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Delany, Big Ten may swallow Irish in expansive landscape - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com

April 6, 2010
By Dennis Dodd
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

INDIANAPOLIS -- Jim Delany is the smartest man in the room. No, really. Six years ago, I named him the most relevant person in college football. Nothing has changed. If anything, the designation for the Big Ten commissioner was too modest.


Jack Swarbrick and Brian Kelly need to think seriously about conference affiliation. (AP) Delany's clout runs through all of college athletics and is significant. Someday soon, if you believe the rumblings in college sports, the equivalent of a killer asteroid is about to hit. After soaking up the conference expansion vibe for four days at the Final Four, I get the feeling that Delany could be planning one of the most brilliant power plays in the history of college athletics.
He -- officially, his conference -- could force Notre Dame to join the Big Ten. No mating dance as in the past, just a ruthless corporate takeover.

Every casual conversation regarding expansion here seemed to start with the sentence, "The Big Ten is going to do something ..." That has become as much of an assumption as the tournament expanding to 96 teams. The Big Ten said in December it is exploring expansion. The NCAA had a press conference here Thursday to lay out the parameters for a 96-team whoop-de-do. The only question is which will come first.

All of this is still speculation. The Big Ten could do nothing, although few at this point seem to believe it. Already the conference has hired a financial institution to vet potential new members. A search firm has identified 15 possible expansion candidates.

So let's start with the Big Ten expanding to 12 teams, splitting into two divisions and staging a championship game. Except we're aiming too low. Through the entire process, there has existed the possibility that the Big Ten could be that killer asteroid.

Why not go to 12, or 14 teams? Why not blow up the conference landscape and add five schools and go to 16? In that scenario, Notre Dame would be sort of an athletic outlier. Nearby, Purdue and Indiana could be pulling in $25 million a year in an expanded Big Ten for doing little in football. Despite the recent downturn on the field, ND rival Michigan would be getting richer and more powerful.

It almost makes Notre Dame's $15 million-per-year contract with NBC look inadequate.

It could happen if the Big Ten makes an end run and first rips apart the Big East. For years there has been speculation that the Big East was too vulnerable in football with only eight members. It barely hung on after the ACC raid. It is unwieldy in basketball with 16 members. The league is, at best, fourth in revenue produced among BCS leagues.

So call it Connecticut, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Rutgers to the Big Ten. It doesn't really matter. Replace Rutgers with Missouri, fine. Either way, the Big East wouldn't have enough members to have a viable football conference, per NCAA rules. It would be a diminished basketball league.


And Notre Dame wouldn't have a place for its other sports, most of which play in the Big East; this is an all or nothing proposition.

At that point, Irish power brokers would have to think seriously about conference football affiliation. That's what Notre Dame ND Jack Swarbrick was referring to last month in New York when he said if changes were "seismic" enough, his school would have to reconsider its independent status.

Swarbrick basically reiterated those comments last week in Kansas City.

" ... Everything is so unusual right now that you can envision situations where the world changes," Swarbrick told the Kansas City Star. "We hope it doesn't. We don't want it to.

"But we're monitoring that."

The New York-Kansas City statements are as far to the left that any Notre Dame administrator has leaned on the subject of independence. They suggest that Swarbrick knows that he might have to do something radical. Playing neutral site games against the likes of Washington State and Army just isn't getting it. Without conference affiliation or recent national championship hopes, it's basically BCS bowl or bust for ND each year. How about being able to play for a Rose Bowl berth every year?

Delany has a chance not just to reshape the college athletic landscape, but to take it over. Think of a conference that stretches basically from Kansas City to the Atlantic Ocean. At this point, it's not so much about the other teams that join. It's about forcing Notre Dame to make a move. Any Big Ten configuration that includes the Irish enhances the conference's value immensely.

The Big Ten Network is Delany's creation and, since December 2008, a profitable revenue stream. The Big Ten (Big 16?) would be the dominant conference in recruiting areas from the Midwest to New England. The network would be telling those recruits about it every day of the year.

If all that interest drives more folks to watch the BTN in the New York area, you kind of get where this going. It is has much about market share as it is about football excellence.

When the SEC finalized its ESPN/CBS 15-year, $3 billion deal last summer, a lot of us wrote that the conference was taking over the world. Turns out, it was trying to play catch up with the Big Ten. The domino effect may be just starting. If the Big Ten goes to 16, we're talking two eight-team divisions and a potentially mega-championship game. Indianapolis was on fire for the Final Four. Think about a weekend here surrounding a Michigan-Ohio State championship game at Lucas Oil Stadium.

If the Big Ten goes nuts, the ACC may feel compelled to stay competitive and expand itself with Big East leftovers. That conference is currently in negotiations for a new TV deal creating a reason to get bigger -- and richer. The Boston Globe hinted at such major expansion and realignment in a weekend story about Boston College's basketball coaching search.

The rumblings are out there. I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying the components are in place for it to happen.

Only the man at the controls of that killer asteroid knows for sure

Thoughts?
 
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The only issue is how all the conference expansions affect ND's schedule. There is no other reason for them to join any conference.
 

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my thoughts are if we still Indy our schedule will be smashed by 3/4 sports personalities nation wide... if we join a conference; whichever this is will be bashed and tagged as cupcake overnight instantly giving the haters the fuel they need...

as far as what i think is best... I trust Swar. and Co. will make the right decision either way
 

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I love how big ten people think playing for a rose bowl birth is a big deal! who cares about the rose bowl outside of usc,osu,michigan, psu and their fans? when was the last time the rose bowl had NC implications? the slow ten is the most overated football conferance the world and ND doesnt need to panic in the face of this hostile takeover!

ohh and "F" michigan!
 

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I love how big ten people think playing for a rose bowl birth is a big deal! who cares about the rose bowl outside of usc,osu,michigan, psu and their fans? when was the last time the rose bowl had NC implications? the slow ten is the most overated football conferance the world and ND doesnt need to panic in the face of this hostile takeover!

ohh and "F" michigan!

Well to answer your question, 2006 was the last national champ. with the rose bowl.
How can you say the rose bowl is insignificant? Do you know anything about football at all?
Yeh, it is just such an awful game when historic programs like osu,michigan,usc,psu,and others covet to play in it every year.I'm not a fan of these schools,especially usc and michigan because of our rivalries.but to say the rose bowl is insignificant like u implied is simply idiotic. it must be just a terrible game.(sarcasm)
 

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Delany, Big Ten may swallow Irish in expansive landscape - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com

April 6, 2010
By Dennis Dodd
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From an Independent point of view this should be in the "Other Football" Forum, pragmatically it is about ND football. The lansdscape in college football would change, no doubt.

I added the author's name to your post as I was curious who thougth Delany was the "smartest in the room". Delany is only following the money grab Roy Kramer pioneered in the SEC in the early 90's when he split the SEC in two Divisions ruining rivalaries like "The Third Saturday in October". Alabama v Tennessee rocked the Southland every year until Kramer decreed that to end up with the #1 Ranking, the SEC must stop the fratricide. The day when "No Team With Two Losses Can Win The SEC" was over. The Top Ranked Team would stop playing each other every year. The Division concept would ensure that a team with a early season loss would not drop out of the race but would in effect have a Loser's Bracket to back door their way into the National Race. With a more watered down schedule played by the entire league and not just Alabama even Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Mississippi St could be bowl eligibile through beating a collection of Division II teams. (Sidebar: Notre Dame has never played a Division II or lower team since the Divisions were established. ND is one of only 4 or 5 Div 1 teams that hasn't. ND hasn't played a Div II caliber team since the 1930's. ND plays their first MAC team, a staple of the Big 10 cupcake diet, this year.)

Roy Kramer with all the guile of The Prince then became the First Czar of the BCS while keeping his crown as SEC Commissioner. No conflict of interest, was there?Funny thing about how that selection process was put in place then the Strength of Schedule methodology was watered down, and watered down to reward playing the equivalent of Junior Varsity teams. Clever that League Revenue sharing was know passed down to the cannon fodder conference members so Vandy and Kentucky would get shares of Bowl money not just from the conference to bend over annually, now they got it from the BCS as well.

So now Delany is the smartest man in the room for trying to join in the power grab and the rest of the schools be damned. Delany is 20 years behind Kramer is in his quest for corruption. Figures that a hack like Dodd would think him smartest.
 

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I always wonder how joining a conference would effect the presence of our half dozen annual rivals on our schedule.
 

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From an Independent point of view this should be in the "Other Football" Forum, pragmatically it is about ND football. The lansdscape in college football would change, no doubt.

I added the author's name to your post as I was curious who thougth Delany was the "smartest in the room". Delany is only following the money grab Roy Kramer pioneered in the SEC in the early 90's when he split the SEC in two Divisions ruining rivalaries like "The Third Saturday in October". Alabama v Tennessee rocked the Southland every year until Kramer decreed that to end up with the #1 Ranking, the SEC must stop the fratricide. The day when "No Team With Two Losses Can Win The SEC" was over. The Top Ranked Team would stop playing each other every year. The Division concept would ensure that a team with a early season loss would not drop out of the race but would in effect have a Loser's Bracket to back door their way into the National Race. With a more watered down schedule played by the entire league and not just Alabama even Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Mississippi St could be bowl eligibile through beating a collection of Division II teams. (Sidebar: Notre Dame has never played a Division II or lower team since the Divisions were established. ND is one of only 4 or 5 Div 1 teams that hasn't. ND hasn't played a Div II caliber team since the 1930's. ND plays their first MAC team, a staple of the Big 10 cupcake diet, this year.)

Roy Kramer with all the guile of The Prince then became the First Czar of the BCS while keeping his crown as SEC Commissioner. No conflict of interest, was there?Funny thing about how that selection process was put in place then the Strength of Schedule methodology was watered down, and watered down to reward playing the equivalent of Junior Varsity teams. Clever that League Revenue sharing was know passed down to the cannon fodder conference members so Vandy and Kentucky would get shares of Bowl money not just from the conference to bend over annually, now they got it from the BCS as well.

So now Delany is the smartest man in the room for trying to join in the power grab and the rest of the schools be damned. Delany is 20 years behind Kramer is in his quest for corruption. Figures that a hack like Dodd would think him smartest.

Thanks for fixing my post, I didn't do the hyperlink, the site did. Anyway, The Third Saturday in October still exists to this day, living in Knoxville I've been to a few. But you're right that the SEC was created to be a money machine, and it's done that well. On the other hand it's also become a very powerful, on the field, football conference, which is also what the Big10 wants back. And if this 'super conference' did exist the exposure and money would help the smaller schools compete, like Purdue, they have a decent team most years but if their exposure were broadened and their income increased I'd bet their team would fair better on the field.

And I'm going to feed a troll, just for a second if you excuse me.

I love how big ten people think playing for a rose bowl birth is a big deal! who cares about the rose bowl outside of usc,osu,michigan, psu and their fans? when was the last time the rose bowl had NC implications? the slow ten is the most overated football conferance the world and ND doesnt need to panic in the face of this hostile takeover!

ohh and "F" michigan!

Other than the NC game the Rose Bowl is still the biggest payout for any bowl game, so yes it matters.

2006 as was mentioned previous

The 'Slow Ten' did pretty good during the bowls if I'm not mistaken

and last but not least, we don't like you either.
 

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Well to answer your question, 2006 was the last national champ. with the rose bowl.
How can you say the rose bowl is insignificant? Do you know anything about football at all?
Yeh, it is just such an awful game when historic programs like osu,michigan,usc,psu,and others covet to play in it every year.I'm not a fan of these schools,especially usc and michigan because of our rivalries.but to say the rose bowl is insignificant like u implied is simply idiotic. it must be just a terrible game.(sarcasm)


yes i know plenty about football! i know that the cotton bowl has alot of history too but that doesnt mean i want ND to play in it every year. as far as it being a terrible game...going back to 2000 the ave margin of victory is 17 points! riveting! the best part of all is the closest rosebowl games since 2000 didnt even involve slow ten teams...they involved texas. if your a ND fan you want to see ND play for a national championship not for "the roses". to put the rose bowl on a pedestal considering it has zero historical relevance to ND is as you put it..."idiotic"!
 
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Thanks for fixing my post, I didn't do the hyperlink, the site did. Anyway, The Third Saturday in October still exists to this day, living in Knoxville I've been to a few. But you're right that the SEC was created to be a money machine, and it's done that well. On the other hand it's also become a very powerful, on the field, football conference, which is also what the Big10 wants back. And if this 'super conference' did exist the exposure and money would help the smaller schools compete, like Purdue, they have a decent team most years but if their exposure were broadened and their income increased I'd bet their team would fair better on the field.

And I'm going to feed a troll, just for a second if you excuse me.



Other than the NC game the Rose Bowl is still the biggest payout for any bowl game, so yes it matters.

2006 as was mentioned previous

The 'Slow Ten' did pretty good during the bowls if I'm not mistaken

and last but not least, we don't like you either.

the slow ten might have done well last year but they havent faired well over the last decade! as far as the "troll" comment is concerned wouldnt a michigan fan posting slow ten/anti ND propaganda on a ND message board be the very definition of a "troll"?

wow never thought i would see a michigan fan tout Posu success as a reason for slow ten revelance!
 
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Thanks for fixing my post, I didn't do the hyperlink, the site did. Anyway, The Third Saturday in October still exists to this day, living in Knoxville I've been to a few. But you're right that the SEC was created to be a money machine, and it's done that well. On the other hand it's also become a very powerful, on the field, football conference, which is also what the Big10 wants back. And if this 'super conference' did exist the exposure and money would help the smaller schools compete, like Purdue, they have a decent team most years but if their exposure were broadened and their income increased I'd bet their team would fair better on the field.

And I'm going to feed a troll, just for a second if you excuse me.



Other than the NC game the Rose Bowl is still the biggest payout for any bowl game, so yes it matters.

2006 as was mentioned previous

The 'Slow Ten' did pretty good during the bowls if I'm not mistaken

and last but not least, we don't like you either.

hey JV, where do u live at in knoxville? I live in Farragut myself.
 

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Frankly it is going to happen. Get it over with and join already.
 

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I love how big ten people think playing for a rose bowl birth is a big deal! who cares about the rose bowl outside of usc,osu,michigan, psu and their fans? when was the last time the rose bowl had NC implications? the slow ten is the most overated football conferance the world and ND doesnt need to panic in the face of this hostile takeover!

ohh and "F" michigan!

Agree...I'm inclined to think that the big ten is bluster...of course they would want to maneuver ND into joining...of course they think they can force the issue...but I still think the antitrust sentiment associated with the BCS keeps these mega conference idiots in check for awhile...but BK winning is pretty important because once the BCS issues are settled, if we still suck, we are in jeopardy...
 

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So now Delany is the smartest man in the room for trying to join in the power grab and the rest of the schools be damned. Delany is 20 years behind Kramer is in his quest for corruption. Figures that a hack like Dodd would think him smartest.

...My sentiments as well here...I would also add that I think the mid majors and the Big East are already sensative to the lack of access to the streams of revenue...and they are aware of the collusion taking place which excludes them...and they are beginning to speak Anti trust fairly fluently...

...I would argue that if this happens, law suits ensue at a rate that swallow up the "asteroid"...and the NCAA is not shielded from being called to the carpet either...they enable and participate in the collusive conduct.

So not only is Delaney un-original...he's late to the game, and the other players are aware of the stakes and all the "cheats"...I don't see it coming off as easily as Dodd thinks...

The beauty is...I don't think ND will have to do much but watch...and keep our poker face.
 

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The Rose Bowl is a bigger event in my household than the Super Bowl most years... (not during the SC run of crushing much slower teams lately but this past year proved a re-birth of that tradition, hopefully will see more Pac 10 teams stepping up)... I LOVE the Rose Bowl... I would LOVE to see Notre Dame play for and win one... it would be a small small step down from winning the National Title itself.
 

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I think ND beat Stanford 27-10 in the 1925 Rose Bowl.

Side note: interesting that such an old concrete stadium and event, complete with a well marketed parade, is still so well sold. Kind of makes the call for new stadiums at taxpayer's expense seem silly.
 

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The only way ND shouldn't join a conference is if all of college football tells the NCAA to take a hike.
 

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what are the benefits of joining a conference again?

because we are already one of the richest most recognized brands in all of sports.
 

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Don't rest on your past accomplishments, many on this board will bash the Big10 calling it the slow ten saying it's no longer a good conference. But in the same breath say that ND has nothing to fear because it's ND. You can't have it both ways, what if your current downward trend holds, will NBC keep airing your games?
 

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Don't rest on your past accomplishments, many on this board will bash the Big10 calling it the slow ten saying it's no longer a good conference. But in the same breath say that ND has nothing to fear because it's ND. You can't have it both ways, what if your current downward trend holds, will NBC keep airing your games?

the tv contract is just part of what is an already Giant Brand. ND sells more merchandise than pro teams. And everytime one of our games wont be aired on NBC Somebody (usually espn or abc) picks up the game.

The downward trend has held since Lou left and we're still the most talked about program in the nation. CFB is cyclical, ND is not going to fade away into the abyss.

I am not resting on past accomplishments just the facts that we are a national draw.

Could a conference have its advantages? sure, but why fix something that isn't broke.
 

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ND continues to go 6-6 or worse you can bet NBC will be looking at the contract.
 

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Don't rest on your past accomplishments, many on this board will bash the Big10 calling it the slow ten saying it's no longer a good conference. But in the same breath say that ND has nothing to fear because it's ND. You can't have it both ways, what if your current downward trend holds, will NBC keep airing your games?

I see ND trending upward, not downward. Th only way I see a downward trend for ND is if we join a conference like the slow ten.
 

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The downward trend has held since Lou left and we're still the most talked about program in the nation.

How do you figure? If I were to go to ESPN CFB homepage (the same for CNN/SI) right now, there is one article on ND football, and it has to do with the loss of a member of your recruiting class (very sad btw). And isn't today or tomorrow ND's pro day? I would of thought there would of been more news about ND with that going on.

I'm not bashing, just pointing out what has also happened to Michigan. CFB is all about what have you done for me lately, and lately Boise St. has done more for CFB than ND. So yes, right now your alums and fan base will continue to follow ND and care about ND football, but what's going to carry you on? Hopes, dreams, and calls to wake the echoes?
 

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ND continues to go 6-6 or worse you can bet NBC will be looking at the contract.

a 6-6 ND team will be more watched than anything else they could put on at that time frame
 

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the slow ten might have done well last year but they havent faired well over the last decade! as far as the "troll" comment is concerned wouldnt a michigan fan posting slow ten/anti ND propaganda on a ND message board be the very definition of a "troll"?

wow never thought i would see a michigan fan tout Posu success as a reason for slow ten revelance!


Check my posts, I'm far from a troll. And I never specifically mentioned osu, I mentioned the Big10 as a whole...you know Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn St., Northwestern even in a loss looked good, and yes even OSU.
 
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