The Last Onside Kick

[PADOMERNUT]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but on the last onside kick, didnt it look like a Navy player batted the ball out of bounds? Robbie Parris did the same thing last year and got called for a penalty, and gave Navy another onside kick, which they recovered.

I would go back and watch it again but I already deleted it on my dvr.

 

[Mattmags]

Now that you mention it, you are right. the Navy defender clearly knocked the ball out of bounds to prevent ND from recovering it. In no way am I making excuses, cause we flat out lost that game, but it would have been nice to get the call and see what happens.

 

[BGIF]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but on the last onside kick, didnt it look like a Navy player batted the ball out of bounds? Robbie Parris did the same thing last year and got called for a penalty, and gave Navy another onside kick, which they recovered.

I would go back and watch it again but I already deleted it on my dvr.

I haven't watched the game again. The comment about putting your dog to sleep still hits home.

A question was raised at the Sunday Presser Charlie mentioned that it was punched out of bounds.

Q. I haven't seen the tape. How close did you come to recovering that second onside kick? COACH WEIS: Well, I think that their guy, their one guy kind of punched it -- Golden (Tate) the first time went up to get the ball. Golden was about ready to go up and get the ball again, but a guy kind of came and punched the ball out of bounds.

I checked the NCAA Rulebook but didn't find it. Here's a Link:

http://www.oficiales.org/A_2009/ncaa/NCAAINGLES/2009-10 NCAA Footbal Rule Book.pdf

That's the Kicking and Batting Section, Batting A Loose Ball. I'm not sure if Parris knocked the ball forward or out of bounds. I think out of bounds but don't recall. I don't know if the ball bouncing before being touched makes a difference in the ruling.


For argument's sake IF ND had recovered the kick there would have been time for maybe 3 plays. On the first onside kick no time came off the clock from the official play by play at ND site. http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2009-2010/navy.html

ND's third TD came with one minute left (1:00). After the recovery of that kick ND started a drive with 1:00 remaining in the game. After the second onside kick the Navy drive starts with 0:24 on the clock with the ball on the ND 40. Could ND have gone far enough for Tausch to make his first FG of the game? Maybe. Doubtful. Improbable but possible.

ND had higher probability of making one of the two FGs earlier in the game, or scoring on one of the Red Zone misfires.

 

[weisbank4]

I haven't watched the game again. The comment about putting your dog to sleep still hits home.

A question was raised at the Sunday Presser Charlie mentioned that it was punched out of bounds.



I checked the NCAA Rulebook but didn't find it. Here's a Link:

http://www.oficiales.org/A_2009/ncaa/NCAAINGLES/2009-10 NCAA Footbal Rule Book.pdf

That's the Kicking and Batting Section, Batting A Loose Ball. I'm not sure if Parris knocked the ball forward or out of bounds. I think out of bounds but don't recall. I don't know if the ball bouncing before being touched makes a difference in the ruling.


For argument's sake IF ND had recovered the kick there would have been time for maybe 3 plays. On the first onside kick no time came off the clock from the official play by play at ND site. http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2009-2010/navy.html

ND's third TD came with one minute left (1:00). After the recovery of that kick ND started a drive with 1:00 remaining in the game. After the second onside kick the Navy drive starts with 0:24 on the clock with the ball on the ND 40. Could ND have gone far enough for Tausch to make his first FG of the game? Maybe. Doubtful. Improbable but possible.

ND had higher probability of making one of the two FGs earlier in the game, or scoring on one of the Red Zone misfires.

I think ND easily could get 20-30 yards in 24 seconds and set up a field goal try. Are you kidding me? They were biting off chunks of yardage all day long between the 10's.

 

[BGIF]

I think ND easily could get 20-30 yards in 24 seconds and set up a field goal try. Are you kidding me? They were biting off chunks of yardage all day long between the 10's.

Reading is fundamental.

Could ND have gone far enough for Tausch to make his first FG of the game? Maybe. Doubtful. Improbable but possible.

Getting 20-30 yds would have to be done in one play allowing essentially no time for the FG unit to take the field, all 11 players lined up for the snap, and Taush's set up and alignment, the snap, the steps, the kick up in the air.

Your 20-30 yds would have taken the ball from the ND 40 to either the Navy 40 or Navy 30 resulting in a kick of 47 to 57 yds.

Now let's keep in mind Tausch had already missed with the ball on Navy's 24 and 12 yd lines. One went wide right; one went wide left.

Like I said,

Maybe. Doubtful. Improbable but possible.

Making one of the earlier, shorter kicks had higher probability.

 

[weisbank4]

Reading is fundamental.





Getting 20-30 yds would have to be done in one play allowing essentially no time for the FG unit to take the field, all 11 players lined up for the snap, and Taush's set up and alignment, the snap, the steps, the kick up in the air.

Your 20-30 yds would have taken the ball from the ND 40 to either the Navy 40 or Navy 30 resulting in a kick of 47 to 57 yds.

Now let's keep in mind Tausch had already missed with the ball on Navy's 24 and 12 yd lines. One went wide right; one went wide left.

Like I said,

Making one of the earlier, shorter kicks had higher probability.

Yeah, considering they scored a TD in 36 seconds, Id say getting in field goal range isnt exactly a stretch from near mid field considering the clock stops on a first down, you line up and spike the ball, then repeat until you have your chance. Incomplete passes the clock stops.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Watch it again. Ball hit Filer right in the numbers.

 

[irishfan]

No idea if maybe the rule doesn't apply if the kicking team has already touched the ball? Looked like Filer touched it first.

 

[bert2834]

Speaking of odd calls, I am not even sure if this is a penalty.
On Parris's fumble in the 1st quarter, Robbie tries to get to the ball but the Navy player holds his leg and prevents him from trying to get to it.
Is that legal?

 

[PUREBREEDIRISH]

so sick...

so sick...

I am so SICK of the bad officiating this year, from the Clock bullsh*t with michigan, to the bad calls at the m.s.u. game, to the penalties at the usc game and the no calls at the Navy game....If and this is a big IF, but if we did decent, not even good but decent refs this year we would be smoking right now...

 

[phork]

NM all the other stuff. Our Onside kick team is the best in the country. You see those kicks? Can't get them better than that. Hopefully we don't need to use them again..