What happened to Filer?
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Very curious to know as well.
To me a play from the MSU game sums up the OLB's....
Cousins bootlegged out. Neal initially headed toward the QB but quickly realized the full back would be open and made a smart move to cover the receiver.
I thought, smart play Neal! It'll only be a small gain, if anything.
Except Neal didn't get there in time and the receiver rumbled for almost ten yards.
To me a play from the MSU game sums up the OLB's....
Cousins bootlegged out. Neal initially headed toward the QB but quickly realized the full back would be open and made a smart move to cover the receiver.
I thought, smart play Neal! It'll only be a small gain, if anything.
Except Neal didn't get there in time and the receiver rumbled for almost ten yards.
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They haven't run into the situation yet where they need a guy to jump out of a pool a water, landing on the side feet first. {sarcasm}
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I actually thought Brian Smith looked pretty good against Michigan St. He still can't cover anyone, but we know that. He made some solid tackles and was usually in the right spot.
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i don't know some people think the Notre Dame Ship is sinking, so he may need that ability soon
That's the thing. So what if Brian Smith can tell the coaches where he should be on every given play...he is never there during the game. Same with Neal. Why is Manti given a pass for mistakes but Filer does not even get the chance.
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Not sure if serious? Teo is a perfect fit at ILB. He has 32 tackles in 3 games.
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Brian Smith has been reduced to a back up. I actually thought he played his best game yet against MSU. Our OLBs need to step it up across the board. I'm sure Filer will get looks, but I think he's better suited to play Flemming's role. Again, it's been 3 games.
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Te'o IS THE PERFECT FIT to play inside. Moose has been downgrading him since the beginning of the season. Once you get that opinion in your head, I guess there's no losing it. He's been arguably our best/most consistent player on D along with Gary.
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Of course I am serious. Go back and look at the game, from the second half of the 3rd quarter on............ they were gashing our D with runs right at Teo. But regardless..........Teo is nowhere near a dominating ILB. And we desperately need help (and speedy help) at OLB... Teo is the fastest ILB, so why not try him outside?
By the way...........defenses are almost all exclusively designed to funnel plays towards the ILBs. ILBs are supposed to get lots of tackles.
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Well....I guess he's doing his job then, no?
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I'm not the only one that has pointed out that Teo is not playing near the level of the hype he got, or the adulation that he gets, on here. Why is he the perfect fit? Are you saying that offensive linemen haven't had their way with him?
In earlier threads, people made excuses for Teo's missed tackles, saying "at least he turned the guy back inside toward the pursuit." Well guess what...........Teo IS "the pursuit"!! So he turned guys back inside toward where HE should be, to make the play. I'm not saying that Teo is a no-talent hack. I'm merely suggesting that it is possible that he would better serve the TEAM, by trying some OLB.
Yes, and the past several years, our leading tacklers have been our safeties. I'd say this is a huge improvement.
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And I "merely" suggest that he belongs in the middle. His production is fine at this point. He is after all a sophomore and still growing. Why is he being held to a different standard than the other guys on the defense....??? Because he was a 5 star? I've learn long ago to ignore stars and let kids develop.
As I said before, you've had him pigeon holed from the beginning of the season. You can argue all you want about putting him outside....he belongs inside and will grow to be one of the best we've ever had at the position.
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I said maybe they should try him outside.........your response was that he is THE PERFECT FIT inside. Which of those statements sounds more like a mere suggestion? Drink the koolaid all you want. I know I shouldn't be pissed off about your response, but I am. You make it sound like I've been dogging the guy since before the season started, and that just ain't true. He's a solid inside backer. But it looks like Calabrese is playing pretty solidly as well. We have two inside backers playing well, but not one outside backer. It seems pretty reasonable, to me, to think that maybe we ought to try one of those inside guys outside. Since Teo has great speed, it might as well be him.
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i know this has been mentioned that stats are not the most important thing, rather the success of the team. But Teo is on pace to have around 120 tackles this year, and the last two players to win the Butkus Award barely had over 100 tackles, and those two were/are very good players (Rolando McClain-Alabama, Aaron Curry-Wake Forest)
so it would be best to leave him at his position that he has been working at, as we have seen in the past when they moved Brian Smith, because they felt he was the best LB and could move everywhere. Now he isn't even a starter, probably because of execution but moving all over the place could cause that effect also.
i see everything working out eventually, even if that means the defense will have to play in a way that the OLB's won't be exposed.
so it would be best to leave him at his position that he has been working at, as we have seen in the past when they moved Brian Smith, because they felt he was the best LB and could move everywhere. Now he isn't even a starter, probably because of execution but moving all over the place could cause that effect also.
i see everything working out eventually, even if that means the defense will have to play in a way that the OLB's won't be exposed.
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And I wouldn't suggest he move outside.... He's of the perfect mold to play inside. Why rob Peter to pay Paul... The outside guys aren't doing their jobs so weaken the inside to play a guy out of position? I don't get it.
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Because sometimes the whole is made stronger, even if one of it's parts is made weaker.
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Disagree....He stays inside. We have other options outside. 32 tackles in 3 games. I'll take it.
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Who is going to play ILB if we hypothetically move Teo outside? B Smith, please no. If you move Filer to ILB, you wouldn't be using his best asset - speed. Teo is built like a tank, and he's made to clog holes and stuff the run. Anthony McDonald has been injured. Fact of the matter is these OLBs are not used to this system. They haven't had enough work to 'contain' the offense on stretch plays. They need to get better with their hands as Kelly pointed out several times this summer. This will come with time.
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eh, I see the point. Teo HAS had trouble shedding blocks when O-linemen get to him. And he is fast...fast enough to be an asset on the outside.
BUT, he's our best linebacker, and we need him in the middle. The last thing we need to do right now is have him trying to learn a new position. Actually, that's the second last thing. The last thing we need to do is get thinner at ILB.
Cool-heads guys.
BUT, he's our best linebacker, and we need him in the middle. The last thing we need to do right now is have him trying to learn a new position. Actually, that's the second last thing. The last thing we need to do is get thinner at ILB.
Cool-heads guys.
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hehehehehehe...that was funny...+1
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Was just going to say... Perhaps in a rain game.
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Manti is still an outstanding talent and will doubtless be one of those players whose upside is so good that he'll continue to grow every year until he is beyond belief. Right now he is victimized by the extreme fantasy hype that placed him on Mt Olympus prior to his time. I too have been worried about some of the non-shedding of offensive linemen that has occurred. I wonder who our D-linemen were at those times, and whether he was blitzing right into the teeth of the offensive scheme, so that such "defeats" were to be expected. Maybe someone here knows the answer to that. But MOVING Te'o? No way that we want to mess up his learning curve on this new scheme. As to his "negative grading" plays [in coaching film room parlance], sometimes a D-lineman or a safety are supposed to make the play a linebacker can't. I also would like to know how the coaching staff is grading those plays, as I'm pretty sure that most of us don't have a clue. Sometimes I feel we need to show a little more humility about our "insightful" analyses, which appear to me to be shallow [often] indeed. In complex situations, what appears to the untrained eye is rarely what is really going on. I will take Te'o rather than "trade" him to one of our opponents. Who do we have on this team who is perfect? Who does anybody have?