'10 CA OLB Chris Martin ( o___O)

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I really wish the best for him, he is a young kid and things change, but this one really sucks, because i saw him at last years blue gold game and he was decked out in irish gear signing autographs to fans and taking pictures, now those fans have there spring programs signed by a kid on Cal
 

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yeah I can't remember a player that talked so hard about being a member of a school's family and such and then not even go to that school in the end...

snake bit

not really snake bit, more shot ourselves in our own foot.

I dont blame him at all...If I was being recruited by a school, and they fired the guy that was to be my coach, I wouldnt go either.....its a no brainer. Unless it was the school alone was the reason I wanted to go there, but if I was dedicated to the coach, i'd be gone.

kinda like if I had another year of eligibility left, and they fired the coach that recruited me. If I was near NFL material, I'd be gone. no reason to stay. I dont blame any player for leaving/xferring/jumping ship.
 

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not really snake bit, more shot ourselves in our own foot.

I dont blame him at all...If I was being recruited by a school, and they fired the guy that was to be my coach, I wouldnt go either.....its a no brainer. Unless it was the school alone was the reason I wanted to go there, but if I was dedicated to the coach, i'd be gone.

kinda like if I had another year of eligibility left, and they fired the coach that recruited me. If I was near NFL material, I'd be gone. no reason to stay. I dont blame any player for leaving/xferring/jumping ship.

He was gone long before they fired Weis. He had told the USC scout service that he was decommitting from ND about a month and a half before they fired Weis, so unfortunately we can't blame it on that.
 

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California Football Recruiting 2010 - ESPN

ESPNU 150 defensive end Chris Martin has decided to come back home, verbally committing to California, choosing the Bears over Florida, USC, and Oklahoma, ESPN affiliate Web site IrishSportsDaily.com reports.

Back in February, Martin, who is an Oakland native, verbally committed to Notre Dame, but dropped the Irish from consideration December 1st.

"One of the things, when Chris committed to Notre Dame, the quote I said to him was Chris, if you do not go to Notre Dame, you need to come back home," Martin's mother Cheryl said. "Well, he's coming back home and this is solid. We're not going to do anymore visits or entertain anyone coming by."

ESPN's Craig Haubert added, "Cal scored big this weekend and it looks like they have coaching changes at two other schools to partially thank for it. Florida seemed to be a strong contender, but it appears the staff turnover there clouded the picture and made the hometown Golden Bears look like right fit. Regardless of the path that led Martin to Cal, the Golden Bears now add to their top-25 caliber class with their highest rated prospect."
 

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i heard he wanted to work with a strength coach at Cal who teaches high intensity / periodization philosophy.
 

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I would have hated him if he went to USC. It would have sucked to lose another d-lineman to Florida. At least he is going to Berkley as opposed to other kids who talk about education and go to Florida St or something
 

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Tough loss....he would've been a difference maker on the field, another Manti Te'o type of player. Best of luck Chris.
 

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The bright side is that although he won't be doing this wearing the blue and gold, he will be a thorn in Matt Barkley's butt for the next three years.
 

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There was a question to Jamie Newberg's Mailbag about Chris Martin. Here's part of his response. Interesting comment by Newberg:
I think the dynamics have changed a little bit out west. First, if you were to land Martin, you had to recruit him as a linebacker first. Of all the schools that made his final cut, only Oklahoma told him he would be a defensive end. The Sooners and everyone else lost out to Cal for Martin, a five-star recruit, earlier this week.
 

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Poinsetta Bowl looks like Utah's way of saying: Welcome to the 2nd tier of the Pac 10...

Looks like a defensive scheme that fell apart early October and never recovered. Gonna take more than CM to correct that mess.

This was supposed to be Cal's best chance.... Mmmm.... maybe in another 4 years... another chance to be runner-up in the Pac 10.
 
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Poinsetta Bowl looks like Utah's way of saying: Welcome to the 2nd tier of the Pac 10...

Looks like a defensive scheme that fell apart early October and never recovered. Gonna take more than CM to correct that mess.

This was supposed to be Cal's best chance.... Mmmm.... maybe in another 4 years...

I remember in a preseason magazine all the Cal players and coaches felt that if this wasn't the year they would knock off USC and win the PAC-10, then it would never happen. Martin is a huge step in the right direction for them though, and they have a lot of studs on D coming in for next year. Tedford always had a good O, so they could be pretty tough over the next few years.
 

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Cal always fields "tough" teams and then they choke their way through their season every single time.
 

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Their 3 and 4 aren't bad... the other eight suck... that's why CM won't turn around the program... it's scheme... and fundamentals... a program doesn't become a fundamentally sound team... it's from the head down... it won't happen...
 

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.....and then we wonder why the kid decommitted......just read this thread.....here we are ripping him and the Cal Program........stay classy ND fans.....stay classy......
 

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Not a matter of class... reality... not a four year choice... it's a 40 year choice...

They've got a lot of ground at Cal to cover to catch up - if you count rankings by *'s.

We get 3 4*'s and 3 3*'s - and we are a top 8 class - one 5* and we are a top 4 or 5....

if we lose none... then Barr, Riley, and Henderson make us a top 6... add Gaston and James and we are a top 2 or 3 - CM would have made it #1. Imagine Cooper or Prater ((Prater is takin' McKnight's Land Rover and lunch with Will Ferell so will never happen) material over the coming sanctions) and we are all world...

Of course... I am just as delusional as any other rabid recruit-nut...

Cal finishes strong and could still end up a top 20.

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Cal isn't some crappy school...........it is probably the #1 Rated Public College and I bet it is even Top 25 out of all Colleges......is it ND.....no......but don't kid yourself.....a degree from Cal is quite an accomplishment itself.....
 

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Didn't rank the academics.... It's a great academic institution... if that was the top priority... can't go wrong there.
 

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Cal isn't some crappy school...........it is probably the #1 Rated Public College and I bet it is even Top 25 out of all Colleges......is it ND.....no......but don't kid yourself.....a degree from Cal is quite an accomplishment itself.....

Don't kid yourself that a football athlete who gets the same on paper degree as a non-football student at Cal gets the same education.

People often rave about how good of a reputation a school has for academics. But the school's reputation as an academic insitution is completely irrelevant to the question of whether a school actually educates it's student athletes, specifically its football and basketball athletes. Graduation rates and the major those athletes are enrolled in are the two greatest factors for determining whether a school's degree obtained by an athlete is worth anything.

Even if a football or basketball player obtains a coveted big-name degree, the education they obtained and retained may not be worth the paper it is written on. A degree in sub-Saharan cultural studies with a minor in parks and recreation won't help the athlete much who can't make the pros and must later get a job.

Just listen to the professional football and basketball players who supposedly graduated with a degree from an acclaimed academic institution like USC, Florida, Michigan, etc. (It is pretty clear they majored in [butchering the] english language [speaking with rocks in their mouth].) Each of those schools are excellent academic schools, and a student who goes there would get a great education under average circumstances. But football players aren't there under average circumstances; the goal of the school and the goal of many of the football athletes are completely different than the regular student.

There are only 30 schools on average (out of 119, D-1) that graduate more than 70% of their student athletes. 70% is a passing grade; anything less is failing. Most of the big-schools like USC, Texas, Florida, Alabama, are around 50%. In general, that means football athletes have a 50% chance of graduating. The numbers for African-American males (per the NCAA) is often 5-15% points lower than the schools' average.

While there are some student athletes that the 50/50 proposition doesn't apply to (take Myron Rolle for example), all that means is that for every guy who is higher than 50% likley to graduate, you have a guy who is much lower than 50% likely to graduate. How would you like to be recruited knowing you stand much less than a 50% chance of graduating and be used as a warm body to profit the school?

The issue is not the reputation of the name on the degree, but the quality of education one received along the way. I've worked with many people who have big name degrees who are very uneducated. And I've worked with people who went to no name schools who are head and shoulders above the big name graduates.

Cal is certainly not among the worst offenders. But Cal's latest reported rates (2009) are 64% for football athletes, 62% for African-American football athletes, and both of those are using the inflated GSR rates that are designed to make the schools look better. 2008's reported rates are much lower: 53% GSR, 45% Fed Rate.

In 2007, a Stanford Scout site analyzed GSR rates for all the Pac-10 and Cal was near the bottom. Scout.com: The Bootleg's Graduation Rate Analysis They also analyze each year going back to 2002. In 2007, Cal had the biggest percentage difference (-44%) between all student grad rate and African-American football grad rate.

So while the majority of people would do well to get a degree from UC Berkley, the fact remains that on average there is a 50/50 chance those that strap on the pads for Cal will actually get a degree, and who knows what percentage chance that those that do get one that actually helps them down the road.

PS - so you don't think I am beating up on Cal: you were wrong about it being ranked somewhere in the top 25 public Universities in the US; it is ranked #1 for public Universities by US News as of 2010, and #21 of all National Universities (one spot behind Notre Dame). You are very much right about it being a great educational institution. My point is it is not the same institution for student athletes, even though it is the same physical campus.
 
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Nice stats Socal. Cal's academic reputation is irrelevant anyways because they do not have academic standards and restrictions like ND does. As a matter of fact, I remember reading an article last year that showed how UCLA has academic restrictions and that is why one of the reasons why Desean Jackson went to Cal. He could not qualify academically for the bruins
 

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Word is that he is transferring from Cal, not sure where he's going yet.

Man that kid is confused.
 

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That really is unbelievable. I still can't believe he HAD to commit the day and hour that TEO committed to ND. Then, he changes his heart by September after holding everything up. Weird stuff.
 

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I doubt his transfer plans involves ND, but who knows with this kid.
Besides, not so sure he fits the RKG label.
 
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