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I know the entire ND family has spent the last few days standing on the edge of the cliff looking over at the jagged rocks below. I cannot deny that I walked up to the edge and looked over, but decided against jumping or even standing there any longer. My decision has been to stand with the “BCS cup is still half full”. How do I manage to keep myself in this frame of mind, well let’s take a look.

First, let’s look at the game which brought all this upon us, NAVY. Based on the reaction of the entire nation, you would think we were soundly thrashed to within one inch of our life. Reality is that Navy played one hell of a game and if it could go wrong for ND, it did. Look at how the offense performed: they never punted, passed for over 500 yards and ran the ball effectively, but we did not run much due to playing from behind. On defense, we gave up 21 points in total. One of Navy’s drives was only 30 yards. So, how did we lose, two missed FG’s, fumble on the goal line, fumble on first possession in ND territory, freak INT off Floyd’s back. Plus, we were caught looking ahead to Pitt. The team made mistakes, the coaches made mistakes and we had bad breaks. Remember folks, even in the days of LOU, we had Navy games come down to a final play.

Next, this is not a team lacking talent this year or for the coming years. Based on some of the articles I have read the last couple days, you would think that the flute player from the band will be needed to play for the “poor Irish”. What roster are these people looking at. We are going to return most of our talent again in 2010. Yes, Jimmy is likely headed to the NFL and maybe Tate is too. Guess what, Jimmy was going NFL no matter what our record, bowl game or head coach. He is the best QB in college football. Tate is probably a 50/50. We will return tons of offensive talent at all skill positions and believe it or not good defensive talent. I will gladly take Teo, Ethan Johnson, KLM all a year bigger and stonger. Toss in some underclass talent like Slaughter, McCarthy, Motto.

Further, our so called crappy coach is still assembling a great recruiting class. He is filling all the positions of need with solid talent. We probably lose Chris Martin, that writing was on the wall well before the Navy game. I guess that idea that good players won’t come to ND anymore is still false.

Finally, opportunity is staring ND in the face. This week ND is playing a Top 10 team on the road, Pittsburgh. Every sports mind in America will have us losing this game. In reality, I see us winning. Charlie has been preparing the team for this game for 3 weeks. Look at the vanilla game plan against both WSU and Navy. He knew this was going to be a huge game and has planned accordingly. A win at Pitt, home against Uconn and at Stanford who is rated Top 25 puts ND squarely in the BCS discussion again. I have looked at the likely teams for the BCS and this is not farfetched at all. So, the world may have become a little cloudy, but the sun will rise on the Irish again this week. We are not about to jump off that cliff.


Random Thought: ND is getting abused by the media, but Oklahoma has lost 4 games without anyone noticing. Yes, they did lose Bradford, but you are telling me that their mighty D can’t make up some of that slack. We lost our QB for parts of a couple games, our WR for 5 games, our RB for 3 games and now our TE for the remainder of the season.
 

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I posted something about this with the BCS too. If we beat Pitt, we are back in the top 25 and its not totally unheard of for a team to jump 10 spots in two weeks. There's also not many appealing at-large teams this year either, and the only sure things seem to be the Bama/Fla loser and the higher ranked TCU/Boise team. Besides that it could be 10-2 USC, 10-2 PSU, 10-2 Iowa, 10-2 Miami, the lower ranked TCU/Boise, and a 9-3 ND going for the last two spots. And honestly whenever ND is even available for a spot, they always have a great chance to be chosen. The computers still have us ranked #29 right now also, so that part of the ranking shouldn't be a problem is we finish 9-3.
 

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With three losses, I don't even know why you would consider ND for a BCS bowl game. Everyone in the top ten would have to lose. I think the BCS game went out the window with the loss to Navy.
 

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With three losses, I don't even know why you would consider ND for a BCS bowl game. Everyone in the top ten would have to lose. I think the BCS game went out the window with the loss to Navy.

Illinois was 7-3 and unranked and then made it to a BCS game in 2007 by winning their last two. Granted the Rose Bowl was desperate for a Big 10/Pac 10 matchup, but still.
 

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Are you really seriously talking BCS right now? 7-5 is just as real a possibility as 9-3 right now fellas. Thats the truth.
 

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Random Thought: ND is getting abused by the media, but Oklahoma has lost 4 games without anyone noticing. Yes, they did lose Bradford, but you are telling me that their mighty D can’t make up some of that slack. We lost our QB for parts of a couple games, our WR for 5 games, our RB for 3 games and now our TE for the remainder of the season.

Random answer for your random thought. Stoops has earned a couple of free passes, Charlie hasn't earned much of anything.
 

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That's a BS statement about Stoops, he hasn't earned crap except getting blown out in every BCS game they go to
 

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BCS argument aside, since we all know Charlies terrific performances, compare records. You'll find that Stoops is averaging 11-2 seasons, Weis 7-5. Sorry pal.
 
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Wow, you can't just compare records and say, that's the way it is.

Your argument is wrong because ND takes heat for being ND, and Oklahoma isn't taking heat because no one gives a fuck that Oklahoma sucks
 

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I know the entire ND family has spent the last few days standing on the edge of the cliff looking over at the jagged rocks below. I cannot deny that I walked up to the edge and looked over, but decided against jumping or even standing there any longer. My decision has been to stand with the “BCS cup is still half full”. How do I manage to keep myself in this frame of mind, well let’s take a look.

First, let’s look at the game which brought all this upon us, NAVY. Based on the reaction of the entire nation, you would think we were soundly thrashed to within one inch of our life. Reality is that Navy played one hell of a game and if it could go wrong for ND, it did. Look at how the offense performed: they never punted, passed for over 500 yards and ran the ball effectively, but we did not run much due to playing from behind. On defense, we gave up 21 points in total. One of Navy’s drives was only 30 yards. So, how did we lose, two missed FG’s, fumble on the goal line, fumble on first possession in ND territory, freak INT off Floyd’s back. Plus, we were caught looking ahead to Pitt. The team made mistakes, the coaches made mistakes and we had bad breaks. Remember folks, even in the days of LOU, we had Navy games come down to a final play.
Next, this is not a team lacking talent this year or for the coming years. Based on some of the articles I have read the last couple days, you would think that the flute player from the band will be needed to play for the “poor Irish”. What roster are these people looking at. We are going to return most of our talent again in 2010. Yes, Jimmy is likely headed to the NFL and maybe Tate is too. Guess what, Jimmy was going NFL no matter what our record, bowl game or head coach. He is the best QB in college football. Tate is probably a 50/50. We will return tons of offensive talent at all skill positions and believe it or not good defensive talent. I will gladly take Teo, Ethan Johnson, KLM all a year bigger and stonger. Toss in some underclass talent like Slaughter, McCarthy, Motto.

Further, our so called crappy coach is still assembling a great recruiting class. He is filling all the positions of need with solid talent. We probably lose Chris Martin, that writing was on the wall well before the Navy game. I guess that idea that good players won’t come to ND anymore is still false.

Finally, opportunity is staring ND in the face. This week ND is playing a Top 10 team on the road, Pittsburgh. Every sports mind in America will have us losing this game. In reality, I see us winning. Charlie has been preparing the team for this game for 3 weeks. Look at the vanilla game plan against both WSU and Navy. He knew this was going to be a huge game and has planned accordingly. A win at Pitt, home against Uconn and at Stanford who is rated Top 25 puts ND squarely in the BCS discussion again. I have looked at the likely teams for the BCS and this is not farfetched at all. So, the world may have become a little cloudy, but the sun will rise on the Irish again this week. We are not about to jump off that cliff.


Random Thought: ND is getting abused by the media, but Oklahoma has lost 4 games without anyone noticing. Yes, they did lose Bradford, but you are telling me that their mighty D can’t make up some of that slack. We lost our QB for parts of a couple games, our WR for 5 games, our RB for 3 games and now our TE for the remainder of the season.

See link below, tell me the close game.

Notre Dame Football Database


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Season: Final AP Poll:
Season Record: Final Coaches Poll:

Game Site: Month: Day: Year:


ND Coach: HOLTZ Opponent: NAVY
ND Rank: Opponent Rank:
ND Score: Opponent Score:
Points ND Won By: Points ND Lost By:


Games: 11 ND Wins: 11 ND Losses: 0 Ties: 0 Pct: 1.000



Season Site Month Day Year Coach W/L/T Score ND Rank Opponent Opp. Rank
1986 BALTIMORE NOV 1 1986 HOLTZ W 33-14 Not Ranked NAVY Not Ranked
1987 HOME OCT 31 1987 HOLTZ W 56-13 9 NAVY Not Ranked
1988 BALTIMORE OCT 29 1988 HOLTZ W 22-7 2 NAVY Not Ranked
1989 HOME NOV 4 1989 HOLTZ W 41-0 1 NAVY Not Ranked
1990 GIANTS STADIUM NOV 3 1990 HOLTZ W 52-31 2 NAVY Not Ranked
1991 HOME NOV 2 1991 HOLTZ W 38-0 5 NAVY Not Ranked
1992 GIANTS STADIUM OCT 31 1992 HOLTZ W 38-7 10 NAVY Not Ranked
1993 VETERANS STADIUM OCT 30 1993 HOLTZ W 58-27 2 NAVY Not Ranked
1994 HOME OCT 29 1994 HOLTZ W 58-21 Not Ranked NAVY Not Ranked
1995 HOME NOV 4 1995 HOLTZ W 35-17 12 NAVY Not Ranked
1996 DUBLIN NOV 2 1996 HOLTZ W 54-27 19 NAVY Not Ranked
 
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That's a BS statement about Stoops, he hasn't earned crap except getting blown out in every BCS game they go to

Are you high? He has a National Championship, just an FYI. He's something like 109 and 25. Yeah, what a bum. I know you are defending Weis, and that's fine, but let's be real here.
 

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Are you high? He has a National Championship, just an FYI. He's something like 109 and 25. Yeah, what a bum. I know you are defending Weis, and that's fine, but let's be real here.

There is no such thing as reality on these boards..
 

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I know the entire ND family has spent the last few days standing on the edge of the cliff looking over at the jagged rocks below. I cannot deny that I walked up to the edge and looked over, but decided against jumping or even standing there any longer. My decision has been to stand with the “BCS cup is still half full”. How do I manage to keep myself in this frame of mind, well let’s take a look.

First, let’s look at the game which brought all this upon us, NAVY. Based on the reaction of the entire nation, you would think we were soundly thrashed to within one inch of our life. Reality is that Navy played one hell of a game and if it could go wrong for ND, it did. Look at how the offense performed: they never punted, passed for over 500 yards and ran the ball effectively, but we did not run much due to playing from behind. On defense, we gave up 21 points in total. One of Navy’s drives was only 30 yards. So, how did we lose, two missed FG’s, fumble on the goal line, fumble on first possession in ND territory, freak INT off Floyd’s back. Plus, we were caught looking ahead to Pitt. The team made mistakes, the coaches made mistakes and we had bad breaks. Remember folks, even in the days of LOU, we had Navy games come down to a final play.

Next, this is not a team lacking talent this year or for the coming years. Based on some of the articles I have read the last couple days, you would think that the flute player from the band will be needed to play for the “poor Irish”. What roster are these people looking at. We are going to return most of our talent again in 2010. Yes, Jimmy is likely headed to the NFL and maybe Tate is too. Guess what, Jimmy was going NFL no matter what our record, bowl game or head coach. He is the best QB in college football. Tate is probably a 50/50. We will return tons of offensive talent at all skill positions and believe it or not good defensive talent. I will gladly take Teo, Ethan Johnson, KLM all a year bigger and stonger. Toss in some underclass talent like Slaughter, McCarthy, Motto.

Further, our so called crappy coach is still assembling a great recruiting class. He is filling all the positions of need with solid talent. We probably lose Chris Martin, that writing was on the wall well before the Navy game. I guess that idea that good players won’t come to ND anymore is still false.

Finally, opportunity is staring ND in the face. This week ND is playing a Top 10 team on the road, Pittsburgh. Every sports mind in America will have us losing this game. In reality, I see us winning. Charlie has been preparing the team for this game for 3 weeks. Look at the vanilla game plan against both WSU and Navy. He knew this was going to be a huge game and has planned accordingly. A win at Pitt, home against Uconn and at Stanford who is rated Top 25 puts ND squarely in the BCS discussion again. I have looked at the likely teams for the BCS and this is not farfetched at all. So, the world may have become a little cloudy, but the sun will rise on the Irish again this week. We are not about to jump off that cliff.


Random Thought: ND is getting abused by the media, but Oklahoma has lost 4 games without anyone noticing. Yes, they did lose Bradford, but you are telling me that their mighty D can’t make up some of that slack. We lost our QB for parts of a couple games, our WR for 5 games, our RB for 3 games and now our TE for the remainder of the season.

If we win out here are the teams we have a good chance of passing in the top 25:

Iowa will lose to OSU and Minn
Stanford after we beat them
Clemson might lose a game
South Florida will lose
BYU will lose one or two more games
Wisconsin is iffy
VT not so sure no big wins left for them, they have 3 losses
PS needs to lose to Mich St,
AZ will lose
OK St will lose
UT will lose
OR might lose
Houston might lose
Miami could lose
USC could lose
OSU need some help from UM
LSU could lose 1 or 2
Pitt, we beat them then WVU or Cincy beats them
GT if they lose 2

That's 18-19 teams that if we finish strong and they do not we pass them up.

Jonesman we're in!
 

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Ok, there are 2 spots for the NC game, let's say Texas and Alabama/Florida winner. There are 8 remaining BCS spots. 1 Big 10, 1 Pac 10, 1 Big East, 1 ACC are guaranteed. We can safely assume the Alabama/Florida loser, TCU and Boise St. are in. That leaves 1 spot. Sorry, not happening. The 2 non BCS schools really throw it out of whack.

If the Tree beats SC and Cal, they could be a top 20 team when we play them, but even if that's the case and we do win out, we may be in the top 14, but still headed to the Gator Bowl. And I'm fine with that.
 

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This gives me atleast a little bit of hope but we need to be worried about the next 3 games before this discussion comes up
 
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I wouldn't even want a BCS Bowl if we win out. Just give us the Gator Bowl if that happens. I do not want to see a massacre and a ruined BCS Bowl. It's bad enough that the Big Ten has an automatic bid.
 

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Guys,
If you think I am on drugs, I will spell this out right here. Here are a few facts. One, there are 10 spots open. Each BCS conf is guaranteed 1 spot. No conferecnce can have more than 2. So here we go.

SEC - Alabama, Florida (2 teams)

Big Ten - OSU. Iowa is gonna get killed this week. PSU has 2 losses with NO Top 25 wins and may lose yet at MSU. (1 team)

Big 12 - Texas. Ok State is the only other 2 loss team in the mix, just don't see them getting in. They have Tex Tech and Okla yet.

Big East - Cincy. Pitt losing to ND and Cincy would do them in. If Pitt beats Cincy, that would be a quandry, but still say only ONE team. (1 team)

ACC - Georgia Tech. Miami is the only other team in the mix and they play UNC and South Fla, so loss is possible.

Pac 10 - Ariz, Oregon and USC. Arizona has both Oregon and USC left, so loss at either puts them with 3 losses. Oregon has Oregon St, ASU and Ariz left which likely means another loss. USC has Ariz, UCLA and Stanford which means a loss is possible. I am betting that atleast two of these teams have 3 losses. (1 team)

At-Large - TCU and Boise St. There will be one of these teams, maybe two. TCU has Utah this week. Boise plays Nevada in their last game.

So, let's add it up:
Alabama + Florida + OSU + Texas + Georgia Tech + Cincy + USC + TCU= 8 teams

On the bubble for 2 spots:
Oklahoma St., Penn St., Miami, Pittsburgh, Oregon, Arizona, Boise St.

CONCLUSION: If the Irish win solid at Pitt and Stanford against these Top 10 and Top 25 ranked teams on the road, we are 9-3. The BCS is going to take atleast one or maybe two teams with 3 losses, so why not the IRISH!!!! If I am Charlie, I have spelled this out to the kids. Seems like great motivation to me.
 

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I don't think you are on drugs. Just maybe suffered some catastrophic loss or something recently.

Great posts and great possibilites.
 
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Guys,
If you think I am on drugs, I will spell this out right here. Here are a few facts. One, there are 10 spots open. Each BCS conf is guaranteed 1 spot. No conferecnce can have more than 2. So here we go.

SEC - Alabama, Florida (2 teams)

Big Ten - OSU. Iowa is gonna get killed this week. PSU has 2 losses with NO Top 25 wins and may lose yet at MSU. (1 team)

Big 12 - Texas. Ok State is the only other 2 loss team in the mix, just don't see them getting in. They have Tex Tech and Okla yet.

Big East - Cincy. Pitt losing to ND and Cincy would do them in. If Pitt beats Cincy, that would be a quandry, but still say only ONE team. (1 team)

ACC - Georgia Tech. Miami is the only other team in the mix and they play UNC and South Fla, so loss is possible.

Pac 10 - Ariz, Oregon and USC. Arizona has both Oregon and USC left, so loss at either puts them with 3 losses. Oregon has Oregon St, ASU and Ariz left which likely means another loss. USC has Ariz, UCLA and Stanford which means a loss is possible. I am betting that atleast two of these teams have 3 losses. (1 team)

At-Large - TCU and Boise St. There will be one of these teams, maybe two. TCU has Utah this week. Boise plays Nevada in their last game.

So, let's add it up:
Alabama + Florida + OSU + Texas + Georgia Tech + Cincy + USC + TCU= 8 teams

On the bubble for 2 spots:
Oklahoma St., Penn St., Miami, Pittsburgh, Oregon, Arizona, Boise St.

CONCLUSION: If the Irish win solid at Pitt and Stanford against these Top 10 and Top 25 ranked teams on the road, we are 9-3. The BCS is going to take atleast one or maybe two teams with 3 losses, so why not the IRISH!!!! If I am Charlie, I have spelled this out to the kids. Seems like great motivation to me.


It beats looking at it the way most people are looking at it
 

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Which way is that? Reality?

do you seek out my posts just to put your 2 cents in?

I just said its a better way to look at things than the typical "season is over" or "fire everybody" approach that most people have taken.

Your perception of reality may very well be one of those to scenarios, and more power to ya, i am not gonna waste my time to try and convince people what they should be thinking.

I choose my reality to be much more positive, we are 6-3 with a good chance to win out and it starts with Pitt this week.

I am guilty of being to emotionally vested in this team, but i have chosen not to let losses ruin my week or overall outlook on life.
 

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Guys,
If you think I am on drugs, I will spell this out right here. Here are a few facts. One, there are 10 spots open. Each BCS conf is guaranteed 1 spot. No conferecnce can have more than 2. So here we go.

SEC - Alabama, Florida (2 teams)

Big Ten - OSU. Iowa is gonna get killed this week. PSU has 2 losses with NO Top 25 wins and may lose yet at MSU. (1 team)

Big 12 - Texas. Ok State is the only other 2 loss team in the mix, just don't see them getting in. They have Tex Tech and Okla yet.

Big East - Cincy. Pitt losing to ND and Cincy would do them in. If Pitt beats Cincy, that would be a quandry, but still say only ONE team. (1 team)

ACC - Georgia Tech. Miami is the only other team in the mix and they play UNC and South Fla, so loss is possible.

Pac 10 - Ariz, Oregon and USC. Arizona has both Oregon and USC left, so loss at either puts them with 3 losses. Oregon has Oregon St, ASU and Ariz left which likely means another loss. USC has Ariz, UCLA and Stanford which means a loss is possible. I am betting that atleast two of these teams have 3 losses. (1 team)

At-Large - TCU and Boise St. There will be one of these teams, maybe two. TCU has Utah this week. Boise plays Nevada in their last game.

So, let's add it up:
Alabama + Florida + OSU + Texas + Georgia Tech + Cincy + USC + TCU= 8 teams

On the bubble for 2 spots:
Oklahoma St., Penn St., Miami, Pittsburgh, Oregon, Arizona, Boise St.

CONCLUSION: If the Irish win solid at Pitt and Stanford against these Top 10 and Top 25 ranked teams on the road, we are 9-3. The BCS is going to take atleast one or maybe two teams with 3 losses, so why not the IRISH!!!! If I am Charlie, I have spelled this out to the kids. Seems like great motivation to me.

The next 3 weeks are going be one huge mess, I think it's great! It's so much more fun to watch everything unfold through chaos than to have a plain cut format. The Irish could make it in if everything plays out perfectly. The big question is do we really want the BCS bid? I'm on the fence. The last thing I want is for a miracle to happen and we make it in to a BCS game and then get crushed. Would a close game loss in a BCS game be better than a win in the Gator Bowl against say... Miami? I don't know yet... I just want to see them get to 9-3 and then I guess we can make up our minds on what we want.

Go Irish
 

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Reality Bites

Reality Bites

Which way is that? Reality?

Just watch the evening news. I look at alot of posts and I find that the positive ones make me feel better. We wll take this way too personal but most of us can't shake it. Some people can call it denial but alot of us still see the possibilites and choose to keep hope alive to win out, maintain program improvement, momentum and continuity. I think CW is a better coach than last year and with a new DC we will have a complete team. All we can ask for is to win out and let the chips fall where they may. Let's stick together and look forward to our best performances ahead.
 

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If we win out here are the teams we have a good chance of passing in the top 25:

Iowa will lose to OSU and Minn
Stanford after we beat them
Clemson might lose a game
South Florida will lose
BYU will lose one or two more games
Wisconsin is iffy
VT not so sure no big wins left for them, they have 3 losses
PS needs to lose to Mich St,
AZ will lose
OK St will lose
UT will lose
OR might lose
Houston might lose
Miami could lose
USC could lose
OSU need some help from UM
LSU could lose 1 or 2
Pitt, we beat them then WVU or Cincy beats them
GT if they lose 2

That's 18-19 teams that if we finish strong and they do not we pass them up.

Jonesman we're in!

I'm looking at this way that if we win out and win impressively, here are the teams who would be ranked ahead of us...

SEC: Florida, Bama, LSU
Big 10: OSU, PSU (they could lose to MSU), Wisconsin (they could lose again or win out and be below us)
Big East: Cincy
ACC: Georgia Tech, Miami (they could lose to USF), VA Tech (could win out and be below us)
Big 12: Texas, OK State (will probably lose to OU)
PAC-10: Oregon, USC
Non-BCS: TCU, Boise State, Houston (they could lose to ECU)

That's 17 teams, and 6 that I could easily see slipping up or getting jumped by us.
 

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I'm looking at this way that if we win out and win impressively, here are the teams who would be ranked ahead of us...

SEC: Florida, Bama, LSU
Big 10: OSU, PSU (they could lose to MSU), Wisconsin (they could lose again or win out and be below us)
Big East: Cincy
ACC: Georgia Tech, Miami (they could lose to USF), VA Tech (could win out and be below us)
Big 12: Texas, OK State (will probably lose to OU)
PAC-10: Oregon, USC
Non-BCS: TCU, Boise State, Houston (they could lose to ECU)

That's 17 teams, and 6 that I could easily see slipping up or getting jumped by us.

Let's hope this Sunday we can keep this thread going.
 
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