Irish to possibly join Conference?

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From one old guy to another please allow me to answer your question about the SEC TV network and correct your comment about the record vs. the Crimson Tide.

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Second your comment about the record vs. the Crimson Tide....."I'd risk our unbeaten "streak" against the Crimson Tide"...... Sorry but that streak ended in 1986 with Bama winning 28-10.
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"The Sack" 1986 Cornelius Bennett rearranged Steve Beuerlein's anatomy as The Tide won their only game in the six game series. Yes, it ended ND's 4 game winning streak over The Bear but ND won the next game played in 1987 leaving ND with a current one game "unbeaten streak".

BTW, when the #2 ranked Tide beat the unranked Irish in '86 it was the only time in the series that one of the teams wasn't ranked. Bama has been ranked #10 or higher in all 6 games. ND was ranked in the Top 10 four times and was ranked 18th once as well as being unranked for the '86 game.

Great series. The Sugar Bowl and Orange Bowl were two of the best games ever played.
 

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We need to stay independent. Hell, let's make our own conference with one team in it. The Irish Conference. We'll always win the championship, with a guaranteed bowl birth. Woo Hoo!

Nitrous Oxide, mayhap??? Oh-so-pleasant flights of giggling fancy!

I agree with your sentiment on remaining an independent amidst the affiliated, delineated and often greed driven conference teams. "Live Free Or Die" and all that jazz. A little free-form improvisation keeps the genre alive, interesting and growing.

Oh, and just to be a picky-ass Old Fart SOB, I'm thinkin' you meant "bowl berth" rather than "bowl birth." I'm not a fan of the BCS structure as it exists, but I don't think it's time to "cut the cord."
 

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I'll take your word for it...You've always been reserved in your comments that I've seen (and I have not) I'll concede that The Tressel OSU gang does well...

but I gotta qualify the concession a little...

I've lived in Utah for 15 years...ask me how many tOSU fans I've ever met. I know at least 50 people who are ND fans, and a handfull of fans from other schools...actually more LSU folk than you'd expect. I work primarily with Military folks who are pretty transient folks...so i get to work with people from Alaska to Alabama, and the faces refresh about every two years...the dang AF headquarters is at Wright Patterson (Ohio)...you'd think I'd have found a healthy dose of tOSU fans as compared to ND...Not even close. In fact nobody even sniffs the numbers of ND fans (outside the Utah schools of course)

No matter where I've gone I've always come across ND fans in numbers...even in Utah.

Certainly not a controled test, but it is meaningful.

I think ND has as active a fan base as any, I think teams that play ND look at it as a huge event, as do their fans, so we envigorate opponant fan bases, and finally we are national, which means the fan base doesn't need to "travel well", they already live pretty much wherever the team plays...to me thats pretty tough for a regional/conference team to contend with...

anyway..I drink the coolaid too...

I understand what you are saying.......I just don't think the above is pertinent to the point that I was trying to make. IF I had said that tOSU travels better than ND, then your experiences would certainly weigh in the opposite direction. But I never said that. I simply said that there are other teams that travel really well. And tOSU is one of them. The bowls don't give a rat's ass if ND is in the game, as long as the seats are filled and TV ratings are high. They would pit Our Sisters of the Poor against Lower Michiana Unified Polytechnical College, if they knew that it would fill the stadium, and people would sit down to watch it on TV. The NCAA is not going to care if ND gets left out in the cold, by not joining a conference, as long as games are still selling out. Let's assume that each team in a bowl game gets 25,000 tickets. ND might receive 50,000 ticket requests, meaning that only half of the people requesting tickets actually get them. No Bowl Committee is going to care if ND is not available, if tOSU or LSU can sell all 25,000 of their tickets. It's like asking, "Ginger, or Traci Lords?" Either way, you are waking up with a smile on your face.
 

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I was AT the Fiesta Bowl, in 2006. The place was almost exactly 50-50, Buckeyes and Irish. If it was tipped one way or the other, it was in tOSU's favor. The fact is that ND is a great draw. But, what alot of people are overlooking is.........it's not the ONLY draw. There are other teams that can fill stadiums on a regular basis.
OK you go to Montana or Ireland or Africa and try find a Ohio State hat, I'll bet you find a Notre Dame hat. Point is they were 50/50 because its a bowl game. Of course their are great fan bases out there-but not like Notre Dame thats not something that could even be discussed. Ohio State or the Red Army Hockey team of the old USSR will never have Nootre Dame's fan base
 

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I understand what you are saying.......I just don't think the above is pertinent to the point that I was trying to make. IF I had said that tOSU travels better than ND, then your experiences would certainly weigh in the opposite direction. But I never said that. I simply said that there are other teams that travel really well. And tOSU is one of them. The bowls don't give a rat's ass if ND is in the game, as long as the seats are filled and TV ratings are high. They would pit Our Sisters of the Poor against Lower Michiana Unified Polytechnical College, if they knew that it would fill the stadium, and people would sit down to watch it on TV. The NCAA is not going to care if ND gets left out in the cold, by not joining a conference, as long as games are still selling out. Let's assume that each team in a bowl game gets 25,000 tickets. ND might receive 50,000 ticket requests, meaning that only half of the people requesting tickets actually get them. No Bowl Committee is going to care if ND is not available, if tOSU or LSU can sell all 25,000 of their tickets. It's like asking, "Ginger, or Traci Lords?" Either way, you are waking up with a smile on your face.

In that scenario who is Notre Dame...Ginger or Traci? (ouch...our lady slapped me).

I get ya on the conference issue...still disagree (ND brand too big to leave it out), but I get it...also good point on supply and demand...I still don't think anyone can hang with our fan base, but in certain situations I guess some can meet the supply of tickets...and thats good enough.
 

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OK you go to Montana or Ireland or Africa and try find a Ohio State hat, I'll bet you find a Notre Dame hat. Point is they were 50/50 because its a bowl game. Of course their are great fan bases out there-but not like Notre Dame thats not something that could even be discussed. Ohio State or the Red Army Hockey team of the old USSR will never have Nootre Dame's fan base

I'm not arguing that ANYONE has as many fans as ND. What I AM saying, is that there are other teams that play in front of sellout crowds (even on the road), almost every week. In the end, that is all that is going to matter to the NCAA bean counters. Bean counters don't care about tradition, etc.
 

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Tranghese: No answer to Big Ten expansion - Bob Smizik's Blog - post-gazette.com

Nice interview.

Former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese -- my choice as the smartest man in college athletics -- spoke candidly and with great concern about the football future of the conference in an interview this afternoon on The Fan with Vinnie Richichi and Ron Cook.

The Big Ten Conference is considering expansion, either one or three teams, and at least three members of the Big East -- Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers -- are candidates. No one doubts any of the three would reject such an opportunity.

``It’s a question of what the Big Ten does,’’ said Tranghese, who stepped down his position last year. ``If the Big Ten takes multiple teams, the Big East is in trouble.’’

As for those people who are suggesting the Big East be proactive and formulate a plan of its own, Tranghese had this response for them:

``I don’t think there’s anything the Big East can do to prevent it. Everyone is on pins and needles waiting to see what the Big Ten will do. It’s a pretty dicey time.’’

Tranghese revealed, perhaps for the first time, that Big East schools leaving the conference would have to pay a $5 million penalty.

``For any school that wants to depart, there is a $5 million fee. That’s not enough to prevent anyone from going. The Big Ten is making an enormous amount of money. Is $5 million significant? Yes. Will a school pay it? Yes. It’s not a deterrent.’’

Tranghese mentioned a possible 27-month waiting period for teams leaving the Big East, which would prove ``awkward,'' for players and coaches on the departing teams. He did not, however, suggest it might be a deterrent.

He also emphatically ruled out the possibility that Notre Dame would join the Big East as a football-playing member. Notre Dame plays in the conference’s basketball league and in other sports.

``It’s never going to happen,’’ Tranghese said. ``Notre Dame is not going to play football in the in the Big East. That conversation was held at the time [they joined the league.] They made it clear they had no interest in football.’’

Tranghese said when it was suggested within the conference to drop Notre Dame from membership the response from the other schools was this:

``We don’t want to throw them out. They’ve been a good member.’’

Tranghese also ruled out the much-talked about possibility of adding teams to the current eight-member football league.

While acknowledging some teams would make the Big East stronger -- he used Southern California as an example -- he said, ``Those teams are not available.

``Just adding teams will not make the Big East stronger.’’

He had some encouragement for Pitt supporters. Asked about the future of Pitt if it is left out of Big Ten expansion and other Big East teams leave, he said, ``I think they (Pitt) will be OK. They have a lot of things going for them. I’m not as worried about Pitt as I am some of the others.’’

On the basketball front, Tranghese said he strongly preferred a 12-team tournament but the conference presidents wanted all 16 teams invited.
 

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I'm not arguing that ANYONE has as many fans as ND. What I AM saying, is that there are other teams that play in front of sellout crowds (even on the road), almost every week. In the end, that is all that is going to matter to the NCAA bean counters. Bean counters don't care about tradition, etc.

I agree with your point about this. I think you have to also look at how many people the schools are graduating every year. ND graduates about 2000 kids a year; OSU, UM, LSU, UF, etc are graduating many times that. There are just more alumni period - obviously this doesn't compete with everyone who is not an alumni but a fan nonetheless, but it needs to be taken into account. If ND wins, the landscape will continually make a special place for ND no matter what happens with the conferences, but if they keep losing, the place may disappear or get moved to the fringes with significant realignment if we refuse to be involved in the process.
 
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