Reasons to Keep/Fire Weis

[WabashFalcon]

And get to a BCS game? Even if ND beats UConn, Harbaugh is going to RickRoll Charlie right out of town. Maybe Corwin will get to coach the next Hawaii Bowl trip.

Did I say a BCS trip? No. Gator Bowl is still a chance. I don't want a BCS Bowl with the D we have.

 

[phork]

Did I say a BCS trip? No. Gator Bowl is still a chance. I don't want a BCS Bowl with the D we have.

That was more a shot at your pal Irishfan.

 

[leprechaun4life]

We can still go 8-4.

This is Notre Dame. We don't have Conference Championships and we don't want them and we don't care about them. We want National Titles and 8-4 doesn't get National Championships. That's what Weis was brought in to do. He even told James Aldridge during the recruiting process that if he doesn't have a NC by the time he graduates, then he should be fired. Well guess what, James is a senior and I haven't seen a NC

 

[Master Guns]

Great post. Reps.

Thanks my brother. To bad its buried here.

 

[Junkhead]

He even told James Aldridge during the recruiting process that if he doesn't have a NC by the time he graduates, then he should be fired. Well guess what, James is a senior and I haven't seen a NC

And James (a 5 star recruit) has hardly seen the field this year. How about a lead blocker once in a blue moon?

 

[timm3117]

Didn't Charlie say his goal was to win a National Championship in his first 5 years, and if he didn't he would expect to be fired? I'm 95% sure those were his exact words when he was hired.

 

[phork]

Well I think he can expect to be fired, that much is true. Hopefully he saves the school and the alums the money and steps down himself.

 

[leprechaun4life]

And James (a 5 star recruit) has hardly seen the field this year. How about a lead blocker once in a blue moon?

Yeah he's too fragile. He gets injured too easily. It's really a shame because I was really excited to see him when he first got here

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Well I think he can expect to be fired, that much is true. Hopefully he saves the school and the alums the money and steps down himself.

Well, this is a really good point, phork. With all the sniping and bitching back and forth, we have completely forgotten one thing. While Charlie has proven to be a lackluster coach, I HONESTLY believe that he has ND's best interest at heart.

I could completely see him taking a significantly smaller negotiated settlement that wouldn't cost the University that much. He's a stand up guy and has made his money. He's got some health problems, too. Maybe he'll offer to say he gave it his best shot, and that its in the schools best interest to find another coach after the season.

 

[ND4EVA]

So tenuta gets fired this week, the D allows less then 150 yards in each of the next two games and less then 10points. Does charlie catch a break?

 

[89_Domer]

Agreed

Agreed

We just don't have it under Weis. Too uninspired and sloppy. Recruiting has been good, but it isn't enough. I applaud CW for his charitable work, but he hasn't proven worthy of his contract.

He is not a Head Coach, he must go before it is too late for the the talented young recruits that we do have. He belongs in a booth upstairs somewhere with his play sheet and calling his analytical chess match. He is not a teacher, and how could he be? What would he know about technique at any position?? Also I must say I was excited with the hire of Tenuta... I have followed him for many years, But I am very unhappy! Whether the personel is not in place or whatever excuse we should look better than that!! I have seen better tackling from Div II teams. His whole hire was handled wrong from the start! If you want him to be a position coach thats what you tell him - if you him as D-coord then you tell Corwin he is demoted to position coach! Co- Coordinators never work out, I feel they both believe it is their Defense still. If by chance Charlie stays - one, if not both of them must go!!

 

[jmurphy75]

I honestly don't know what to do anymore. Since I was a tot I bled blue and gold. I don't know what to make of the Notre Dame Fighting Irish anymore.. in 2005 it looked promising, but now we are the center of attention due to our blundering coach on the sideline. I don't know what to do. We have been CLOSE every game but with an offense like this we should have won every game. If Charlie leaves so goes the best quarterback Notre Dame has ever seen too, and maybe even Golden. Will bringing a new headcoach restore us to glory? National Championship? Will that ever happen? From tonight my thoughts have just been simply no. I don't know anymore. I thought this would be a great year but it has gone downhill sharply. I just want ND to be relevant again. I don't want to almost beat an elite team, i want to BEAT an elite team. I want to be an Elite team. It seems Weis' entire head coaching career has been based around almost's. Oh but we almost beat SC. Oh but we almost be PITT. HOW ABOUT WE FUCKING WIN??? what do i do? I have considered just giving up for a while.. I just don't know how this could possibly turn around. I feel like we will never dig ourselves out of this. I don't know.

I feel you're pain, I'm an Irish fan in Orlando Fl. All I can remember id Notre Dame Sat. at my gradparents house(the best time of my life) and I take a beating from my UF friends, and about tired of it. I just want decesions to be made about reality, CW has shown constant improvement, not as fast as most want. Our D is horrible (mostly because of our D cordinator) but we show promise in our recruits, I believe we're heading in the right direction. I've mostly been against firing CW, and definately firing Tenuta, but where does that leave our team? I just hope we don't put ouselves in a position where we settle for a coach that MIGHT bring us back to the light and stop a coach that's almost there. The players would bleed for CW and the recruits are lining up, not just because of our tradition but because they believe in CW....that's got to mean something.

 

[Skuch22]

Yea I mean isn't slowly improving better then not improving at all? I think itd be a shame if he got fired this year because of the recruits and players transferring that would probably happen

 

[leprechaun4life]

Sure we're improving slowly, very slowly and yeah we may lose recruits and sure a person may transfer. But if we continue with mediocre football seasons where we constantly underperform, then we will lose recruits and we will have a person or two transfer and on top of that we will also be losing games

 

[phork]

So tenuta gets fired this week, the D allows less then 150 yards in each of the next two games and less then 10points. Does charlie catch a break?

Maybe only if he wins those games, instead of losing by 3 points in each one.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Corwin, your show.

 

[dskoo65]

I could completely see him taking a significantly smaller negotiated settlement that wouldn't cost the University that much. He's a stand up guy and has made his money...........Maybe he'll offer to say he gave it his best shot, and that its in the schools best interest to find another coach after the season.

i would bet my left arm that his massive ego will not allow him to make such a classy move.

 

[rogosIRISH77]

lmao at all the people that think that Charlie would actually accept a demotion to offensive coordinator or even less, a recruiter! hahaha this man has said he would never back down from the head coaching job at nd, not to mention, are there any coaches that would take a demotion like that.

reasons to keep weis: avoid hiring another coach who will change the system , require time to "rebuild," and will lead us in the same fucking pain in the ass cycle and we will be nowhere further in another 5 years.

reasons to fire weis: go out and hire our next great coach... BILL COWHER, Bob Stoops, Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, Brian Kelly
it is hard to know for sure if a coach will succeed, but honestly, we all know that Charlie is not capable of putting us where we want to be. At best, he could get us back in the BCS a few times, but continue with inconsistency and much pain and suffering.

 

[dskoo65]

there will be no rebuilding. Brian Kelly would beat Navy, Pitt , Michigan, and USC (who just got hammered by Stanford) with the current players. recruits will want to come because it is ND and because he is a proven winner. all this talk about having to start over and "being set back another five years" is ludicrous. hiring a competent coach will immediately be a step forward.

 

[irishfan]

That was more a shot at your pal Irishfan.

It was a poor one. We got the help we needed and then some today, we just didn't take care of business. Its a moot point now, but at 9-3 we could have easily been top 14. With the way Stanford is playing, we'll be lucky to get to 8-4 and Gator Bowl now.

 

[BeatSC]

there will be no rebuilding. Brian Kelly would beat Navy, Pitt , Michigan, and USC (who just got hammered by Stanford) with the current players. recruits will want to come because it is ND and because he is a proven winner. all this talk about having to start over and "being set back another five years" is ludicrous. hiring a competent coach will immediately be a step forward.

This is very true. All this talk about having to start from square one is such BS and is a scvare tactic. Look at Ty's first year, he went 8-0 to start and that was as good as it got for him. Look at Charlie's first year he had his best year and downhill from there. I'm sure this team especially the D would embrace something that plays to their strengths. Our O-line is better suited to run blocking and yet Chralies insists on making them pass block 75% of the time.

I would love to see Jim Harbaugh, he would be my first pick you can then line up about another 8 choices that experts wiould all say would be better wualified for the job and have better reults. Do we really think a new coach can't win 60% of their games over the next 5 years? Get real, change is coming so be ready and support the new regime.

 

[BGIF]

the grade standards need to be lowered but Notre Dame and most of us know football isn't life right? Y then does Notre Dame treat it like its more important then education and if they really cared that much then lower the grade standards for football players.

IF ND lowered the the Admissions Standards the players would most likely flunk out. Keep in mind this isn't OSU or Auburn were graduation rates are expected to be low. The average ND freshman has a two part SAT Score of 1350 and is in the Top 5% of their HS graduating class. The competition in the classroom at ND is actually tougher than that on the field.

ND freshman take the same classes, Freshman Studies. There's no place to hide those student athlete that have deficient backgrounds. The schools with 40,000 students and 100 majors steer their athletes into the cake courses and cake programs. Such programs don't exist at ND so if the least academically qualified are admitted they are going to flunk out.

Several years ago, OSU's Katzenmoyer took 3 summer school courses to be eligible his Senior year. He took Music Appreciation, Golf, and Aids Awareness. He needed 3 A's. He got them and surprisingly everyone in one of those classes got an A, although the professor had never taught a class before where everybody got an A. No doubt Katz was a suddenly brillant student in a class of brillant students. The OSU President was "shocked" when he learned of Katzenmoyer's record. He was entering his Senior year and didn't have a declared major. For 3 years he had drifted in the system and "nobody" knew about it. Right.

Auburn had a guy with a ACT of 7. In November of his Senior Season, a local reporter asked the Head Coach why he was playing when he hadn't been to a single class in 3 months. The Coach went ballastic. Two months later without attending a single class nor getting a single passing grade (GPA 0.0) he played in a Bowl Game.

About 4 or 5 years ago there were more than a dozen players from SEC schools that played in bowl games when they hadn't passed a single course. Wasn't one school but 5 or 6 of them. The SEC adopted a rule that to be eligible for a bowl game a student athlete has to take a minimum of 2 classes that semester and pass both of them. Two D's makes you academically eligible. That same GPA will get you sent home for a semester if you're enrolled at ND.

ND does let in student athletes with lower grades/test scores than the rest of the student body - every year. But they still have the resources (smarts and academic background) to succeed. ND has a fine tutorial program that works with the athletes on study habits, staying up on assignments, and providing additional instruction.

Admitting a kid to ND with 2.0 GPA and an inadequte Math background would be the equivalent of giving a scholarship to a WR who runs a 5.5 (that's Five point Five) 40. What's the point? Such a receiver is not going to succeed on the field. Nor is the guy with the 2.0 GPA with inadequate Math preparation going to succeed in ND's classroom environment.

This is one of the primary reasons ND doesn't accept JUCOs and accepts very few tranfers. The academic gap between them and the ND Freshman Class they didn't get admitted to actually gets larger over the years. As the ND Student Body has been subject to a highly competitive adademic environment while the JUCO student has been taking remedial math and remedial English.

IF you want lower academically qualified athletes admiitted to ND you better ensure that ND dumbs down the academic environment as well.

 

[tankjeep]

IF ND lowered the the Admissions Standards the players would most likely flunk out. Keep in mind this isn't OSU or Auburn were graduation rates are expected to be low. The average ND freshman has a two part SAT Score of 1350 and is in the Top 5% of their HS graduating class. The competition in the classroom at ND is actually tougher than that on the field.

ND freshman take the same classes, Freshman Studies. There's no place to hide those student athlete that have deficient backgrounds. The schools with 40,000 students and 100 majors steer their athletes into the cake courses and cake programs. Such programs don't exist at ND so if the least academically qualified are admitted they are going to flunk out.

Several years ago, OSU's Katzenmoyer took 3 summer school courses to be eligible his Senior year. He took Music Appreciation, Golf, and Aids Awareness. He needed 3 A's. He got them and surprisingly everyone in one of those classes got an A, although the professor had never taught a class before where everybody got an A. No doubt Katz was a suddenly brillant student in a class of brillant students. The OSU President was "shocked" when he learned of Katzenmoyer's record. He was entering his Senior year and didn't have a declared major. For 3 years he had drifted in the system and "nobody" knew about it. Right.

Auburn had a guy with a ACT of 7. In November of his Senior Season, a local reporter asked the Head Coach why he was playing when he hadn't been to a single class in 3 months. The Coach went ballastic. Two months later without attending a single class nor getting a single passing grade (GPA 0.0) he played in a Bowl Game.

About 4 or 5 years ago there were more than a dozen players from SEC schools that played in bowl games when they hadn't passed a single course. Wasn't one school but 5 or 6 of them. The SEC adopted a rule that to be eligible for a bowl game a student athlete has to take a minimum of 2 classes that semester and pass both of them. Two D's makes you academically eligible. That same GPA will get you sent home for a semester if you're enrolled at ND.

ND does let in student athletes with lower grades/test scores than the rest of the student body - every year. But they still have the resources (smarts and academic background) to succeed. ND has a fine tutorial program that works with the athletes on study habits, staying up on assignments, and providing additional instruction.

Admitting a kid to ND with 2.0 GPA and an inadequte Math background would be the equivalent of giving a scholarship to a WR who runs a 5.5 (that's Five point Five) 40. What's the point? Such a receiver is not going to succeed on the field. Nor is the guy with the 2.0 GPA with inadequate Math preparation going to succeed in ND's classroom environment.

This is one of the primary reasons ND doesn't accept JUCOs and accepts very few tranfers. The academic gap between them and the ND Freshman Class they didn't get admitted to actually gets larger over the years. As the ND Student Body has been subject to a highly competitive adademic environment while the JUCO student has been taking remedial math and remedial English.

IF you want lower academically qualified athletes admiitted to ND you better ensure that ND dumbs down the academic environment as well.

one of the best posts......ever.

 

[elkona]

there will be no rebuilding. Brian Kelly would beat Navy, Pitt , Michigan, and USC (who just got hammered by Stanford) with the current players. recruits will want to come because it is ND and because he is a proven winner. all this talk about having to start over and "being set back another five years" is ludicrous. hiring a competent coach will immediately be a step forward.

Right on. Agree. Totally.
Weis is gone. The Stanford game will be hard as hell to win. At Stanford against a team that just rung USC's bell. So ND finishes 7-5 reg season? And they keep CW? I don't think so.

 

[BeatSC]

That's all well and good and I still think we can contend without lowering the standards. Not sure what Pitt's DL GPA's are but they were awesome. Also Standofrd seemed to be able to field a good team with good students. I'm ready for HArbaugh and would prefer him over Meyer. I could see him going head to head with Pete and Urban. HE has the charisma the program needs, end of story.

 

[NDinL.A.]

That's all well and good and I still think we can contend without lowering the standards. Not sure what Pitt's DL GPA's are but they were awesome. Also Standofrd seemed to be able to field a good team with good students. I'm ready for HArbaugh and would prefer him over Meyer. I could see him going head to head with Pete and Urban. HE has the charisma the program needs, end of story.

And his AD announced yesterday that they were very close to inking an extension for him. End of story. Besides, most think he'd go to Michigan, his alma mater, before ND, and Michigan could be looking for a new coach as well...

 

[sonomairishfan]

IF ND lowered the the Admissions Standards the players would most likely flunk out. Keep in mind this isn't OSU or Auburn were graduation rates are expected to be low. The average ND freshman has a two part SAT Score of 1350 and is in the Top 5% of their HS graduating class. The competition in the classroom at ND is actually tougher than that on the field.

ND freshman take the same classes, Freshman Studies. There's no place to hide those student athlete that have deficient backgrounds. The schools with 40,000 students and 100 majors steer their athletes into the cake courses and cake programs. Such programs don't exist at ND so if the least academically qualified are admitted they are going to flunk out.

Several years ago, OSU's Katzenmoyer took 3 summer school courses to be eligible his Senior year. He took Music Appreciation, Golf, and Aids Awareness. He needed 3 A's. He got them and surprisingly everyone in one of those classes got an A, although the professor had never taught a class before where everybody got an A. No doubt Katz was a suddenly brillant student in a class of brillant students. The OSU President was "shocked" when he learned of Katzenmoyer's record. He was entering his Senior year and didn't have a declared major. For 3 years he had drifted in the system and "nobody" knew about it. Right.

Auburn had a guy with a ACT of 7. In November of his Senior Season, a local reporter asked the Head Coach why he was playing when he hadn't been to a single class in 3 months. The Coach went ballastic. Two months later without attending a single class nor getting a single passing grade (GPA 0.0) he played in a Bowl Game.

About 4 or 5 years ago there were more than a dozen players from SEC schools that played in bowl games when they hadn't passed a single course. Wasn't one school but 5 or 6 of them. The SEC adopted a rule that to be eligible for a bowl game a student athlete has to take a minimum of 2 classes that semester and pass both of them. Two D's makes you academically eligible. That same GPA will get you sent home for a semester if you're enrolled at ND.

ND does let in student athletes with lower grades/test scores than the rest of the student body - every year. But they still have the resources (smarts and academic background) to succeed. ND has a fine tutorial program that works with the athletes on study habits, staying up on assignments, and providing additional instruction.

Admitting a kid to ND with 2.0 GPA and an inadequte Math background would be the equivalent of giving a scholarship to a WR who runs a 5.5 (that's Five point Five) 40. What's the point? Such a receiver is not going to succeed on the field. Nor is the guy with the 2.0 GPA with inadequate Math preparation going to succeed in ND's classroom environment.

This is one of the primary reasons ND doesn't accept JUCOs and accepts very few tranfers. The academic gap between them and the ND Freshman Class they didn't get admitted to actually gets larger over the years. As the ND Student Body has been subject to a highly competitive adademic environment while the JUCO student has been taking remedial math and remedial English.

IF you want lower academically qualified athletes admiitted to ND you better ensure that ND dumbs down the academic environment as well.

bingo. you stated it perfect.

i would also add how unfair it would be to the students who actually have to pay close to $50K per year to attend, if they let football players slide in with less academic standards.

i could see allowing 1 or 2 players that have potential to grow academically ala Holtz era. but those students would really have to prove themselves in the classroom to jusitify it.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Let's hear 'em. We'll go over the facts and get the full opinion of both sides of the argument.

Well, I'd say losing TWICE (in 3 years) to a team that not even Willingham, Davie or FAUST (yeah, Faust) EVER lost to.

 

[phork]

And his AD announced yesterday that they were very close to inking an extension for him. End of story. Besides, most think he'd go to Michigan, his alma mater, before ND, and Michigan could be looking for a new coach as well...

DickRod will be at Michigan next year. Unless you see their AD suddenly step down before his Sept/10 retirement date, then he'll be there. As for Kelly, much like every other coach in the country there is an ND buyout clause in the contract. Don't put too much stock in an extension until its signed.

PS:

Cincinnati coach Kelly gets extension through 2013 - USATODAY.com

He is already signed through 2013.

 

[condoms SUCk]

I love ND, but I just don’t know who ND will bring in.
Brian Kelly-just got an extension to 2013, he’s out.
Urban-he does not have control of his players. How many UF players have been arrested since Urban has been there? Plus I wana see if he can do well at Florida w/o Tebow.
Gruden -has won a Super Bowl, (as a head coach) but some say that he did that with “another coach’s players” and didn’t really do anything after that. Plus he has stated that he is impatient with rookie QB’s, so how do you think he will do with 18-19yr old fresh out of high school QB’s? Plus he has a sweet gig on MNF, soo he is kinda out
Pat Fitzgerald- just took a shot an ND and pretty much called ND losers, sooooo he’s out.
Now Bill Cowher would be my #1 or even Mike Shanahan but I don’t see them moving down to the College level.
So I really don’t know what big names are out there that would be willing to come in and get hammered day in and day out and live under the scrutiny that will come with being the coach at ND.