our current leader at 4), and he would've been the best passer in the country.
What I've been reading locally is that Andrew Hendrix is impressing the coaching staff, so Dayne will definitely have some competition next year.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Kind of funny. On this site, supporters say Crist has "only" played 7 games. In "real world" conversations, the most ardent supporter I spoke to is turned off by Crist and said the guy has "already" played 7 games and should have learned by now.

Brilliant.

 

[CanadianIrish]

Are people here really going to continue to pretend that Dayne's accuracy isn't a problem after the first half? That interception was god awful, the long throw to the end zone was embarassing, and many of the completions are thrown in a position that precludes any ROTC.

The defence is not to blame here, Navy should have 14 points at the half. Dayne Crist is not advancing the way he should be and it is a serious problem.

 

[NDOM]

Dayne Crist sucks. Plain and simple. He's part of the problem but not all of it.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

Stay in Canada, you don't know much about football. The long pass to the endzone was embarrassing? It needed three feet and it was a touchdown, he didn't have the room to step into the throw. RELAX.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Are people here really going to continue to pretend that Dayne's accuracy isn't a problem after the first half? That interception was god awful, the long throw to the end zone was embarassing, and many of the completions are thrown in a position that precludes any ROTC.

The defence is not to blame here, Navy should have 14 points at the half. Dayne Crist is not advancing the way he should be and it is a serious problem.

Epic fail. You obviously don't know football, and it's getting embarrassing. The defense has been absolutely pathetic, and you're saying it's not on the defense?????? And on the pick, from my view TJ, a true freshman, should have come back for the ball on a curl instead of going up the field. And on the bomb, Eifert missed the block and got Crist crushed!!! Seriously, you are just sounding off at this point just to try and make your point sound good. No, he's not a Heisman candidate, but spare me idiotic rantings about a QB in his friggin' 8th career game, as if he'll never be good. Go look up other great QBs in their 8th career game and you'll see GREAT QBs with far worse numbers.

Pathetic.

Oh yeah, and his top 3 targets are out of the game. For those that actually understand the game, that's kind of a big deal. To you, not so much.

 

[irishandy]

Today some of Dayne's passes have been in double coverage, some are great thrown and others are wobbley. On the 4th & 1 on our first possession Crist shouldn't have gotten the call, Wood or Hughes should've. I do question Crist's accuracy, when he is on he has great throws, but when he is off he doesn't look to good. I give Dayne a C- for the first half, plus our defense is playing terrible.

 

[CanadianIrish]

Epic fail. You obviously don't know football, and it's getting embarrassing. The defense has been absolutely pathetic, and you're saying it's not on the defense?????? And on the pick, from my view TJ, a true freshman, should have come back for the ball on a curl instead of going up the field. And on the bomb, Eifert missed the block and got Crist crushed!!! Seriously, you are just sounding off at this point just to try and make your point sound good. No, he's not a Heisman candidate, but spare me idiotic rantings about a QB in his friggin' 8th career game, as if he'll never be good. Go look up other great QBs in their 8th career game and you'll see GREAT QBs with far worse numbers.

Pathetic.

Oh yeah, and his top 3 targets are out of the game. For those that actually understand the game, that's kind of a big deal. To you, not so much.

Honestly, people like you give the internet a bad name. Insulting the intelligence, knowledge and a person in general who you disagree with is the conduct of a child. You, amongst others, have repeatedly suggested I'm illogical or cannot structure an argument, which is pathetic given that I'm a lawyer. Rather, suggesting that a half way decent completion percentage is proof that a quarterback doesn't have accuracy problems is one of the least logical arguments I've ever seen - especially when it is being pointed out that many of his completions are not accurate.

As for today, the teams had equal yardage at the time of the interception, the defence was doing poorly, but Dayne wasn't helping matters. After the interception, Dayne went to crap and so did the team. Also, I'd suggest you watch the first interception again. For you to simultaneously suggest I know nothing about football but that should have been a curl is hilarious. If it's a curl he's triple covered. If he had some touch on that throw it might have been a completion, and he obviously thought it would be but he just cannot control the ball when on the move.

He threw two picks on one drive afterwards, but I suppose that's also the defense's fault. At this point in the second half the only throws he has completed are short throws right over the middle. You cannot have a pass first offense with a quarterback like that. End of discussion.

Grow up and admit reality, continuing to argue this is just pathetic. Nobody on this forum predicted the offense would be this bad in this game, and when they are somehow that's the defense's problem. The conduct of the diehards in this thread is making this forum look ridiculous.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Haha, I give the Internet a bad name, and yet YOU are the guy:

* dismissing a QB as not ever being able to be good after his 7th game.

* dismissing a QB as not ever being able to be good despite the fact he has the 9th most passing yards in the nation.

* ripping a QB for underthrowing a ball that went for a TD for 80 yds, despite the fact that the ball was THROWN INTO A VERY STIFF WIND, but of course armchair QBs like yourself look to rip each and everything just to prove your point, regardless of facts.

* ripping a QB for underthrowing a bomb today DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE GOT BLOWN UP AND HAD TO THROW IT EARLIER THAN HE SHOULD HAVE, but again, why let facts get into the way of your argument.

* ripping a QB who is throwing to 3 back-ups who haven't seen near the reps with him that the starters have.

So, I guess this forum is somewhere where you'll enjoy a quick vacation from, since it is 'ridiculous'. If you call it ridiculous again, I will be happy to grant you that vacation, just so we can spare the rest of the 'ridiculous' posters from your over-the-top-Skip-Bayless-type overreactions.

Again, Crist needs work, I'm not denying that at all. However, the fact that you dismiss all of the facts above and just make an all-encompassing statement on a first-time starter is, well, ridiculous.

Talk to me next year. Until then, keep watching Skip Bayless to work on your 'shtick'...

 

[CanadianIrish]

Haha, I give the Internet a bad name, and yet YOU are the guy:

* dismissing a QB as not ever being able to be good after his 7th game.

* dismissing a QB as not ever being able to be good despite the fact he has the 9th most passing yards in the nation.

* ripping a QB for underthrowing a ball that went for a TD for 80 yds, despite the fact that the ball was THROWN INTO A VERY STIFF WIND, but of course armchair QBs like yourself look to rip each and everything just to prove your point, regardless of facts.

* ripping a QB for underthrowing a bomb today DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE GOT BLOWN UP AND HAD TO THROW IT EARLIER THAN HE SHOULD HAVE, but again, why let facts get into the way of your argument.

* ripping a QB who is throwing to 3 back-ups who haven't seen near the reps with him that the starters have.

So, I guess this forum is somewhere where you'll enjoy a quick vacation from, since it is 'ridiculous'. If you call it ridiculous again, I will be happy to grant you that vacation, just so we can spare the rest of the 'ridiculous' posters from your over-the-top-Skip-Bayless-type overreactions.

Again, Crist needs work, I'm not denying that at all. However, the fact that you dismiss all of the facts above and just make an all-encompassing statement on a first-time starter is, well, ridiculous.

Talk to me next year. Until then, keep watching Skip Bayless to work on your 'shtick'...

The fact that you are a mod and post to people in your general tone is unbelievable. Can you actually read your posts and take a look at how you address anyone who disagrees with you? Especially in light of the fact that I never said half of the above things, I never said he could never be good, I've said he needs to work on his accuracy immediately and this is the source of problems.

Try reading posts before spouting off rants about the general inferiority of anyone who doesn't agree with you.

 

[NDOM]

I feel a banning coming pretty soon. Dont mess with NDinLA!!!! if ya do, you'll get the shoe. HEY THAT RHYMED!

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Dayne Crist sucks. Plain and simple. He's part of the problem but not all of it.

LOL. NDOM is dead. Long live OWB!

 

[NDOM]

LOL. NDOM is dead. Long live OWB!

LOL! I'm still livin it up in the 616 but I would rather be in Eugene.

 

[mgriff]

So when is it acceptable to expect improvement? Second season as a starter? Third? It's up to the individual, of which no one's opinion can define Dayne Crist at this point. To say that he is going to be great, or good, is just as much of a toss-up as saying he is the sole reason for the team's struggles. He is around an average college quarterback at this point, and his lack of improvement after seven games is a valid reason to be concerned about his progression.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

LOL! I'm still livin it up in the 616 but I would rather be in Eugene.

Have you officially denounced ND, or just riling up the natives?

 

[CanadianIrish]

Right now I legitimately prefer Tommy Rees at QB, obviously it's the end of the game, but he is making throws that Dayne simply won't (for whatever reason). By that I mean he's willing to throw longer passes, and he takes something off a throw or adds extra zip as needed. He's had no more time in the system, but his throws simply look better than Dayne's at this point.

 

[NDOM]

Have you officially denounced ND, or just riling up the natives?

Oh brother, you know me. I'm doing what I do best. Shhh, dont tell.

 

[Honey Nut Irish]

Right now I legitimately prefer Tommy Rees at QB, obviously it's the end of the game, but he is making throws that Dayne simply won't (for whatever reason). By that I mean he's willing to throw longer passes, and he takes something off a throw or adds extra zip as needed. He's had no more time in the system, but his throws simply look better than Dayne's at this point.

He has played 4 min of mop up duty...

Dane Crist did not lose this game. I would say our D is obviously a bigger concern right now.

 

[CanadianIrish]

He has played 4 min of mop up duty...

Dane Crist did not lose this game. I would say our D is obviously a bigger concern right now.

I said it was the end of the game in my post - the results are meaningless. I'm strictly talking about how his thrown balls look. His look good, Dayne's do not. He was credited coming out of high school for accuracy and touch, it was pointed out that this was a weakness for Dayne. My concern throughout has been accuracy and touch, and Dayne simply doesn't have any at this point, Tommy Rees does.

Even though Rees is likely deficient in other areas (he certainly has far less arm strength), I'd rather have a QB who throws a nice accurate ball than one with an uncontrolled cannon. At least you can game plan to compensate for the lack of arm strength, the strong armed QB with no touch is just a big pile of untapped potential.

JaMarcus Russell had lots of arm strength, and Drew Brees has below average arm strength. Potential means nothing if you don't realize it. Dayne is just not living up to his potential and I have seen zero evidence that his accuracy/touch is improving in the slightest.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Right now I legitimately prefer Tommy Rees at QB, obviously it's the end of the game, but he is making throws that Dayne simply won't (for whatever reason). By that I mean he's willing to throw longer passes, and he takes something off a throw or adds extra zip as needed. He's had no more time in the system, but his throws simply look better than Dayne's at this point.

Ummmm......wow. And you wonder why I questioned your intelligence. Thank you for this post.

Case closed.