Jimmy should have stayed at ND?

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One of my friends, who is not a ND fan (so not a true friend lol) sent me a text saying it was a mistake for Clausen to have skipped his senior.

My response is to the text was simply Clausen is the most prepared QB for the NFL.
Clausen assumed that NFL scouts would realize this too, but apparently.

Basically what my point is...

Clausen made the right decision to enter the NFL draft.
The NFL scouts are the ones making the mistake at not signing Clausen.
 

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Clausen is nfl ready it would have been nice for me if he would have stayed but realistically he got screwed he was definitely ready
 

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Yea, I would say jimmy is a bit disappointed, it has to hurt the ego a bit, but i said this during the season-i dont think $$$ is the bottom line with him and family. You would have to think the right fit is important to him. He'll have his chance to prove himself, and the $$ will come. It was very weird to watch the BQ scenario play out again.
 

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Yea, I would say jimmy is a bit disappointed, it has to hurt the ego a bit, but i said this during the season-i dont think $$$ is the bottom line with him and family. You would have to think the right fit is important to him. He'll have his chance to prove himself, and the $$ will come. It was very weird to watch the BQ scenario play out again.

Yeah. Not all teams need a top quality QB at first. Wherever he goes, he will still need to prove himself. Again. And again.
 

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I just don't understand why no team would want him?

He played in a pro-style offense, he played under a highly respected NFL OC, and he played most of the season with a serious injury.

Even Mel Kiper had him as a better player than Bradford... I don't understand.
 

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It may be the best situation for him though. He definately should have come out in this draft. If he had stayed he would have had toearn a whole new offense without his favorite target so it was the right time to come out but it just happened to be a very deep draft and I think the mcnabb trade really screwed him because the skins loved him from everything I have heard fom my boy who worksfor them. I wouldn't rule out someone trading upctocget him early in the second though.
 

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I just don't understand why no team would want him?

He played in a pro-style offense, he played under a highly respected NFL OC, and he played most of the season with a serious injury.

Even Mel Kiper had him as a better player than Bradford... I don't understand.

I dont know if it is that they didn't want him, but needing to fill a bigger hole on their team.
 

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technically, bradford was the only qb taken in the first round. tebow doesn't count since he'll never play qb other than clean up time. the stars simply weren't aligned for teams needing a franchise qb. nearly every team has signed at least one huge qb contract in the last two years for either a first round draft pick or a veteran.

i was really hoping that minnesota would take clausen. farve won't be around long and jackson isn't high enough quality for a long term starter. with that nasty o-line and a solid defense, it would be the ideal training grounds for a newbie. unlike oakland, cleveland, or buffalo. dear god, please don't let him go to those cities. first rounders go there to die.
 

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Which is why I'm hoping shannahan is watering at the mouth to get back into the draft to get Jimmy and let him develope for a couple years while mcnbb run the show.
 

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Also use this years remaining picks to fill holes and get project guys thy shannahan sees as potential starting talent, then with next years free agent class being amazing getting a couple guys who can immidiately impact the team for the better.
 

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Jimmy Clausen....

Jimmy Clausen....

He did not leave his Junior year to be drafted in the 2nd round. Did he make a mistake?

I am shocked, pissed, and embarrassed (mostly because of all the hate I will get at work and pure ND haters) But Tim Tebow getting drafted before him just adds to the complete awkwardness.

From John Clayton :

"Losers

1. Jimmy Clausen: The Notre Dame QB was clearly one of the biggest losers in recent drafts. As bad as it was for Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn to drop into the 20s in the first round, Clausen slipping into the second round will go down as one of the more surprising drops ever. Even worse for Clausen was the fact Tim Tebow went ahead of him when the Broncos picked the Florida QB with the 25th pick in the first round. Clausen was considered the second-best quarterback coming into the draft. To lose out to Tebow, who had to tweak his delivery to enhance his standing, is further embarrassment. For Clausen, things could get worse. Could the Cleveland Browns take Colt McCoy over him? Will the Buffalo Bills bypass him? Clausen clearly didn't leave Notre Dame with a year of eligibility remaining to not go in the first round. This was a disaster."


I am speechless....I can only hope Jimmy rips a new Ahole in the NFL and shuts everyone up.
 

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The worst thing about the situation is the fact that this is the first Thursday night draft, and now Clausen has to wait 18 hours or more, until he finds his home.

I'm sure Jimmy and his family had a rough night of sleep.

Best of luck Jimmy.
 

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Jimmy came out because the there is no Collective bargaining agreement in place fo rnext year and he would have lost money waiting until next year.
 

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I know everyone on this board hates McShay, but he called this. Kiper took his head off, but there seems to be a reason why NFL execs are staying away from him.

In the end, let's talk in 5 years. Then we'll know who was right.
 

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I can't believe everyone thinks it was a good idea for JC to enter the draft. Almost every NFL coach has stated that they want experience in the NFL, someone with the maturity to run a pro offense, and that college juniors generally don't have it.

JC is no exception, he doesn't have it. Coming out because of the money, so you don't get "screwed" out of collective bargaining, just shows you lack that maturity. What he should have done was stay in college and get the experience.

He didn't prove anything last year other than he can throw well. He didn't prove he can win, he didn't prove that he was ready for the NFL, he didn't prove crap. You can't run a 6-6 season on the field and then expect to go in the first round as a QB. I mean, are you serious? You have all the weapons you need to score and you go 6-6 and you jump to the NFL? No way.

Furthermore, if you listen to him in his interviews he has it in his head that he is the cats meow when it comes to QBs. Thats just BS, where is the proven track record to win? Its not there! McCoy, Tebow, Bradford.... As much as I hate each and everyone one of those people, they won games, and coincedentally, a lot of them.

JC was foolish to jump ship. Had he come out this year and played at ND and won, maybe thought of the team he played for and not himself, he might have been a first rounder next year. But to have the arrogance to think he was ready after accomplishing virtually nothing, besides breaking ND records, is just plain dumb.

He is obviously not a team player, and out for himself. He doesn't embody the toughness that comes with ND football. And quite frankly, he is one of the biggest dissapointments I have had in my ND fan tenure.

For anyone to say he deserved to be in the first round, is just plain retarded.
 

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I can't believe everyone thinks it was a good idea for JC to enter the draft. Almost every NFL coach has stated that they want experience in the NFL, someone with the maturity to run a pro offense, and that college juniors generally don't have it.

JC is no exception, he doesn't have it. Coming out because of the money, so you don't get "screwed" out of collective bargaining, just shows you lack that maturity. What he should have done was stay in college and get the experience.

He didn't prove anything last year other than he can throw well. He didn't prove he can win, he didn't prove that he was ready for the NFL, he didn't prove crap. You can't run a 6-6 season on the field and then expect to go in the first round as a QB. I mean, are you serious? You have all the weapons you need to score and you go 6-6 and you jump to the NFL? No way.

Furthermore, if you listen to him in his interviews he has it in his head that he is the cats meow when it comes to QBs. Thats just BS, where is the proven track record to win? Its not there! McCoy, Tebow, Bradford.... As much as I hate each and everyone one of those people, they won games, and coincedentally, a lot of them.

JC was foolish to jump ship. Had he come out this year and played at ND and won, maybe thought of the team he played for and not himself, he might have been a first rounder next year. But to have the arrogance to think he was ready after accomplishing virtually nothing, besides breaking ND records, is just plain dumb.

He is obviously not a team player, and out for himself. He doesn't embody the toughness that comes with ND football. And quite frankly, he is one of the biggest dissapointments I have had in my ND fan tenure.

For anyone to say he deserved to be in the first round, is just plain retarded.

WOW!!!! I could NOT have said it any better. Maybe if he would have won multiple national championships like he said he would then he may have been picked in the first round. I thought clausen was too cocky from the get go and he wont do much in the NFL just like Quinn. Well said dude. Mad props.
 

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I can't believe everyone thinks it was a good idea for JC to enter the draft. Almost every NFL coach has stated that they want experience in the NFL, someone with the maturity to run a pro offense, and that college juniors generally don't have it.

JC is no exception, he doesn't have it. Coming out because of the money, so you don't get "screwed" out of collective bargaining, just shows you lack that maturity. What he should have done was stay in college and get the experience.

He didn't prove anything last year other than he can throw well. He didn't prove he can win, he didn't prove that he was ready for the NFL, he didn't prove crap. You can't run a 6-6 season on the field and then expect to go in the first round as a QB. I mean, are you serious? You have all the weapons you need to score and you go 6-6 and you jump to the NFL? No way.

Furthermore, if you listen to him in his interviews he has it in his head that he is the cats meow when it comes to QBs. Thats just BS, where is the proven track record to win? Its not there! McCoy, Tebow, Bradford.... As much as I hate each and everyone one of those people, they won games, and coincedentally, a lot of them.

JC was foolish to jump ship. Had he come out this year and played at ND and won, maybe thought of the team he played for and not himself, he might have been a first rounder next year. But to have the arrogance to think he was ready after accomplishing virtually nothing, besides breaking ND records, is just plain dumb.

He is obviously not a team player, and out for himself. He doesn't embody the toughness that comes with ND football. And quite frankly, he is one of the biggest dissapointments I have had in my ND fan tenure.

For anyone to say he deserved to be in the first round, is just plain retarded.



Sadly i have to agree with you. The only way it was a good idea to enter the draft this year for JC was to go first round. With him goin in the 2nd, and lord forbid the 3rd round he gains nothing from the rookie cap limit.
 

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Weis better talk the Chiefs into picking him. Had it not been for Weis talking him into entering the draft, Clausen wouldn't be in this position. I agree that yes he shouldn't/deserved to go first round, but Tebow going before him, I don't get it. Yeah, he's a winner but he's still working on his mechanics.
 

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Relax!!! Jimmy is just fine. He slipped because the teams all drafted for NEED. There were only 1.5 QB's taken in the first round.
Bradford went to a pitiful situation. I would not have wanted to be him if I were Jimmy. I will take a lesser, MILLION DOLLAR, paycheck to go to a team that has a chance to win.
Tebow did not get drafted to be a QB. Denver is going to use him as a gadget. You will not be seeing Tebow playing QB for them other than some short yardage or goal line gadget plays.
Clausen now has a chance to be drafted by a team that has some talent around him.

As for you people bashing him not winning, last I checked most QB's don't play defense. He led an offense that put up plenty of points to win almost every game we played. The fact is our defense played absolutely HORRIBLE. Were you people watching the same games that I did. Please tell me what games you watched that you can honestly say, "JIMMY lost that one"??

Think about some of the games we won and lost.

Michigan - Jimmy played a great game. Made some very good passes only to have our defense allow the mighty UM march down and score in about 2 minutes.
USC - Jimmy basically ran for his life most of the day. He lead a comeback that would have been successful if not for a slip by the WR in the endzone.

Navy - The kid basically gives up his body trying to score a TD and gets knocked out. He played well, but our D gives up yards like they were free for the taking.

UConn - Again, Jimmy plays well, only to watch our D get gashed repeatedly by the Uconn running game.

Stanford - Jimmy plays fantastic, but the defense does not even both to make the trip to CA.

Finally, as for those saying that Jimmy is just not that good, where is that coming from. I hear from all the Bucknut fans around here about how Jimmy Sucks. I ask them, why? They say he is overrated. I ask if they have ever watched him? The answer, NO because they hate him. That is a great answer, NOT. If you want to judge, trully sit down and watch the kid play. I have watched every snap of his college career. In watching his tools, I can honestly say that the kid is the most accurate passer ND has ever had. The kid hits WR's in stride every time. If I were a WR, I would love to play for him. He never puts his WR in those stretched out and vulnerable positions. Quinn did that many times with Stovall and the Shark.

So, all you haters, go find another cause to bash!!!
 

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I can't believe everyone thinks it was a good idea for JC to enter the draft. Almost every NFL coach has stated that they want experience in the NFL, someone with the maturity to run a pro offense, and that college juniors generally don't have it.

JC is no exception, he doesn't have it. Coming out because of the money, so you don't get "screwed" out of collective bargaining, just shows you lack that maturity. What he should have done was stay in college and get the experience.

He didn't prove anything last year other than he can throw well. He didn't prove he can win, he didn't prove that he was ready for the NFL, he didn't prove crap. You can't run a 6-6 season on the field and then expect to go in the first round as a QB. I mean, are you serious? You have all the weapons you need to score and you go 6-6 and you jump to the NFL? No way.

Furthermore, if you listen to him in his interviews he has it in his head that he is the cats meow when it comes to QBs. Thats just BS, where is the proven track record to win? Its not there! McCoy, Tebow, Bradford.... As much as I hate each and everyone one of those people, they won games, and coincedentally, a lot of them.

JC was foolish to jump ship. Had he come out this year and played at ND and won, maybe thought of the team he played for and not himself, he might have been a first rounder next year. But to have the arrogance to think he was ready after accomplishing virtually nothing, besides breaking ND records, is just plain dumb.

He is obviously not a team player, and out for himself. He doesn't embody the toughness that comes with ND football. And quite frankly, he is one of the biggest dissapointments I have had in my ND fan tenure.

For anyone to say he deserved to be in the first round, is just plain retarded.

He went on the advice of Charlie Weiss and his agent Gary Wichard , who is one of the most sucessful agents out there.
 

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I can't believe everyone thinks it was a good idea for JC to enter the draft. Almost every NFL coach has stated that they want experience in the NFL, someone with the maturity to run a pro offense, and that college juniors generally don't have it.

JC is no exception, he doesn't have it. Coming out because of the money, so you don't get "screwed" out of collective bargaining, just shows you lack that maturity. What he should have done was stay in college and get the experience.

He didn't prove anything last year other than he can throw well. He didn't prove he can win, he didn't prove that he was ready for the NFL, he didn't prove crap. You can't run a 6-6 season on the field and then expect to go in the first round as a QB. I mean, are you serious? You have all the weapons you need to score and you go 6-6 and you jump to the NFL? No way.

Furthermore, if you listen to him in his interviews he has it in his head that he is the cats meow when it comes to QBs. Thats just BS, where is the proven track record to win? Its not there! McCoy, Tebow, Bradford.... As much as I hate each and everyone one of those people, they won games, and coincedentally, a lot of them.

JC was foolish to jump ship. Had he come out this year and played at ND and won, maybe thought of the team he played for and not himself, he might have been a first rounder next year. But to have the arrogance to think he was ready after accomplishing virtually nothing, besides breaking ND records, is just plain dumb.

He is obviously not a team player, and out for himself. He doesn't embody the toughness that comes with ND football. And quite frankly, he is one of the biggest dissapointments I have had in my ND fan tenure.

For anyone to say he deserved to be in the first round, is just plain retarded.

couldnt disagree more...just because he falls in the draft doesnt mean shit. Perfect case scenario JC goes the AFC West and reminds DEN of the dumbest pick of the draft twice a year for the next 10 years. even if DEN didnt make a trade for Orton, didnt make a trade for Quinn, trading up to get Tebow was not a smart move. Tebow was going to be there in the next round where DEN had pick #13 of the 2nd, Tebags would have still been there. Do you think DEN fans liked the pick? One of my closest, best friends is a lifelong DEN fan and was stunned by it. That is the thinking that JC is up against; coaches that trade up to get a player they could have got in the 2nd. even if a team would have took tebags in front of DEN at #13(2nd round), is Tebags that much of a talent that you just cant be without? DEN doesnt have any other needs to address thru the draft besides picking up a 3rd QB?

Ppl think this is soo bad for Clausen, but they wont be saying that if he winds up on a loaded Minnesota team. worst case for Clausen if he drops to the 2nd round and then still gets stuck on a bad team.

Getting drafted in the 2nd round, is still better than coming back for his senior year(for reasons previously laid out in this thread)
 
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I can't believe everyone thinks it was a good idea for JC to enter the draft. Almost every NFL coach has stated that they want experience in the NFL, someone with the maturity to run a pro offense, and that college juniors generally don't have it.

JC is no exception, he doesn't have it. Coming out because of the money, so you don't get "screwed" out of collective bargaining, just shows you lack that maturity. What he should have done was stay in college and get the experience.

He didn't prove anything last year other than he can throw well. He didn't prove he can win, he didn't prove that he was ready for the NFL, he didn't prove crap. You can't run a 6-6 season on the field and then expect to go in the first round as a QB. I mean, are you serious? You have all the weapons you need to score and you go 6-6 and you jump to the NFL? No way.

Furthermore, if you listen to him in his interviews he has it in his head that he is the cats meow when it comes to QBs. Thats just BS, where is the proven track record to win? Its not there! McCoy, Tebow, Bradford.... As much as I hate each and everyone one of those people, they won games, and coincedentally, a lot of them.

JC was foolish to jump ship. Had he come out this year and played at ND and won, maybe thought of the team he played for and not himself, he might have been a first rounder next year. But to have the arrogance to think he was ready after accomplishing virtually nothing, besides breaking ND records, is just plain dumb.

He is obviously not a team player, and out for himself. He doesn't embody the toughness that comes with ND football. And quite frankly, he is one of the biggest dissapointments I have had in my ND fan tenure.

For anyone to say he deserved to be in the first round, is just plain retarded.


This post is just not thought out. First of all you say you cant go from a 6-6 season to a first round draft pick. So its better to play 3 games like Bradford did, have a major injury and bypass a year of eligibility? How does your thought make any sense? Bradford didnt even play and got the #1 pick. Obviously your theory is way off here.

Second of all, you say JC doesnt have the maturity to runa pro offense. While I greatly disagree with you, as do most scouts who say he can run a pro offense, I ask you what would he have gained by coming back? Would running Brian Kelly's spread offense helped him mature in a pro style offense? Yea, I really dont think so.

And finally, you say he doesnt embody toughness, and is only out for himself. Is that your opinion? Or is that Golden Tate's? Or Michael Floyd's? Or Eric Olsen's? Or Brian Smith's? Seems to me you just dont like Clausen, especially when his teammates, who I would just venture to guess know him a little better than you do, have nothing but praise for him. And how in the world can you say he is not tough? He should have had season ending surgery after the 3rd game, but played through it for the rest of the season.

Really though, great post, well thought out, obviously.
 

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I can't believe everyone thinks it was a good idea for JC to enter the draft. Almost every NFL coach has stated that they want experience in the NFL, someone with the maturity to run a pro offense, and that college juniors generally don't have it.

JC is no exception, he doesn't have it. Coming out because of the money, so you don't get "screwed" out of collective bargaining, just shows you lack that maturity. What he should have done was stay in college and get the experience.

How does him coming back for his senior season to run a spread offense help him get the maturity to run a pro style offense? He was a 3 year starter in a pro offense, his decision making was much improved this year, and physically he wasn't going to get much better? So why come back? Your logic is just outright flawed.

He didn't prove anything last year other than he can throw well. He didn't prove he can win, he didn't prove that he was ready for the NFL, he didn't prove crap. You can't run a 6-6 season on the field and then expect to go in the first round as a QB. I mean, are you serious? You have all the weapons you need to score and you go 6-6 and you jump to the NFL? No way.

Last time I checked football was a team game, we sucked AS A TEAM last year!! Those that blame last year all on Jimmy just want to hate. Nothing new I guess. All I can say is he is a major reason we were 6-6 and not 3-9.I agree winning on the college level is great, but at some point you have to set that aside and judge an individual on his physical skills.Ask Charlie Ward, Tommy Frasier, Danny Wuerfel, Troy Smith, etc... how well winning on the college level prepares you for the NFL, you can either get it done physically and mentally or you can't. I don't think that the physical part is the issue with Clausen.

Furthermore, if you listen to him in his interviews he has it in his head that he is the cats meow when it comes to QBs. Thats just BS, where is the proven track record to win? Its not there! McCoy, Tebow, Bradford.... As much as I hate each and everyone one of those people, they won games, and coincedentally, a lot of them.

I haven't really heard many of his recent interviews so I can't pass judgement on that, but I know he has basically said he has worked his entire life to be the best QB he can be so he make up for his brothers getting passed over. How do you really blame the kid for having an inflated ego when he was being called the "Lebron James" of football coming out of high school? He's like a lot of these kids that take all the BS being fed them as recruits and buying into the hype. But because he played one of the toughest positions in sports he gets crucified for it.

JC was foolish to jump ship. Had he come out this year and played at ND and won, maybe thought of the team he played for and not himself, he might have been a first rounder next year. But to have the arrogance to think he was ready after accomplishing virtually nothing, besides breaking ND records, is just plain dumb.

Golden Tate, who by the way talks as much smack as I have seen out of any ND player, didn't accomplish anything besides records either. He might have improved his draft stock if he came back and won, but he is leaving early as well. Where is the outrage? If we are mediocre this year and Rudolph, Floyd, and T.Robinson all left early would you be as upset? Since basically they would have won nothing, but chose to move on anyway. You will be just as upset and critical of them as well right?


He is obviously not a team player, and out for himself. He doesn't embody the toughness that comes with ND football. And quite frankly, he is one of the biggest dissapointments I have had in my ND fan tenure.

Doesn't embody the toughness of ND football? So playing on a bad foot for 9 games when he could have shut it down and watched his team go down the toilet doesn't do it for you? Playing on a team with no run game, a porous O-line, and no defense for 3 years, getting killed as a freshman, and yet showing up every day to lead his team the best he can, while never throwing anyone under the bus, doesn't show toughness? I just wonder what it takes to be "ND tough" these days?

For anyone to say he deserved to be in the first round, is just plain retarded.

Guess there are a whole lot of retarded scouts and analysts and GM's out there.
 
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there is so much homerdom in this thread it is amazing.

i agree to a certain extent with golden domer and those that agreed with him. i also applaud you guys for not blindly following our guys.

they talked about it last night... it seems some teams didnt care for his attitude and demeanor. thats a huge thing right now. there were plenty of teams who had a need at qb now or looking a year ahead.

fact is that nobody really cared for clausen that much. if they did he would have gone, he would have had someone even trade up to get him. but they didnt.

one of the numbnuts on espn said his physical attributes arent head and shoulders above and they dont make up for his demeanor.


btw at what point is golden tate supposed to get drafted?
 

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I'm not sure if anyone heard this, but as ESPN was coming back from Commercial Gruden was showing Kiper a text message he wrote and said "The league is full of dumbass coaches." He and Mel laughed about that for a bit.

In regards to Jimmy - it's a tough break, but the character concerns seem to be real. However, there is going to be one lucky team to get a solid first rounder for second round money. Wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland (ND experiment #2) or Weis at Kansas City makes a move within the first 5 picks.
 

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Folks,
Relax!!! Jimmy is just fine. He slipped because the teams all drafted for NEED. There were only 1.5 QB's taken in the first round.
Bradford went to a pitiful situation. I would not have wanted to be him if I were Jimmy. I will take a lesser, MILLION DOLLAR, paycheck to go to a team that has a chance to win.
Tebow did not get drafted to be a QB. Denver is going to use him as a gadget. You will not be seeing Tebow playing QB for them other than some short yardage or goal line gadget plays.

I find it hard to believe that Denver would give up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks to get Tebow to use him as a "gadget". Considering what they gave up to get him, I can only assume that they think he can be a franchise, every down quarterback.
 

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This post is just not thought out. First of all you say you cant go from a 6-6 season to a first round draft pick. So its better to play 3 games like Bradford did, have a major injury and bypass a year of eligibility? How does your thought make any sense? Bradford didnt even play and got the #1 pick. Obviously your theory is way off here.

Second of all, you say JC doesnt have the maturity to runa pro offense. While I greatly disagree with you, as do most scouts who say he can run a pro offense, I ask you what would he have gained by coming back? Would running Brian Kelly's spread offense helped him mature in a pro style offense? Yea, I really dont think so.

And finally, you say he doesnt embody toughness, and is only out for himself. Is that your opinion? Or is that Golden Tate's? Or Michael Floyd's? Or Eric Olsen's? Or Brian Smith's? Seems to me you just dont like Clausen, especially when his teammates, who I would just venture to guess know him a little better than you do, have nothing but praise for him. And how in the world can you say he is not tough? He should have had season ending surgery after the 3rd game, but played through it for the rest of the season.

Really though, great post, well thought out, obviously.

My post was actually thought out quite well.

Saying that if you come back for a fourth season you may get injured is just plain ignorant. This is a game of hitting, and that's just a fact. You can't make all your decisions like you are scared of getting injured. You take on a certain amount of risk when you play this game. And if you really are good enough (Sam Bradford) It doesn't really matter in the end. Plus, Tebow, and McCoy both came back, neither got hurt, and both were good enough to be drafted their junior years. So, how does your thought make any sense?

Coincidentally, making this decision shows a lot about your personality. 1. You really aren't that tough because you are scared of getting hurt. And maybe, you should find a game like golf to play. Maybe that's why Tebow went first, he has proven these traits.

2. Maturity, and this is the biggest. I said that he didn't have the maturity to run a pro offense. I misspoke, I meant he didn't have the maturity to run AN OFFENSE in THE PROs, regardless of the style. We all know he can run the pro style offense, he did it for three years... You gain maturity by ageing and playing the game and another year in college would go a long way to show that. The style he played would really only help him understand more about the game of football, and would probably not hurt him in the slightest. Actually, tell me how running a different style offense would hurt him?

Chasing the money. Chasing money shows a tremendous lack of maturity. He said in one of his post season interviews that coming to ND was purely a BUSINESS DECISION... One, coming to ND should never be a BUSINESS DECISION. The history, legends, and mystic of ND does not warrant a BUSINESS DECISION. The expectations are too high, the fan base wants results, we expect more. So, to come simply to get to the money shows immaturity.

On the business decision...If you come to play football at ND as a business decision, I don't want you! Go to USC or MU. Go to a school that doesn't matter. But don't come to my ND. I expect more maturity from a student who goes to a school like ND. I expect you to be a little different, smarter, more mature, harder working, in a word, special.

You can't make a business decision and play as a team member. Because not every member came there with the same thing in mind. He came to get to the pros, whatever the cost. He should have come to play for Notre Dame, not Jimmy Clausen. Playing football at Notre Dame is not a means to a personal end. Playing at ND means much much more than that. As a fan, I expect the legacy to be held up. I expect the players to come to ND and fight for the ND tradition, not make a business decision and jump ship because its best for a single player. If you come to the ND legacy, leave a legacy.

For those of you who say he didn't play defense...Ok, well, you say that the Offense put up enough points to win the game. Well, it goes like this, if at the end of the game, your team has fewer points than the other, you DID NOT put up enough points to win. It's called math. We can play the blame game all day, but in the end, there were not enough points put up. Period.

I've not said he was a bad player. I've said he made a bad decision going to the pros early, and he did not accomplish anything FOR Notre Dame football and the ND family.

I'm not saying the draft has turned out personally bad for Clausen. I'm saying this is no duh. It serves him, and everyone else, right for thinking he was a first rounder. The point of him leaving was to be a first round pick, and now that he's not, he missed the point. He should have showed the maturity he talks about and stayed.

As far as Tate goes, he's a WR, doesn't need the same team leadership the QB does. Totally different position with different responsibilities. I got nothin but love for him and his decision.

Personally, I defended JC though the 3-9, 6-7, and the 6-6, saying he was good and would still turn the program around. He would live up to the hype, he would bring ND back into relevance. I was a JC fan, until he made a school like ND a Business Decision.

I think I got all the haters out there.
 

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they talked about it last night... it seems some teams didnt care for his attitude and demeanor. thats a huge thing right now. there were plenty of teams who had a need at qb now or looking a year ahead.

fact is that nobody really cared for clausen that much. if they did he would have gone, he would have had someone even trade up to get him. but they didnt.

That's why so many teams took quarterbacks other than Clausen, in the first round?
 
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