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This, I can agree with.
What do we think of Swarbrick now?
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This, I can agree with.
IrishinSyria
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Alright, since you called me out about it, I'll respond.
Some flavor of the weeks turn into Phish Food and Cookie's n Cream. Others turn out like Peaches n Mustard.
I DIDN'T say I was anti-kelly and I DIDN'T say he was Peaches n Mustard. I said the ball's still in the air.
You want to play outside of the analogy, ok.
I was starting a long response, but it's simpler this way.
Swarbrick got rid of a coach who ran a high scoring offense that relied on a strong passing game. And he replaced him with a coach that runs a high scoring offense that relies even more on the passing game.
Was Kelly the best coach available this year, no doubt about it.
Could he become the next cookies n cream (Jim Tressel) or Phish Food (Urban Meyer)? For sure.
Do I think the spread offense is a "trend" in college football, that will eventually see elite defenses built and coached to stop it (see: Alabama), and do I think that it's an offense that favors schools in southern climates over schools in northern climates and do I think that the success and failure of Brian Kelly hangs on the exact same thing that the success or failure of Charlie Weis next season would hang on, in other words, the school's willingness to bring in a top of the line D-coordinator and the willingness of the players to work their assess off this off season? Yes.
As for not being scared, nobody starts scared. Kelly is saying all the right things now, but ND is a grinder. And I tend to function in the opposite way of the media and the majority of ND fans. I warm slowly but I cool slowly too. Am I warming to Kelly? Absolutely. Will I love him in 5 years? As long as he doesn't make an ass of himself and as long as he works hard.
But you asked me what I thought about Jack, and I think that Jack would have been a true visionary for saying f* the alum and f* the media, NDs not going to be a revolving door coaching school and I remember that it wasn't that long ago people were marveling at what an amazing COACH (not recruiter) Weis was. I'm going to go out and get him the best D coordinator in College Football and I'm going to say I strongly support him, unlike I did last year when I delayed and put even more pressure on the ND team by implying they would be playing for their coaches job this year.
Jack didn't do that, and he didn't say I'm going to find a coach that will play to NDs strengths. Instead, he hired the Coach of the Year with an Irish Catholic last name. Who could very well be a great coach at ND, but from the standpoint of judging the AD it was about as obvious a choice as could possibly have been made.
(Imagine what the long response would have looked like).
Some flavor of the weeks turn into Phish Food and Cookie's n Cream. Others turn out like Peaches n Mustard.
I DIDN'T say I was anti-kelly and I DIDN'T say he was Peaches n Mustard. I said the ball's still in the air.
You want to play outside of the analogy, ok.
I was starting a long response, but it's simpler this way.
Swarbrick got rid of a coach who ran a high scoring offense that relied on a strong passing game. And he replaced him with a coach that runs a high scoring offense that relies even more on the passing game.
Was Kelly the best coach available this year, no doubt about it.
Could he become the next cookies n cream (Jim Tressel) or Phish Food (Urban Meyer)? For sure.
Do I think the spread offense is a "trend" in college football, that will eventually see elite defenses built and coached to stop it (see: Alabama), and do I think that it's an offense that favors schools in southern climates over schools in northern climates and do I think that the success and failure of Brian Kelly hangs on the exact same thing that the success or failure of Charlie Weis next season would hang on, in other words, the school's willingness to bring in a top of the line D-coordinator and the willingness of the players to work their assess off this off season? Yes.
As for not being scared, nobody starts scared. Kelly is saying all the right things now, but ND is a grinder. And I tend to function in the opposite way of the media and the majority of ND fans. I warm slowly but I cool slowly too. Am I warming to Kelly? Absolutely. Will I love him in 5 years? As long as he doesn't make an ass of himself and as long as he works hard.
But you asked me what I thought about Jack, and I think that Jack would have been a true visionary for saying f* the alum and f* the media, NDs not going to be a revolving door coaching school and I remember that it wasn't that long ago people were marveling at what an amazing COACH (not recruiter) Weis was. I'm going to go out and get him the best D coordinator in College Football and I'm going to say I strongly support him, unlike I did last year when I delayed and put even more pressure on the ND team by implying they would be playing for their coaches job this year.
Jack didn't do that, and he didn't say I'm going to find a coach that will play to NDs strengths. Instead, he hired the Coach of the Year with an Irish Catholic last name. Who could very well be a great coach at ND, but from the standpoint of judging the AD it was about as obvious a choice as could possibly have been made.
(Imagine what the long response would have looked like).
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That's a well-thought post. I disagree of course, but what do I know? No need to outline why I disagree because it was already stated in my previous post, but I think we can both agree that we disagree and that we want the Irish to do really, really well. Peace...
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Alright, I'm not going to be able to stick around, but I'll leave with a final video that includes a reminder of the first 2 years of the Weis era AND my own personal thought: Weis or Edsall or Stoops, it would have mattered not, SHAQ and CRIST and TE'O and FLOYD and the gang are going to run the table. Result of the NC game is still hazy. But the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame will start off 12-0.
YouTube - Brady Quinn Wins the 2006 Maxwell Award
Peace.
YouTube - Brady Quinn Wins the 2006 Maxwell Award
Peace.
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You dont hafta leave man. You have a lot of valid points. At least from my perspective.
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I would absolutely agree, that the depth at TE and RB is better than at WR, but as for underutilizing it:
While there may be more depth at TB than WR, none of the TBs on this team are a proven home run threat, like Michael Floyd. So keep feeding Michael, and let the other guys play Scottie Pippen and Robert Horry to Floyd. If Rudolph is healthy, I don't think you can possibly NOT utilize him. Looking at this past season (2009), it looks like the TEs don't play a big role in Kelly's offense. Kazeem Alli and Ben Guidugli combined for 33 receptions. But Cincy did have 9 guys in double figures in receptions, so he doesn't seem to focus on just one guy and forget about everyone else. I'm sure Rudolph will make it very difficult for his coach to overlook, or underutilize, him.
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Rudolph said he was really excited by the hire and actually thinks Kelly uses the TE position well in his offense. He said he was looking forward to working under Kelly, and it seemed as if Kelly reassured him that he'd used. No offense to the Cincy TE's, but Kelly has never had a TE the likes of Rudolph, so I'm sure he'll use him often and use him well...
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Hoooo-ah!
i dont understand why in every single post you bring up weis, usually more than once. sometimes more than kelly. can you explain why you would be in a thread about the NEW coach talking about the OLD coach so much?
honestly its time to move on.
their te this year guidugli was a very good player and made alot of plays for them. i believe his brother played qb at cinci a few years ago. i think rudolph will be used properly.
i really am not a big spread offense fan, i am less a fan of a pass happy throw it 50 times a game offense but all i can do is hope that things arent too much the way of sissydom
i just have a hard time watching that kind of football but i am really happy hearing about the things that matter more than offensive schemes. i am really looking forward to what kelly can do and if he can bring the edge back to notre dame.
I love the hire and Swarbrick, bottom line, signed the most realistic guy.
As far as your statement about the alums having no say, I heard you say this before and im telling you man, with all due respect because you are a vastly knowledgeable ND fan, but it is out and out bullshit.
Let me just give you a quick synopsis of the final 24 hours of the process. I got an email from a buddy of mine who is employed at a huge ND boosting law firm in Chicago and his bosses are directly tied in.
He updated me all along and a lot of stuff transpired and everything was pretty spot on.
It was gonna be Brian Kelly. The big boys were satisfied with Brian Kelly. They wanted Stoops or Meyer but knew it was a long shot. Kelly was interviewed, looked like a done deal, everything was in place. Then Swarbrick decides he wants to look at Randy Edsall. These guys had a shit fit. Then magically, no more Randy Edsall, despite mutual interest, and Brian Kelly is hired. Now I dont have anything but ennuendo from him on that but there was a real quick change of heart in about a 12 hour period.
Jack can say all this stuff but ND likes its big boy donors and they want to feel a part of this stuff and they are given their part.
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I'm not a part of the BOT (although I wish had their jack LOL), so I can't deny nor confirm anything you say. Very interesting what you said though. I can't say that it sounds far-fetched. Jack says it wasn't so; your boys say it was so. Crazy. Sounds like this whole process was crazy.
Guess it's just one of those things we'll never truly know...
Guess it's just one of those things we'll never truly know...
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I have no insider information. I'm in Kansas...everyone is still freaking out about Mangino here. However, from the outside, Edsall seemed like a back up option. We didn't want to get stuck if Kelly had a change of heart. After all of the failed hirings, that was probably a good idea.
That said...who cares. It's Kelly, and we're better for it.
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Agree. Jack did not hit the 400 foot pluse home run we had hoped for, but he made good contact and maybe Coach Kelly can leg out a in-the-park home run for us. Time to move forward, me included, and support this team and new leader.
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Thanks man. I just meant for the night, was getting kicked out of the internet cafe.
I agree that Rudolph and Floyd will play a huge role in next years offense. Kelly has said he will adjust to his players, but I still don't see how you can make use of four RBs if your stated goal is to run over 100 offensive plays per game.
Because this thread was about what I thought about Swarbrick now. The basic answer is I think he did exactly what he was expected to do, albeit in a very professional way (though obviously I can Monday Morning QB a few details). The more in depth answer is closely tied to what I think of CW versus Kelly.
That all being said, you're right, it is time to move on. I'm glad to see the players embracing the new hire, everybody's saying the right things (even if M. Floyd wasn't a bundle of energy in his interview), and I can't wait to see ND run table next year.
I've got one last question for y'all:
Has anyone here seen Kelly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVe0zmv1Egg&feature=related
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I disagree... BK is the next Urban Meyer, but without the sleeze.
This was a solid Home Run.
Anyone who thought that ND would get Stoops or Meyer is smoking something.
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.................Nevermind.
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I think depth is something of a concern, at DB. Don't be surprised if one or more of those TBs end up on the other side of the ball.
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I <3 Swarbrick
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you are greater than 3 Swarbicks?
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d'oh
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Swing and a miss. <3 means lesser than 3.
Side note: Baseball must be America's game. All common taters on all sports always use the term "Step up to the plate."
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I just finished saying the EXACT same thing on the phone to a fellow ND fan.
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90% of American metaphors are baseball-related it seems.
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70% of all statistics are made up on the spot....
But seriously, I don't think we can call this a home run. Kelly has a good track record, but a home run would've been Meyer or Stoops basically. But I'd like to point out that, if he'd actually gotten one of those guys, it'd of been more than a homerun, it'd of been a homerun off of Roy Halladay when you consider the stiff odds against either of those 2 coaches budging. As others have said though, Kelly could be the extra-base hit that starts a big inning.
As far as my personal opinions of Swarbrick, I like him. I think he runs a tight ship. As crazy as it made us, I like that he kept his cards so close to the vest. I like that he has wrestled control of the athletics department away from the hundreds of competing voices and boosters and special interest groups that seemed to control it under Kevin White, and kept it firmly under his and Fr. Jenkins' control. And I like the way he goes about his business. I remember reading one columnist say while the coaching search was going on that Swarbrick's complete lack of disseminating any useful information would be infuriating if he wasn't so damn nice about it. Apparently he was having his staff return phone calls to reporters to apologize about his not being available and not having any information for them. That's the kind of thing that will make the media not hate Notre Dame so much, which I know most of us probably say, "Who the hell cares? Just win." but I don't think it would be the worst thing for recruiting for kids to not see another story about how far Notre Dame's sunk every time they turn on ESPN. Ntm it might take some of the edge off all the opposing teams that always come to play against Notre Dame despite not being natural rivals simply because they're Notre Dame and they've been indoctrinated to hate Notre Dame. It wouldn't hurt to fly under the radar for once...