Bradshaw rips clausen!

[NeuteredDoomer]

Is that like crossing the streams? I almost did that the other night at a concert while peing..... it was doing that weird thing where it sprays in a V....LOL

Gotta hate it when that happens. Happened to me yesterday morning. I had just woken up and was still seeing blurry, but noticed two streams, both missing the target. I lowered myself so far that any observer would have thought I was trying to hump the toilet. Damn pubic hairs...


Anyway, Bogtrot you make a certain point, but you fail to mention that JC was, well, a FRESHMAN his freshman year under constant harassment playing with a gutted out team and horrid line. He had elbow surgery. His sophomore year, the line was not much better. You mention his poor footwork. I think playing on one foot for most of last year may have something to do with that. You may well turn out to be correct with JC's pro career, but it seems absurd to say that he "had" bad technique during his college days, given his success and accuracy as a passer. IMO he was also doing what he was coached to do.

 

[BestBIrish47]

Damn it Neutered... you come in making me laugh...then make a solid point.... nice work

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Damn it Neutered... you come in making me laugh...then make a solid point.... nice work

Well, if it wasn't for the fact that I had to clean up afterward, then pay an environmental fee for the spilling of hazardous chemical waste, I would have been proud of myself.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Anyway, Bogtrot you make a certain point, but you fail to mention that JC was, well, a FRESHMAN his freshman year under constant harassment playing with a gutted out team and horrid line. He had elbow surgery. His sophomore year, the line was not much better. You mention his poor footwork. I think playing on one foot for most of last year may have something to do with that. You may well turn out to be correct with JC's pro career, but it seems absurd to say that he "had" bad technique during his college days, given his success and accuracy as a passer. IMO he was also doing what he was coached to do.

Sorry man I didn't mean to say I didn't like Jimmy, his footwork is fine, it (he) is a little slow. He did a great job with the pressure he was under, both on and off the field. The bigger point is "you don't have to be stellar to win." If you want my bottom line, Notre Dame hasn't played like the team I grew up watching for years. A faster quarterback with less talent may have done as well or even won more games. Foot speed is a great predictor. What was it Bear said? Cracked me up when I was a kid. Someone asked him how he got so lucky. He replied, “I don’t rightly know, I recruit(s) speed, and luck follows!”

If you look at how much faster ND will be this year at key positions, my just be a great predictor: QB, MLB, etc. AND by the way, I think the offensive line keeps getting a raw deal. Talk about a unit that was the nexus of confusion and poor coaching! Bulking these guys up for a smash-mouth game, then trying to get them to master a finesse (speed) game! See, a line like that would have done better with a quarterback with lesser overall skill and more foot speed - with the great WR's ant TE's ND has as a constant. I wouldn't change anything about Jimmy, and I hope he proves everyone wrong, especially Terry Bradshaw. By the way, if you didn't catch it Joe Montana was his idea of the best quarterback, ever.

You know no one got over on me for misspelling Charlie's name. Sorry about that too.

 

[TDHeysus]

In the next year or so, we will have all our answers. I don't think Clausen will adjust to the speed of the game at the pro level. Call me crazy, a whole lot of the problems he had his first year, and into his second was not adjusting to the speed at the college level, and frankly, he has two brothers before him, that didn't adjust either.

Crazy, JC's problem was adjusting to the speed of the oncoming defensive linemen that were coming at him nearly unimpeded and any QB will struggle with that. Are you saying the reason that JC was sacked a record 68 times, was because he couldnt adjust to the speed of the game? Are you forgetting what talent was on the roster that year? You had willinghams players, and Sam Young. Did you actually watch those games during JC's career at ND, or did you read/hear/see highlights it like Bradshaw did?

28TDs to 4INTs is a stat that cant be faked, twisted, or turned to mean anything other than a QB making good decisions, delivering the ball on time.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Sorry man I didn't mean to say I didn't like Jimmy, his footwork is fine, it (he) is a little slow. He did a great job with the pressure he was under, both on and off the field. The bigger point is "you don't have to be stellar to win." If you want my bottom line, Notre Dame hasn't played like the team I grew up watching for years. A faster quarterback with less talent may have done as well or even won more games. Foot speed is a great predictor. What was it Bear said? Cracked me up when I was a kid. Someone asked him how he got so lucky. He replied, “I don’t rightly know, I recruit(s) speed, and luck follows!”

If you look at how much faster ND will be this year at key positions, my just be a great predictor: QB, MLB, etc. AND by the way, I think the offensive line keeps getting a raw deal. Talk about a unit that was the nexus of confusion and poor coaching! Bulking these guys up for a smash-mouth game, then trying to get them to master a finesse (speed) game! See, a line like that would have done better with a quarterback with lesser overall skill and more foot speed - with the great WR's ant TE's ND has as a constant. I wouldn't change anything about Jimmy, and I hope he proves everyone wrong, especially Terry Bradshaw. By the way, if you didn't catch it Joe Montana was his idea of the best quarterback, ever.

You know no one got over on me for misspelling Charlie's name. Sorry about that too.

My goodness. Are you Mbecka? You contradict yourself with every word and post.

"Foot speed is a great predictor"? Are you serious? How about results that JC posted on one foot? I would say his results may be a better predictor after the fact than the prognostication. You do raise some good points, but I think it has mostly to do with a not so great coaching staff rather than any justification of your or Bradshaw's opinion.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

My goodness. Are you Mbecka? You contradict yourself with every word and post.

"Foot speed is a great predictor"? Are you serious? How about results that JC posted on one foot? I would say his results may be a better predictor after the fact than the prognostication. You do raise some good points, but I think it has mostly to do with a not so great coaching staff rather than any justification of your or Bradshaw's opinion.

Possibly Mbeckha....or is it one of the bottom feeders from DomerDomain??? Hmmmm???

 

[NDCasey]

Clausen will be OK, sounds like TB forgot what it's like. He wasnt supposed to be any good. I like Bradshaw, Clausen will be better than Sanchez and TB loves Sanchez

 

[Lou Holtz]

He has as much sense as hair

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

He has as much sense as hair

Well, I would agree with you and rep you, but one single pubic hair diverted my urinic stream and led me to agree with the Mayan prophecy that the world will end in 2012.

I am stocking up with canned beautiful bean footage.

Roll that beautiful bean footage! Video

 

[military_irish]

it seems like people don'y rad the links sometimes.

Anyway Bradshaw says he doesn't like Jimmy's motion and uses topo much arm

Reminder: Jimmy had 2 torn ligaments in his foot so he had to use all arm. That is not his natural motion. Thats the same thing that McShay was harping about. Do some research

come on now you can't work at ESPN if you know how to do research.

some of there main criteria is..

1) unable to do research
2) Have "sources" that aren't really informitive
3) over glorify the winners and stomp on the losers, or just people they hate
4) hire previous athletes that don't know about the sport

 

[Riddickulous]

Clawson is half of a karate training command, combined with Clawsoff.

Clawson, Clawsoff, Clawson, Clawsoff.

Boooooooooo.

Bradshaw and Rapistberger have one thing in common... they're both complete idiots who win on Sundays.

Rapistberger. lol

I certainly wish Jimmy and Golden were both coming back.

I do look very much forward to this year with the new blood though. They have to gain experience somewhere.

Bradshaw is washed up, old, and I'm surprised his Hulk Hogan little brother retarded looking ass can even move his neck fast enough to track Jimmy's throwing motion.

Funny stuff.

Gotta hate it when that happens. Happened to me yesterday morning. I had just woken up and was still seeing blurry, but noticed two streams, both missing the target. I lowered myself so far that any observer would have thought I was trying to hump the toilet. Damn pubic hairs...

That's just friggin' disturbing.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

That's just friggin' disturbing.

You of all people should know about twice polarized pp.

 

[Riddickulous]

You of all people should know about twice polarized pp.

Touche.

 

[IrishAddiction]

Jimmy moved very very well in the pocket but lacks that elusive scrambling Micheal Vick speed the cops are all talking about, does seem to have a slow release on long balls but can chuck the ball 70 yards accurately... ball protection in the open field after breaking the LOS i think will be a problem, which was never fully fixed while at ND. Then again, hes not going to be an option QB, so who cares. Leadership (NFL version) is a question mark, but we will find out soon enough.

Everyones entitled to their opinion, including Bradshaw.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Jimmy moved very very well in the pocket but lacks that elusive scrambling Micheal Vick speed the cops are all talking about, does seem to have a slow release on long balls but can chuck the ball 70 yards accurately... ball protection in the open field after breaking the LOS i think will be a problem, which was never fully fixed while at ND. Then again, hes not going to be an option QB, so who cares. Leadership (NFL version) is a question mark, but we will find out soon enough.

Everyones entitled to their opinion, including Bradshaw.

Look at JaMarcus Russell.

 

[mokpra37]

Put TB on any team in the 70s' other than the Steelers and he doesn't win one superbowl. Put any of 15 other quarterbacks from the 70's on the Steelers and they still win 4 superbowls. Defense, Franco Harris and a couple of receivers that caught anything remotely close to them (and most were only remotely close) were what won those superbowls.
Finally, about as close as Bradshaw came to 28TDs and 4Picks in his college career was having 4 picks in one game..not one year. What an ass.

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

Am I the only one that has trouble taking opinions seriously when a poster misspells a guys name in his post?For the love of God it's Clausen!!

No you are not. I have mispelled names before. But I agree with you.

I am always in a quandry, when some people think that a qb, running back or receiver or any other skill player is supposed to be the same. There are many different styles in not only football but all sports. Coming from college there are typically weaknesses to be worked on by every player. Can Clausen improve his game? Yes. Will he need to improve his game? Yes. Why does Clausen not get the benefit of the transition? These same analyst that say on one hand a player is or is not ready for the NFL, will say such and such player has made the transition from college to pro. Which by the way, normally takes 2-3 years. (Look at Brees for instance.) I don't imagine any Clausen fan, myself included, thinks he will go out and be the best quarterback in the NFL his first season. There is obviously a learnng curve. Even, Sanchez has to improve. Clausen, is no scrambler, but neither was Marino or Faust, and neither is Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. (Not saying Clausen is in this class, heck he has to have a chance to prove himself or not) Now typically slower non scrambling quaterbacks have to compensate by having a quick release and or reading defenses very well.

Even the best have to learn, Manning has the record for most pics in a season, his rookie season, but now instead of making an ill advised throw, when pressured if he can't get rid of the ball out of bounds, he takes the sack, he just goes down in the backfield, and lives to throw on another down. plus for not being a scrambler he does avoid the rush. Now again I am not claiming Clausen is as good as Manning is, or ever will be. I am only saying that even a quarterback as great as Peyton Manning, had to learn and make improvements in his game. Trust me, if he continued to throw as many pics as he did rookie season, he would not be in the NFL today.

I am a believer in once is a fluke, twice is a trend and three times is a habit. One good year doesn't really impress me. Two good years you've got my attention, and three I feel you are legitimate. I have seen many average players emerge as great and I have seen many great college players flop. Where does Clausen fit in? Who knows? But I am willing to wait and give the kid a chance.

 

[phork]

You know no one got over on me for misspelling Charlie's name. Sorry about that too.

I got you.

Put TB on any team in the 70s' other than the Steelers and he doesn't win one superbowl. Put any of 15 other quarterbacks from the 70's on the Steelers and they still win 4 superbowls. Defense, Franco Harris and a couple of receivers that caught anything remotely close to them (and most were only remotely close) were what won those superbowls.
Finally, about as close as Bradshaw came to 28TDs and 4Picks in his college career was having 4 picks in one game..not one year. What an ass.

True dat. Trent Dilfer is another example. Wins a SB with the Raven, only because their defense killed people, literally.

 

[TDHeysus]

Jimmy moved very very well in the pocket but lacks that elusive scrambling Micheal Vick speed the cops are all talking about, does seem to have a slow release on long balls but can chuck the ball 70 yards accurately... ball protection in the open field after breaking the LOS i think will be a problem, which was never fully fixed while at ND. Then again, hes not going to be an option QB, so who cares. Leadership (NFL version) is a question mark, but we will find out soon enough..

JC is a 'old skool' pocket passer - ala dan marino, joe montana. he will never be, nor has he wanted to be a QB with speed. He does have a slow release on a 'down the field' pass, but he isnt playing for the Raidahs, so it doesnt matter. He throws darts on the 25yard out pass, which few QB's in the NFL can do as accurately, and crisp. (Cutler comes to mind) (25yard out pass requires strength, accuracy, proper timing....he nails it consistantly). His leadership is in question as any rookie QB entering the nfl would.
I think JC is in a good position in Carolina, the starting job wont be handed to him but I think he will be starting sometime this year.

Look at JaMarcus Russell.

I'd rather forget about J. Sizzurp Russell

 

[DaLastFarleyite]

What was Bradshaw's winning percentage in college? Anybody know?

 

[military_irish]

What was Bradshaw's winning percentage in college? Anybody know?

his two biggest seasons which were his junior and senior years his record was 17-4 i believe. (just what i found on a quick look-up of it)

 

[fortwayne_nd]

Is that like crossing the streams? I almost did that the other night at a concert while peing..... it was doing that weird thing where it sprays in a V....LOL

Careful with that crossing the streams shit, friend. If the guys on Ghostbusters are right, crossing the streams will bring on the Apocalypse.

 

[INFIDEL STRONG]

this commercial sums it up lol..
Watch Video Adidas CommercialJoe Montana returns to College Football at blinkx

 

[irish1958]

Give Terry a break; he probably forgot to take his lithium that day. With that defense, Franko Harris and the receiving core, and superb coaching, I suspect even Kyle Orton might have won.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

Clausen has best chance out all QBs drafted I think so prove em wrong Jimmy prove them wrong.

 

[johnnykillz]

this commercial sums it up lol..
Watch Video Adidas CommercialJoe Montana returns to College Football at blinkx

Amen my friend. What a GREAT commercial. Truly splendid capture of what it means to most of us...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Who gives a $hit what he thinks. He's a manic-depressent who shits his pants every time someone cranks up the microwave and when the movie Dumb and Dumber comes on the TV, he feels on par...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

July 19, 2010
No Blarney: The Week In Review
by JOHN HAYNSWORTH

Terry Vs. Jimmy
Four-time Super Bowl champ Terry Bradshaw minced few words when offering his opinion of Jimmy Clausen in a recent interview with the South Bend Tribune.

“Let me say what I said before earlier up to the (NFL) draft,” Bradshaw began about Clausen. “I didn't like him in college and I don't like him now. I never did like him. I don't like his delivery. I don't like his motion. I think he's too slow.

“Physically, the way he threw the football, I just didn't like him. (There's) way too much shoulder action. (He's) just another guy as far as I'm concerned.”

This is sure to put Bradshaw squarely in the crosshairs of the Notre Dame fanbase, but I really don’t have a problem with it at all. Frankly, it’s a lot more credible than the backroom rumors ESPN’s Todd McShay has been passing off as truth since the day Clausen made himself eligible for this past April’s draft.

Bradshaw took shots at Clausen’s game, and qualified that his impressions were based only from television footage rather than live action. During the years I covered Clausen, I never once saw Bradshaw nor McShay on Notre Dame’s campus. At least Bradshaw had the decency to acknowledge as much while he was slamming the former Irish quarterback.

Honestly, I’m glad to see that a bunch of yards and a sub-.500 record haven’t earned Clausen automatic respect in the League, despite where he spent his college years. Notre Dame fans think Clausen is talented, and we’ve seen glimpses to support that opinion. But if Clausen hadn’t donned the Blue and Gold over the past three years, I honestly wouldn’t give him much respect, either, especially if I had not followed his college career all that closely.

Here’s to hoping Clausen proves all of his doubters – public and closet – wrong.

The problem isn't in the disagreeing; it’s in personalizing the results. My eyes have been opened. I didn’t express my opinion to be agreed with, I am sure that is also true for Bradshaw. But I didn’t expect anyone to be attacked this way either.

My point is consistent, Notre Dame hasn’t had enough team speed (at multiple positions), and bowing to a cult of personality and the drama that surrounds it can’t make up for such shortcomings, not if we really expect a return to glory. (Where do you think the red zone woes came from? Where is a lack of speed more clearly illustrated? Again, it’s not just one player!)

You need real talent to excel at the next level. Bradshaw should know; McShay doesn’t.

I’ve been to a few games at Notre Dame, and every fan I have ever seen is respectful of the opponent’s fans, no matter how raucous they are.

The best line of Haynsworth's article is the last, a point with which we all agree.

 

[phgreek]

Everyones entitled to their opinion, including Bradshaw.

Hmmm...freedom of speech does not indemnify TB from the verbal wrath of other folks when he says something stupid...just means we can't stop him from sayinging it...but we can still pile on him for beeing an unprofessional dumbass...

to me its simple...every person on the face of the earth knows when they are being attacked, vs. criticized....yea I guess TB may have tried to save it...but sounded like an attack to me...being in his business, and a former QB, I would expect some professionalism and professional respect for a guy in a position.

I liked TB...have been a Steeler fan all my life. I have not been enamored with the guy's body of work since he retired from the NFL, but he can usually make me laugh. I think his bashing of JC was bullshit...he deserved to have his ass kicked, and should expect it.

At this point, I can say Terry isn't my kind of guy...and hey Terry the "Terry" w/4 rings could just as easily been Hanratty...in retrospect I'd like that better...