A view from an old timer

Master Guns

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Pulled this comment from the SBT read board posted by a long time South Bend resident:

Having lived my entire 53-year life in South Bend and having immersed myself in Irish football longer than most alumni, I feel I'm more than qualified to comment on the current situation. Did I attend ND? No. Couldn't afford it. Didn't work there either unless you count the 15 years at the windows of concession stands under sections 7 and 18. I have seats now, but my intense passion for ND football has been with me since the day, as a seven-year-old, I tried on my Dad's usher's hat and met my hero players who found their way to his club for a celebratory post-game dinner and perhaps an accidental beer in glory days of Ara.

Ara was respected. He was a stand-up guy on an off the field. You felt good, and confident, that this man was leading your team. And when we lost, which wasn't often, it was OK. It wasn't the start of a hopeless downward spiral. Because I knew, even as a kid, that Notre Dame would remain among the game's very elite teams. That was the expectation when your school played its home games in THE STADIUM, the one located at the very epicenter of college football.

Today, 21 years after we were led to our last national championship by our last national championship-caliber coach, we find ourselves no longer a team that is feared, admired and respected, but rather one that gains its attention by being a mediocre curiosity whose performances are the product of the unintended intersection of the exposure granted by a revenue-driven media contract and the ineffective leadership of a revenue-driven head coach. We used to perform under the Big Top. Now we're the sideshow attraction and our coach is the headliner at the freak show.

I say that not to be cruel. I'm sure Charlie, deep inside, wishes he had a normal appearance and good health. But how you handle yourself, how you project, especially if you are the head football coach at the University of Notre Dame, cannot help but have an effect on those under your charge. A good effect is preferable to a bad or neutral effect. At the Friday Kickoff Luncheons at the Joyce Center, current and former players, assistant coaches and other guests are brought to the stage for brief interviews after everyone has eaten. Before lunch, the various interviewees all interact with fans who approach them at the table they share. Charlie, the last person called to the stage, approaches not from the aforementioned interviewee table but from behind the stage curtain where, apparently, he has chosen to isolate himself until it's time for his grand entrance. And grand it is, slowly shuffling up the stairs, trudging across the stage and slouching his mass into the chair from where, eyes in a puffy squint, he unenthusiastically short-breaths his answers to Bob Nagle's questions. Out of polite obligation, the audience unenthusiastically applauds. No one is inspired. Ara, by contrast, inspired. Lou hyper-inspired. The players deserve better from their current coach.

Indeed, they deserve a different coach. One who, at the very least, projects the energy, enthusiasm, intensity and sense of urgency he expects of them. One who exhibits a level of fitness that is, well, reasonable for one whose job involves coaching physically fit athletes. US Marines would not be led into battle by a bloated, lard-assed commander.

Lastly, the head coach represents Notre Dame and its reputation as a respected faith-based institution of higher learning. If reports of his arrogance and profanity are valid, his character alone would be reason to end his association with Notre Dame. The fact that he has been ineffective as a coach is the more compelling statement that screams for his dismissal. Regardless of how fans of other teams interpret Notre Dame's plight, the fact remains that we have no conference title that serves as a consolation prize should we not come away with a 12th national championship. Here, truly, it's all or nothing. We can and will return to sustainable greatness and achieve national championships again. But not under Coach Weis.
 

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I'm sorry.... whenever they bring up someone's physical attributes.. unless he's an athlete, performer, dancer..... I was married to a former Ford model... I have a son with down syndrome.... You'd be surprised at which I find more beautiful... This article told me more about the writer than the subject.
 

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I'm ready for a new coach, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Weis' personal appearance. I can't believe somebody wasted their time writing that.
 

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I'm sorry.... whenever they bring up someone's physical attributes.. unless he's an athlete, performer, dancer..... I was married to a former Ford model... I have a son with down syndrome.... You'd be surprised at which I find more beautiful... This article told me more about the writer than the subject.

I couldn't agree with you more, some of our fans although the mean well in their own minds, really have mixxed up ideas of what's really important.
 

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Very Powerfull!!! It makes me want to slow my roll on backing Weis, but I just can't help myself. This guy probably said the same thing about Davie and Ty. Unless there's a proven winner willing to come, fo get about it!!!!

If we win out we'll be 8-4 with a bowl game & hopefully a win! below is the rest of his seasons. Does this really look all that bad for his first (5) seasons? A lot of teams would die to have these five seasons. If the 9-4 happens, it would be great progress.
9-3
10-3
3-9
7-6
9-4
 

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This may be inaccurate, I am not sure, but another thing that jumped out at me was when he talked about Charlie not being at the interviewee table and emerging from behind a curtain when it was his time to talk. Now, I have never attended one of these Friday Kickoff Luncheons, but it seems to me that Charlie is most likely busy doing other stuff rather than shooting the shit 24 hours before game time. Maybe it does come across as arrogant or something, but I think we all know how much time Charlie spends in the office. He is probably trying to minimize his time at the luncheon, so that he can maximize his time at his job - which I'm sure he is working at harder than ever right now. Just a thought
 

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If the 9-4 happens, it would be great progress.
9-3
10-3
3-9
7-6
9-4

After losing to Navy and Pitt, assuming we will win against Uconn, Stanford, AND a bowl game is pretty optimistic. I guess we'll see though.
 

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I agree with that old man! Physical appearance means everything! I mean, Tyrone Willingham was in fantastic shape, and look at what a great coach he is! Ok, bad example. How about Karl Dorrell from UCLA? Skinny as a rod, and he was, well, OK, another bad example. Oh yeah, here you go, how abut Herm Edwards? He wakes up at 4 in the morning to lift weights, and he's a coach whose players PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. HELLO! Ok, so he was fired twice and was a miserable failure in KC...but he was skinny!!!!!

Look, I want a winner, period. Skinny, fat, black, white, doesn't matter to me at all. Parcells is fat and he's a damn good coach. Poodle is skinny and he's a damn good coach. Makes no difference to me. Yes, I get the fact that a coach should be a good role model to their players and the university (CW did pretty well at recruiting despite his weight, don't you think?), but I really could care less at this point. I want ND to be at the top again, so while it would be nice not to hear the fat jokes anymore if we hired a skinny coach, I won't be worried about the coach's weight, believe me. Just win baby...
 

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Keep coach W . Look at Iowa and steal O cordinator O'keefe. He is the real reason that Iowa is good. This way Ken will run offense, and coach can build his team and do the job he was hired for.
 

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while i agree that weis is obese and projects a pretty unhealthy appearance, it has nothing to do with him being a bad coach. he is just a bad coach.

and no, 9-4 is not good enough in year 5...and it is very unlikely that will happen.
 

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To parphrase: fatties cant coach

what a douche. I would love to introdue this guy to Parcells just to watch him get his ass kicked
 

dskoo65

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i havent been around here long, so i have to ask:

does Massengill sponsor this website? i must have seen the word douche about 500 times since i joined this board.
 

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i havent been around here long, so i have to ask:

does Massengill sponsor this website? i must have seen the word douche about 500 times since i joined this board.

LOL WeisWeisBaby got it in my head.

On topic, you know what Weis would say to this guy
 

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I don't buy it! IF his overall appearance was that "insulting" to the players ND wouldn't even be in the 'ball park' w/ the top recruits in the country. Yet, look at the highly rated recruiting classes he has been landing!!! I just don't buy that bullshit!
 

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No one here is geeting the point. What made ND special for decades is epitomized in these two paragraphs.


"Ara was respected. He was a stand-up guy on an off the field. You felt good, and confident, that this man was leading your team. And when we lost, which wasn't often, it was OK. It wasn't the start of a hopeless downward spiral. Because I knew, even as a kid, that Notre Dame would remain among the game's very elite teams. That was the expectation when your school played its home games in THE STADIUM, the one located at the very epicenter of college football.

Today, 21 years after we were led to our last national championship by our last national championship-caliber coach, we find ourselves no longer a team that is feared, admired and respected, but rather one that gains its attention by being a mediocre curiosity whose performances are the product of the unintended intersection of the exposure granted by a revenue-driven media contract and the ineffective leadership of a revenue-driven head coach. We used to perform under the Big Top. Now we're the sideshow attraction and our coach is the headliner at the freak show."


The QB talking smack before and after the BC game would never have taken place under Ara. Times are different but the things that made ND great, are the qualiities such as class , character,the willingness to do the right decision , money be damned. These things endure. ND will not if these are forgotten as the foundation of the University.
 

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I'm sorry.... whenever they bring up someone's physical attributes.. unless he's an athlete, performer, dancer..... I was married to a former Ford model... I have a son with down syndrome.... You'd be surprised at which I find more beautiful... This article told me more about the writer than the subject.

Amen!
 

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I would like to beat the living pulp out of the guy who wrote that, but I probably couldnt because I am sure he is the perfect physical specimen. Because if he isnt then he is just a hypocrit.
 

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I would like to beat the living pulp out of the guy who wrote that, but I probably couldnt because I am sure he is the perfect physical specimen. Because if he isnt then he is just a hypocrit.

You are a perfect example of what is wrong with ND Football.

Lots of immaturity and ignorance. They are not the things that made Notre Dame great!
 

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It angers me when people's physical appearance gets brought it when it has nothing to do with anything. Sorry that offends you.

Dont come in here and start running your mouth. If you bring something to the table, great, but if you just take shots at people then please leave
 

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You are a perfect example of what is wrong with ND Football.

Lots of immaturity and ignorance. They are not the things that made Notre Dame great!

And you are exemplifying another issue commonly associated with Notre Dame and its football program: a divisive, derisive, unwelcoming, and arrogant attitude. Offer your opinion regarding the football program or the university, leave the personal attacks aside.

To call a common fan immature and telling them they are a part of the malaise of the football program while beating one's own chest seems problematic.
 

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I'm sorry.... whenever they bring up someone's physical attributes.. unless he's an athlete, performer, dancer..... I was married to a former Ford model... I have a son with down syndrome.... You'd be surprised at which I find more beautiful... This article told me more about the writer than the subject.

i also have a handicap sister with serebralpausy and she also lives in elkhart your son and my sister may go to school together but i aslo dont think the physical asspect has anything to do with the job
 

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i also have a handicap sister with serebralpausy and she also lives in elkhart your son and my sister may go to school together but i aslo dont think the physical asspect has anything to do with the job

He's at Penn...
I'm in Eastlake...
 

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Aras effectiveness as a Coach & command of respect had absolutely nothing to do with his outward appearance.
 
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