H
HereComeTheIrish
Guest
It's a chickens*it decision....
ND Chooses Not To Go To Bowl Game
- Thread starter NDinL.A.
- Start date
irishtrain
Well-known member
- Messages
- 2,359
- Reaction score
- 157
bullet
bullet
When next year rolls around and the new coach addresses his defense all he has to do is show them the 'let em in' play against Stanford. That men was your last play of '09. That should be on the shirt theme for next year/ I dont think I will ever forget that/ never did I think my Irish would have to do such a thing. Its best we shut it down and get ready for next year. 15 practices are not going to correct that.
bullet
When next year rolls around and the new coach addresses his defense all he has to do is show them the 'let em in' play against Stanford. That men was your last play of '09. That should be on the shirt theme for next year/ I dont think I will ever forget that/ never did I think my Irish would have to do such a thing. Its best we shut it down and get ready for next year. 15 practices are not going to correct that.
OCIrish
Fukk Michigan
- Messages
- 3,280
- Reaction score
- 218
Might as well count it as a 5 game losing streak since I feel that Swarbrick is going to fuck up this coaching hire, or he already has. After this hire, maybe Jack should update his resume as well. I have no faith in him at this point to hire the right man for the job, ND has millions at its disposal, so why not go out and pay the right coach the right amount of money?
OCIrish
Fukk Michigan
- Messages
- 3,280
- Reaction score
- 218
Absolutely!!!!!
Pros of going:
1. Establish a bowl winning streak.
2. Get younger players more experience.
3. Give the seniors a chance to go out winners.
4. Win and gain positive momentum moving forward.
Cons:
1. You lose.
2. Someone gets hurt.
I think the pros outweigh the cons. You mean to tell me that ALL of the remaining staff cannot come up with a gameplan in a month? Bullshit! Jimmy might get hurt? He is on scholarship to play football for ND he is not in the pros yet. Why did he even play against Stanford, then? Apparently, that game meant nothing.
If nothing else, let Corwin Brown have a shot to coach a bowl game. I am sure he will not be back next year, how about you give the guy an opportunity to build his resume?
I agree with irishtrain above, do you really think that the defense wants to remember their last play of 09 as the let them score play?
Not a good decision and I think that the media and everyone else is justified in bashing us for it.
1. Establish a bowl winning streak.
2. Get younger players more experience.
3. Give the seniors a chance to go out winners.
4. Win and gain positive momentum moving forward.
Cons:
1. You lose.
2. Someone gets hurt.
I think the pros outweigh the cons. You mean to tell me that ALL of the remaining staff cannot come up with a gameplan in a month? Bullshit! Jimmy might get hurt? He is on scholarship to play football for ND he is not in the pros yet. Why did he even play against Stanford, then? Apparently, that game meant nothing.
If nothing else, let Corwin Brown have a shot to coach a bowl game. I am sure he will not be back next year, how about you give the guy an opportunity to build his resume?
I agree with irishtrain above, do you really think that the defense wants to remember their last play of 09 as the let them score play?
Not a good decision and I think that the media and everyone else is justified in bashing us for it.
LeapinLeprechaun
New member
- Messages
- 125
- Reaction score
- 1
Terrible decision. This team has no heart. Especially the captains. A good captain would have motivated the team to play for one more game. Mark May wins the day. I'm pissed. I guess we are afraid of our own shadows.
I Dont Miss Charlie
And I Never Will
- Messages
- 495
- Reaction score
- 18
So what exactly was the point of promoting Rob Ianello?
I dont believe all of the players would agree not to go to a Bowl Game, whether it be the Little Ceasers or GMAC. There were plenty of seniors that would've probably loved to put the names on the jerseys, whoop some ass in the bowl game, and win won for Charlie and the staff.
Im sure Jimmy & Golden would have loved to put the uniform on one last time and go out together on a positive note. It doesn't matter that it is the GMAC Bowl, everybody was pumped up about ending the season on a promising note after the Hawaii Bowl last year. Maybe if we won the game, both would stick around and try one last time in 2010.
I firmly believe this decision was made by Swarbrick in an attempt to save Notre Dame from the "shame" of playing against a team like Central Michigan or Ohio in a bowl game. I dont care what bowl matchup it was at this point, lets play the game on the field and lets win the game, and lets do it for everybody who worked their ass off in the classroom and bled & bruised on the football field taking hit after hit in practice but still got up for GameDay because they freakin' love this team and school.
Swarbrick has a lot of nerve making this decision when hes doing nothing but interviewing clowns like Randy Edsall, and can't even lure Stoops or Meyer or Gruden in for an interview with a suitcase full of money. If $18 Million really is a drop in the f###ing bucket, why can't you hire a top of the line coach yet?
This is a huge chickenshit decision. I'm pissed that this is what we have to be subjected to with the man we expect to handle our athletic department.
I dont believe all of the players would agree not to go to a Bowl Game, whether it be the Little Ceasers or GMAC. There were plenty of seniors that would've probably loved to put the names on the jerseys, whoop some ass in the bowl game, and win won for Charlie and the staff.
Im sure Jimmy & Golden would have loved to put the uniform on one last time and go out together on a positive note. It doesn't matter that it is the GMAC Bowl, everybody was pumped up about ending the season on a promising note after the Hawaii Bowl last year. Maybe if we won the game, both would stick around and try one last time in 2010.
I firmly believe this decision was made by Swarbrick in an attempt to save Notre Dame from the "shame" of playing against a team like Central Michigan or Ohio in a bowl game. I dont care what bowl matchup it was at this point, lets play the game on the field and lets win the game, and lets do it for everybody who worked their ass off in the classroom and bled & bruised on the football field taking hit after hit in practice but still got up for GameDay because they freakin' love this team and school.
Swarbrick has a lot of nerve making this decision when hes doing nothing but interviewing clowns like Randy Edsall, and can't even lure Stoops or Meyer or Gruden in for an interview with a suitcase full of money. If $18 Million really is a drop in the f###ing bucket, why can't you hire a top of the line coach yet?
This is a huge chickenshit decision. I'm pissed that this is what we have to be subjected to with the man we expect to handle our athletic department.
Last edited:
Junkhead
Community Mod
- Messages
- 7,595
- Reaction score
- 1,354
At least let it play out before you crucify him. And I thought I was short on patience!
First off, I think you're right about JS....Time will tell the whole story, but I have a feeling that JS was the wrong guy to even be hired as the AD...but that's a discussion for another time and place...
I see alot of you being upset at ND's decision to not play in a bowl game...and some of you saying it's "chicksh*t" or that a "more spirited team would play" or a dozen other insults towards them that questions their heart and desire...Look...This team needs to turn the page...there are stronger reasons to not play in another game...First and foremost, they just lost their coach...I think this team had tremendous character and are showing their loyalty to CW...The 2009 team was CW's team and highly doubt that the leaders on the team would want to play without their coach on the sidelines...Another reason: This team has had a very disappointing year...Sometimes it's best to take that disappoint into the off-season and use it as motivation to not let another year like this happen again...Another reason: I don't think the UNIVERSITY wants to see Clausen and Tate risk injury; maybe Jimmy and Golden aren't afraid of going out there and putting on a show, but the UNIVERSITY doesn't want those two to take that risk...But I think the ULTIMATE reason for not playing in a low-end bowl comes from the fact that WE ARE ND...WE DO NOT BELONG IN SOME CHEAP BOWL GAME!!! At ND, the expectations are pretty crystal clear: BCS games and NC's...That's it...Now I'm not saying they wouldn't play in a Cotton Bowl, Gator, or Holiday Bowl...because they would...but the University of Notre Dame does NOT belong in crap bowls...and furthermore, what if they did end up losing?? How embarassing would that be? How much would further would that set us back, not only as a program, but for the mindset of the players? ALL of these things have to be taken into to consideration....
With all that being said, I applaud ND for not taking some crap bowl appearance...They are better then the Little Ceasar's bowl or GMAC bowl...They made the right decision in turning the page and doing what's right, not just by the university, but by the players as well...These kids don't lack heart, spirit, or guts...They aren't "chickensh*ts"...They are doing what's best for the program and team at this point and that's inspite of whether some fans like their decisions or not...These kids have shown tremendous class, character, courage, and loyalty...and to me, I'll take that over playing in some crappy, low-end bowl game anyday.
Last edited:
H
HereComeTheIrish
Guest
Has it even crossed your mind that perhaps the Chickens*it comment was directed at Swarbrick and not the players??? hmmmm....
jason_h537
The King is Back
- Messages
- 6,945
- Reaction score
- 581
If they were better than the GMAC bowl they wouldnt have finished 6-6
LeapinLeprechaun
New member
- Messages
- 125
- Reaction score
- 1
I'm a fan and they are not better than a pizza bowl at this point, LOOK AT THE RECORD. We are scared of a MAC team. Might as well paint the halls at Notre Dame yellow, BRIGHT YELLOW, because that is how the media and nation will view them.
You are playing another team that qualified for a BOWL, so what? It not like they are SYRACUSE.
LeapinLeprechaun
New member
- Messages
- 125
- Reaction score
- 1
What if we lost, then we lost. At least we showed up and took our beating like men. I respect you guys that want to save face in all, but I just pray I am never stuck on a battlefield next to you guys. If we want to win championships you have to fight to get that edge back. Not sit around and wait for some savior to give it back to us.
phork
Raining On Your Parade
- Messages
- 9,863
- Reaction score
- 1,019
Did you infract yourself, because you know this is a family site and all.
H
HereComeTheIrish
Guest
Didn't cuss Skippy...
Playing in a minor bowl serves no purpose since the new coach isn't hired yet. As for the seniors going out winners, they had there chance the last 4 games.
It's time for the new coach to come in and get this team ready to play. Let's see some FIRE and DETERMINATION especially by the defense. let's get back toi the fundementals...blocking and tackling. Then the wins will come and so will the bowl games.
It's time for the new coach to come in and get this team ready to play. Let's see some FIRE and DETERMINATION especially by the defense. let's get back toi the fundementals...blocking and tackling. Then the wins will come and so will the bowl games.
Maybe you don't understand what I'm saying, Jason...Record wise? Sure, they're GMAC Bowl material...But WHO WE ARE?? Notre Dame should NEVER play in crap bowls like that...NEVER...It is degrading to the university, the players, coaches, and fans...it cheapens the "brand" that is Notre Dame...We have hundreds of ppl on here who expect a top-of-the-line coach to jump ship to come to ND...but in the very next breath these same ppl want us to lower ourselves to playing in some tiolet bowl game?? If you're going to have lofty expectations and standards, then abide by them when you're down and going thru a rough stretch...Seriously...Why would Stoops or Meyer or any other top coach want to come to ND after they have proudly announced that they will be playing in the GMAC bowl?? THEY WOULDN'T!!
Now then...I DO consider ND to be the pinnacle of college football...They should only be playing in BCS and NC games...That's who ND is...Just like the Yankees should always be in the WS...That's just the expectations and standards....if you wanna cheapen, or lower, those standards for yourself, fine by me...But don't try to lower them for the ND program...it's damn insulting.
devolg
Tailgate Champion
- Messages
- 641
- Reaction score
- 20
I'm just saying everyone's giving reasons as to how a win in a bowl game would be good for various reasons, I think if that's your argument then you need to explore the possible effects a loss would create.
Like I said I'm impartial. Just playing a little devils advocate.
Last edited:
jason_h537
The King is Back
- Messages
- 6,945
- Reaction score
- 581
I get what your saying but this team, the 2009 team put themselves in the situation
You're right, they did...and now the players and university are trying to right the ship...Just like you said ealier in this thread, these kids must be feeling pretty low right now...The good thing that can come out of this tho, is that they take that feeling of being miserable and use it as motivation to never let this type of season happen again...They can hit the weight room and give that little extra when doing their cardio in the off-season...Hopefully, by having to live with that bad taste in their mouths for the last 8-9 months, it will make these kids hungry for the taste of sweet victory in 2010...I'm just glad the leaders of this team made this choice the way they did...because it will only help to educate and benefit the young, up-and-coming talent as to just who, and what, Notre Dame Football is all about.
Well, I agree that the defense should be plenty motivated after waiting 9 months to actually get to tackle someone instead of letting them waltz into the end zone.
NDinL.A.
New member
- Messages
- 8,121
- Reaction score
- 1,734
Aaaaaannnnnnnd.....that's why people call ND fans the most arrogant in the nation LOL...
So, its's BCS bowls or sit at home with our toys in our own sand box?
Here is where our winning percentage is for the last five years. See some teams ahead of us. Yes, we should play in the bowl game.
I-A Winning Percentage 2004-2008
I-A Winning Percentage 2004-2008
IrishBlood81
New member
- Messages
- 1,748
- Reaction score
- 88
so even better chance that we could get beat. I mean for real people think a little. Currently how do we stand in the Medias eye? Any one else see the Notre Dame Is No Longer Golden article a little back? Imagine we go to a Bowl and we lose what will they think of us now?!
Arrogant fools that just assumed we could win. It would be tragic.
The way that Swarbrick announced was with complete dignity and very honorable, respectable. Though many of you may not realize it, it is the best thing for us and our way back to Greatness.
puravida
81
You should read back to my post before the one that you quoted...If it was the Gator, Cotton, or Holiday Bowl it would be a different story and different discussion...I agree with ND playing in those "types" of bowls, but lowering themselves to play in the GMAC?? It's not just about prestige with the prgram and the bowl...but it's also about "earning" the right to play in a prestigious bowl...ND has set that standard for themselves and given us that expectation as fans...and I will hold them to it because I believe in it...If you want to call yourself one of the "elite" college football programs, then you don't accept invites to bottom-of-the-barrel bowls...You only go to the best bowls because that's where you belong....as NDinLA said, my thinking can be taken as just a tad arrogant...but if you want to be a champion, then it's time we start thinking, acting, and playing like champions.