Is Jimmy Clausen Too Cocky?

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Peter King says that scouts are saying that Jimmy Clausen is too cocky. Other scouts love his toughness. Meanwhile, Colt McCoy is 'confident'. I respect the heck out of Peter King, so I don't deny that some scouts say that about Jimmy.

So is Jimmy too cocky?

I think he definitely is cocky, but not in a bad way, anymore. Earlier is his career he might have been, but he got a nice piece of humble pie his first year, and even his 2nd year. This year he was simply lights-out, and the reason we came back in so many games. Without him and his 'cocky' attitude (why btw was also a never-say-die attitude), we might have won 3-4 games this year. Now I think that JC is suprememly confident in his abilities, as all superstars are, but he turned into a great leader this year. Too bad he didn't have a defense.

So what say you...is Jimmy too cocky???
 

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You can never be too cocky. Jimmy has all the right reasons to be cocky. You gotta love players being cocky because it shows they have swagger and are confident in themselves.
 

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Cocky is as cocky does, and I said last year before the past season started his legacy will be in the NFL. If he handles the emotional turmoil when they knock the sass out of him he will be a great one. Time will tell but as far as him being cocky-why would you want your QB any other way. Good luck Jim Clausen
 

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I would say he is cocky, but a lot of great athletes are. I do know he is one tough SOB after the beating he took his 3 years at ND.
 

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No way is he "too" cocky. Is he cocky? Sure. Does he have the stones and the abilities to back it up? Abso-freakin'-lutely!!!! Watching that kid pick himself up off the turf hundreds of times in his career only to turn right around and stand tall in the pocket on the very next play makes me realize his toughness is something that goes being cocky. Jimmy is the real deal.
 

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Of course he's too cocky. That doesn't mean he can't be a good QB in the NFL though. Look at Philip Rivers. That guy is a flat-out D-bag, but he still has the skills to pay the bills. Jimmy just needs to land with the right team, and he will turn out just fine.
 

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I think alot of ppl cant get past his ND announcement, and his 'cocky' comments/attitude coming out of HS. If you didnt follow JC close you have no idea the corner he has turned (pre and post syracuse game last year).

1 question: Does he deliver the goods?

I know they are not throwing till their pro day, but depending how he looks he will either be cocky, or confident.

If he has a bad day on his pro day - he'll be labeled cocky
If he has a great day at his pro day - he'll be labeled confident

If someone already thinks your cocky, your 'confidence' can come across to them as being 'cocky'. You cant please everybody, everytime. I think some ppl are predisposed to Jimmy in a negative way. I think JC is supremely confident in his abilities; coupled with his past, some ppl may peg him as being arrogant.

I think Clausen wont be a bonfide starter right away ala Dan Marino, but I think he has the tools to succeed in the NFL, he just needs the right enviornment/team. From what I have seen of him, he is no stranger to hard work, and putting in the time to get better. from that stand point he isnt cocky, or arrogant - dude puts in the work.

being cocky is a good thing(in moderation), when it turns to arrogance and then feelings of entitlement set in, thats when it gets to be a problem. is that what ppl are saying is happening with JC?
 
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He has just enough to not come off to cocky and let people know who is in charge at the same time
 

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this may come off bad and many of our fans may not like it, but if we had more players with his and Tate's "cockiness" or better labeled, confidence. this team would be better, no matter how the coaching is or was.

with that said, we do have a new hard nose coach, which is great so alot of confidence may not be needed, just to win games, but to take us to that next level it really is needed, in my opinion.
 

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Jimmy Clausen is way to cocky. He is acts like he is entitled and he is incredibly arrogant. I'll agree, there is a certain amount of confidence needed in football. But when there is too much, how is a player supposed to step up and lead, especially in a role such as quarterback when they have to? When Clausen was interviewed on ESPN Radio today, he was asked about his cockiness and how there has been rumors that he believes he was entitled first starting out at ND. He skips over the questions, never addressing it directly. Then when asked what he got most from Charlie Weiss, he says that he learned how to watch film better?! Are you kidding me?! Don't get me wrong, Charlie Weiss wasn't the best head coach but he's well known for developing star talent, especially with quarterbacks. Clausen announced his decision to attend Notre Dame on the steps of the College Football Hall of Fame!? The fact is Clausen is way to arrogant. I'll admit, he's a great quarterback. But you can't lead a team based solely on talent. Again, I'll admit, Clausen had a lot to do with many of the gut-wrenching 4th quarter comebacks, but when we lost most of those. Syracuse, USC, MUST I GO ON. You can't win games alone and the fact is, you can't depend on a quarterback to drive the team every single game. You might be able to win some games, you won't win most of them. If the interview wasn't enough proof of his arrogance, then just look back at his godforsaken history at ND. He deserves to sit the rest of his NFL career on the bench and being a late round draft pick.
 

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I think you need to be at that level. I love reading King's stuff as well, but he was a Millen lover when Millen was running the Lions into the ground (and beyond).
 

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"If the interview wasn't enough proof of his arrogance, then just look back at his godforsaken history at ND. He deserves to sit the rest of his NFL career on the bench and being a late round draft pick. "


Are you serious? This kid was the #1 player in the country coming out of high school. He chose to come to ND for what? It’s not like we have had a great deal of recent success. We, as ND fans, should be thankful for everything he gave us. This kid is all day tough and one hell of a quarterback. Think about what our record would have been the last 3 years without him. I agree, the announcement at the HOF was a bit much, but everyone has made mistakes. I think he grew from that and the beating he took in 2007. I wish him nothing but the best in the NFL. I would have like to have seen what he could have done with a true running game and top tier defense.
 

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Jimmy Clausen is way to cocky. He is acts like he is entitled and he is incredibly arrogant. I'll agree, there is a certain amount of confidence needed in football. But when there is too much, how is a player supposed to step up and lead, especially in a role such as quarterback when they have to? When Clausen was interviewed on ESPN Radio today, he was asked about his cockiness and how there has been rumors that he believes he was entitled first starting out at ND. He skips over the questions, never addressing it directly. Then when asked what he got most from Charlie Weiss, he says that he learned how to watch film better?! Are you kidding me?! Don't get me wrong, Charlie Weiss wasn't the best head coach but he's well known for developing star talent, especially with quarterbacks. Clausen announced his decision to attend Notre Dame on the steps of the College Football Hall of Fame!? The fact is Clausen is way to arrogant. I'll admit, he's a great quarterback. But you can't lead a team based solely on talent. Again, I'll admit, Clausen had a lot to do with many of the gut-wrenching 4th quarter comebacks, but when we lost most of those. Syracuse, USC, MUST I GO ON. You can't win games alone and the fact is, you can't depend on a quarterback to drive the team every single game. You might be able to win some games, you won't win most of them. If the interview wasn't enough proof of his arrogance, then just look back at his godforsaken history at ND. He deserves to sit the rest of his NFL career on the bench and being a late round draft pick.

How does the haterade taste dude?

BTW, to all that say that cockiness may not equate a bad player: You're right, but there certainly are cocky QBs who suck ass like Ryan Leaf and Jeff George.
 

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This kid is all day tough and one hell of a quarterback.

So you are telling me at the ND v. Navy game, when Clausen tries to run the ball in and he gets slammed on the ground and he's a tough quarterback. I sat there not 20 yards from Clausen and saw him lay on the ground taking a breather and thats the moment I stopped liking Weiss because he catered to that. As I said before, Clausen is a great quarterback, but he's arrogant and self-entitled. When I saw Weiss beckoning to Clausen to get up, thats where the line is drawn.Yes, I understand this is football and these guys hit hard but there is some point in the 5 minutes you are laying on the ground when you get up, pull yourself together, and man up. Especially when your down! Now I understand that if someone is truly hurt then they obviously shouldn't attempt to get up. But Clausen after getting up went back in the game in the next play! The thing is, Clausen only looks after himself and he's not a team player. He's not an all day quarterback.
 

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So you are telling me at the ND v. Navy game, when Clausen tries to run the ball in and he gets slammed on the ground and he's a tough quarterback. I sat there not 20 yards from Clausen and saw him lay on the ground taking a breather and thats the moment I stopped liking Weiss because he catered to that. As I said before, Clausen is a great quarterback, but he's arrogant and self-entitled. When I saw Weiss beckoning to Clausen to get up, thats where the line is drawn.Yes, I understand this is football and these guys hit hard but there is some point in the 5 minutes you are laying on the ground when you get up, pull yourself together, and man up. Especially when your down! Now I understand that if someone is truly hurt then they obviously shouldn't attempt to get up. But Clausen after getting up went back in the game in the next play! The thing is, Clausen only looks after himself and he's not a team player. He's not an all day quarterback.

Really? Clausen is not an all day quarterback? That kid took more shots in his 3 years than any other quarterback I have ever seen at any level. He got the snot kicked out of him because of inferior coaching and conditioning along the offensive line which lead to record setting numbers in sacks and knock downs. How can you not say he is an all day quarterback?

Also, I don't get where your alleged "entitlement" comes from. Cocky? Okay. But where do you get the sense he feels he was entitled to anything? Because he doesn't answer questions sometimes when interviewed? The kid showed up day after day after day for over three years, when he should have probably transferred after his freshman year. He stayed even though McGilla Gorilla (Latina) and Mayor McCheese (Mendoza) should have been convicted of negligent homicide as a result of their horrible coaching along the offensive line which lead to Clausen eating more ND turf than dining hall tater tots. That is three years of commitment and dedication to the ND program that I think outweighs your "entitlement" claim. If you want an example of entitlement, take a look at Mitch Mustain.

Clausen could have left after his freshman year, gone to a place like SC and I guarantee you we would be hearing about him as front runner for next year's Heisman. The kid has it. And by it, I mean "IT".
 

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There is not a player in the pro'swho doesnt believe he is the best. IF i remember correctly Peyton Manning told the Colts that if he wasnt the #1 pick he would kick their ass every time they played. Tom Brady Toldthe Patriots that picking himwill be the best decision they ever made. Yeah a person can be too cocky and Clausen seems to be arrogant but i wouldnt say too cocky. His teammates respected himand he plays hurt and turned into a leader. So if a team passes on him i am sure Clausen will remember and shove it in their face the first chancehe gets
 

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So you are telling me at the ND v. Navy game, when Clausen tries to run the ball in and he gets slammed on the ground and he's a tough quarterback. I sat there not 20 yards from Clausen and saw him lay on the ground taking a breather and thats the moment I stopped liking Weiss because he catered to that. As I said before, Clausen is a great quarterback, but he's arrogant and self-entitled. When I saw Weiss beckoning to Clausen to get up, thats where the line is drawn.Yes, I understand this is football and these guys hit hard but there is some point in the 5 minutes you are laying on the ground when you get up, pull yourself together, and man up. Especially when your down! Now I understand that if someone is truly hurt then they obviously shouldn't attempt to get up. But Clausen after getting up went back in the game in the next play! The thing is, Clausen only looks after himself and he's not a team player. He's not an all day quarterback.

Perhaps because he was playing with turf toe since week 3 of the season, which by the way still is not fully healed is why he is tough. I also believe he set the record for sacks at ND as a true freshman. You can question his attitude but this kid is tough.
 

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Is JC arrogant? He is a tough athlete. Pains me to post the following showing JC's toughness, but has anyone else ever played with a broken foot? I went missile ballistict watching this game in public. Owner of establishment was a bit too scared to take action against me. If you are masochistic, watch the entire video. Otherwise skip to 3:00 of the video. Jimmy does the "right back atcha Mofo"

YouTube - Notre Dame vs Navy 2009 Highlights

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we can all talk about how cocky jimmy is, but you know what...im really gunna miss him in the backfield at ND. with all the sh!t that I have had to listen to these last 3 years about being a die hard domer, its hard not to lash out and defend myself (which i do every time) and jimmy did that for notre dame too, cocky or not. Thats why i love your video NeuteredDoomer (at minute 3:00). he didn't accept or allow anyone to walk all over him...did it happen? sometimes. did jimmy buck up and defend his, and notre dame football honor? yes. and for that i can care less about cockiness
 

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Jimmy Clausen is way to cocky. He is acts like he is entitled and he is incredibly arrogant. I'll agree, there is a certain amount of confidence needed in football. But when there is too much, how is a player supposed to step up and lead, especially in a role such as quarterback when they have to? When Clausen was interviewed on ESPN Radio today, he was asked about his cockiness and how there has been rumors that he believes he was entitled first starting out at ND. He skips over the questions, never addressing it directly. Then when asked what he got most from Charlie Weiss, he says that he learned how to watch film better?! Are you kidding me?! Don't get me wrong, Charlie Weiss wasn't the best head coach but he's well known for developing star talent, especially with quarterbacks. Clausen announced his decision to attend Notre Dame on the steps of the College Football Hall of Fame!? The fact is Clausen is way to arrogant. I'll admit, he's a great quarterback. But you can't lead a team based solely on talent. Again, I'll admit, Clausen had a lot to do with many of the gut-wrenching 4th quarter comebacks, but when we lost most of those. Syracuse, USC, MUST I GO ON. You can't win games alone and the fact is, you can't depend on a quarterback to drive the team every single game. You might be able to win some games, you won't win most of them. If the interview wasn't enough proof of his arrogance, then just look back at his godforsaken history at ND. He deserves to sit the rest of his NFL career on the bench and being a late round draft pick.

irishman when I heard that I actually thought it was quite insightful and probably the best thing Charlie could have taught him. You always here in the NFL that it takes a while for QB's to feel comfortable ( the game slowing down for them ) well I would guess that it has a lot to do with them knowing or having an idea of what will happen with the progression of there reads and I would also guess that has a lot to do with the way you study the film. I am sure there were other things that he was taught but Cowherd ask what was the most important thing he learned from Charlie....remember that when he was in high school and before he had a QB coach to teach him the proper way of doing things such as how to move his feet where to hold the ball etc. but I would bet he wasn't taught how to watch film. If you ever listened to or watched Charlie's interviews; which I am sure you did, he breaks down every player basically from the other team. So I think this was probably the biggest thing Charlie could teach him but of course not the only thing. Sorry about the rambling!
 

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"If the interview wasn't enough proof of his arrogance, then just look back at his godforsaken history at ND. He deserves to sit the rest of his NFL career on the bench and being a late round draft pick. "


Are you serious? This kid was the #1 player in the country coming out of high school. He chose to come to ND for what? It’s not like we have had a great deal of recent success. We, as ND fans, should be thankful for everything he gave us. This kid is all day tough and one hell of a quarterback. Think about what our record would have been the last 3 years without him. I agree, the announcement at the HOF was a bit much, but everyone has made mistakes. I think he grew from that and the beating he took in 2007. I wish him nothing but the best in the NFL. I would have like to have seen what he could have done with a true running game and top tier defense.

Shamrock well said. I am glad he was playing for us and not uscsucks
 

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So you are telling me at the ND v. Navy game, when Clausen tries to run the ball in and he gets slammed on the ground and he's a tough quarterback. I sat there not 20 yards from Clausen and saw him lay on the ground taking a breather and thats the moment I stopped liking Weiss because he catered to that. As I said before, Clausen is a great quarterback, but he's arrogant and self-entitled. When I saw Weiss beckoning to Clausen to get up, thats where the line is drawn.Yes, I understand this is football and these guys hit hard but there is some point in the 5 minutes you are laying on the ground when you get up, pull yourself together, and man up. Especially when your down! Now I understand that if someone is truly hurt then they obviously shouldn't attempt to get up. But Clausen after getting up went back in the game in the next play! The thing is, Clausen only looks after himself and he's not a team player. He's not an all day quarterback.

If you are talking about the play at the goal line I believe that the announcers stated that it looked like he may have been knocked out....not sure if he was but he was laying flat on the ground for a little while not moving so he could have been. I also think Jimmy cared for his teammates and I think he truly did like the experience ( not just football ) at Notre Dame. I have not heard him bash his teammates his coaches or the University and I have seen him backup his teammates during games....I think he just has a great football mentality and with that sometimes you get in the other teams faces as well as your own; atleast that is how I played back in the day.
 

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Jimmy Clausen is way to cocky. He is acts like he is entitled and he is incredibly arrogant.

can you give me an example of him acting like he is entitled? ..more specifically, can you give me an example that happened in the last 2 years?

When Clausen was interviewed on ESPN Radio today, he was asked about his cockiness and how there has been rumors that he believes he was entitled first starting out at ND. He skips over the questions, never addressing it directly.

Why respond to that loaded question? Why respond to unsubstantiated rumors? Who said he was entitled? Entitled about what? I say Mr. Clausen showed MATURITY by not responding to that loaded question.


Then when asked what he got most from Charlie Weiss, he says that he learned how to watch film better?! Are you kidding me?! Don't get me wrong, Charlie Weiss wasn't the best head coach but he's well known for developing star talent, especially with quarterbacks.

Clausen has been schooled by Steve Clarkson since when??? ..since he was like 10 years old? Clarkson, the same guy that schooled Leinart, Sanchez, Barkley to name just a few...the same guy that has the 13-year-old QB that Kiffin has already gave a verbal to. Entering ND, CLausen was already well-schooled with the mechanics of playing the QB position. Weis' strength is offensive game planning, not playing the QB position. Weis' developed Mr. Clausen's talent by setting him on the same path that NFL QB follow - which is continuing to develope your physical play, but also improving by watching game film; being a student of the game. So when Clausen says that Weis' taught him how to study, it makes perfect sense. Unless your predisposed in a negative way against Mr. Clausen

Clausen announced his decision to attend Notre Dame on the steps of the College Football Hall of Fame!? The fact is Clausen is way to arrogant.

Here you go, bringing up old shit again. can you supply a more recent example of Clausen being a jerk? Didnt you make mistakes, said stupid things, when you were 17, 18, 19? Is it possible that JC has matured since then??

I'll admit, he's a great quarterback.

that wasnt so hard to say now was it??

But you can't lead a team based solely on talent. Again, I'll admit, Clausen had a lot to do with many of the gut-wrenching 4th quarter comebacks, but when we lost most of those. Syracuse, USC, MUST I GO ON. You can't win games alone and the fact is, you can't depend on a quarterback to drive the team every single game. You might be able to win some games, you won't win most of them.

so you are blaming Clausen because the program has been in a tailspin for x number of years?

If the interview wasn't enough proof of his arrogance, then just look back at his godforsaken history at ND.

Doesnt he own just about all, or most the passing records at ND? ..the only part that is forsaken is the part you forgot about, or choose to forget about.
 
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Cocky? Yes.

Immature? Sometimes. I remember watching the Navy game. Clausen was hit late and shouted, "The f*** you doing, dumbass?" so loudly that it could be heard on the TV.

Too cocky? No.
 

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"If the interview wasn't enough proof of his arrogance, then just look back at his godforsaken history at ND. He deserves to sit the rest of his NFL career on the bench and being a late round draft pick. "


Are you serious? This kid was the #1 player in the country coming out of high school. He chose to come to ND for what? It’s not like we have had a great deal of recent success. We, as ND fans, should be thankful for everything he gave us. This kid is all day tough and one hell of a quarterback. Think about what our record would have been the last 3 years without him. I agree, the announcement at the HOF was a bit much, but everyone has made mistakes. I think he grew from that and the beating he took in 2007. I wish him nothing but the best in the NFL. I would have like to have seen what he could have done with a true running game and top tier defense.

He gave us 3 mediocre seasons at best. What could he have done with a less arrogant coach?

Confident is a better way than Cocky!

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Jimmy Clausen is way to cocky. He is acts like he is entitled and he is incredibly arrogant. I'll agree, there is a certain amount of confidence needed in football. But when there is too much, how is a player supposed to step up and lead, especially in a role such as quarterback when they have to? When Clausen was interviewed on ESPN Radio today, he was asked about his cockiness and how there has been rumors that he believes he was entitled first starting out at ND. He skips over the questions, never addressing it directly. Then when asked what he got most from Charlie Weiss, he says that he learned how to watch film better?! Are you kidding me?! Don't get me wrong, Charlie Weiss wasn't the best head coach but he's well known for developing star talent, especially with quarterbacks. Clausen announced his decision to attend Notre Dame on the steps of the College Football Hall of Fame!? The fact is Clausen is way to arrogant. I'll admit, he's a great quarterback. But you can't lead a team based solely on talent. Again, I'll admit, Clausen had a lot to do with many of the gut-wrenching 4th quarter comebacks, but when we lost most of those. Syracuse, USC, MUST I GO ON. You can't win games alone and the fact is, you can't depend on a quarterback to drive the team every single game. You might be able to win some games, you won't win most of them. If the interview wasn't enough proof of his arrogance, then just look back at his godforsaken history at ND. He deserves to sit the rest of his NFL career on the bench and being a late round draft pick.

Spoken like a true USC fan, one who knows nothing about the true situation and only listens to what the media writes. There's no way you are a true ND fan and watched every game this last year when you write crap like that. I'm glad everyone else already posted good rebuttals before I had time. Because that post is just flat wrong...
 
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