Why Would Notre Dame Want Anybody But Charlie Weis at This Point?

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I think this is a good article by bleacher report.........
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Why Would Notre Dame Want Anybody But Charlie Weis at This Point? | Bleacher Report
 

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Yeah, Charlie is building something special that we haven't seen in a very long time... to get rid of him would ruin all of the momentum we have had.
 

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Every single argument this guy makes is the classic "losers argument".

I was hoping for some meaningful content but this article isn't it.
 

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Hmmmm. Why would anyone want someone else than Charlie? Are you fucking kidding me? I"m not even going to waste my time reading the article because I can give you a thousand reasons why we SHOULD have someone rather than Charlie.
 

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I like the direction the program is heading in and I'm *hoping* Weis is the guy to get us back to perennial national championship contention. But this particular article is riddled with poor analysis -- and offers nothing more than anecdotal evidence to support his porous arguments.
 

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Hmmmm. Why would anyone want someone else than Charlie? Are you fucking kidding me? I"m not even going to waste my time reading the article because I can give you a thousand reasons why we SHOULD have someone rather than Charlie.

Yes because were on such a downward slide............
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there is really no reason to get rid of him at this point. it would hurt ND more than it would help them at this point

but for the record i have always been a backer of weis, but then again i always have the back of the coach until the program really looks to be going down the drain, i.e. willingham
 

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Hmmmm. Why would anyone want someone else than Charlie? Are you fucking kidding me? I"m not even going to waste my time reading the article because I can give you a thousand reasons why we SHOULD have someone rather than Charlie.

Aaaaaaaaand NDOM flocks to a Weis thread like a shark flocks to blood in the water.
 

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Hmmmm. Why would anyone want someone else than Charlie? Are you fucking kidding me? I"m not even going to waste my time reading the article because I can give you a thousand reasons why we SHOULD have someone rather than Charlie.

Maybe..... but aren't you wasting your time telling us how your not gonna waste your time!

Seriously?
 

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Would you say that they are closer to being elite now than they were before Weis was hired?

Do we really even have to answer that? Two BCS bowls, an end to a bowl losing streak (and spare me the "but it was the Hawaii Bowl comments"),

I would say they are better. But seriously, the 2 BCS bowl arguements? You mean the 2 BCS bowls that ND was either grossly over matched, or grossly out coached? And yes, it is just the Hawaii bowl. While as impressive as it was, all you BoiseSt haters must know that they handed Hawaii their heads firmly pulled through their asses.

And a national championship next year? Not with this defense. And if you say "Well Charlie doesn't have anything to do with the defense" then you are proving us skeptics right. Charlie is the head coach, not just the offensive co-ordinator.

And I don't mind "wasting" my time reading stuff like this. I like to see everyones points on the matter. And this deal about setting the program back? Really? With the talent that is here, and the recruits that don't bail, the next coach will have an easier time turning it around, or rather pushing up to the next level. If its the right guy.

I don't hate Charlie Weis, he is a great guy. I just don't think he is the last rung on the ladder to get to the top tier.
 

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I would say they are better. But seriously, the 2 BCS bowl arguements? You mean the 2 BCS bowls that ND was either grossly over matched, or grossly out coached? And yes, it is just the Hawaii bowl. While as impressive as it was, all you BoiseSt haters must know that they handed Hawaii their heads firmly pulled through their asses.

And a national championship next year? Not with this defense. And if you say "Well Charlie doesn't have anything to do with the defense" then you are proving us skeptics right. Charlie is the head coach, not just the offensive co-ordinator.

And I don't mind "wasting" my time reading stuff like this. I like to see everyones points on the matter. And this deal about setting the program back? Really? With the talent that is here, and the recruits that don't bail, the next coach will have an easier time turning it around, or rather pushing up to the next level. If its the right guy.

I don't hate Charlie Weis, he is a great guy. I just don't think he is the last rung on the ladder to get to the top tier.


To be fair, we werent overmatched or outcoached against OSU. How the media was able to twist that game into a "blowout" is still crazy to me. The total yards really weren't close, but it was still a 7 point game with 5 mins left and we just couldnt get OSU's offense off the field. I know it was a defensive one, but we had a TD called back in that game too (even if Zibby did drop the ball on the 1 before he went into the endzone). I think the argument people are trying to make about a new coach setting the program back is that there will most likely be a few tranfers, Clausen/Tate leaving early also which would drop us from a top 5 offense to hopefully still a top 25 one for next year, and some recruits who would possibly decommit for next year. Also if you bring in a guy like Kelly who hasnt necessarily been recruiting a lot of high profile guys, a fair amount of recruits will probably be hesitant to see how he does before committing to him.
 

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Also if you bring in a guy like Kelly who hasnt necessarily been recruiting a lot of high profile guys, a fair amount of recruits will probably be hesitant to see how he does before committing to him.

So would it be fair to say that a guy like Kelly is doing more with less?
 

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So would it be fair to say that a guy like Kelly is doing more with less?

Depends what "more" means. I like Kelly and Cincy but if "more" means that your best wins are against Oregon State, USF, WVU, and Pitt than it doesnt mean much, and going 0-2 when playing a ranked team out of conference or in bowls, then yes I suppose he is doing "more." The OSU wins are nice, but they are notorious for starting the year off slow, and both wins came in September. And to be fair, the Big East really doesnt challenge itself out of conference enough and teams are so inconsistent that I can't say if going 5-2 against USF, WVU, and Pitt is that impressive or not. I'll give him credit in the fact that his teams always come to play and never have down games but the same can really be said for ND teams under Weis. I know people will point out the Syracuse game or the SDSU one last year or maybe the BC one, but I think for the most part you can say that since the awful 2007 season Weis' teams have always come to play, and even if they haven't executed perfectly, they have played extremely hard for him.
 

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So would it be fair to say that a guy like Kelly is doing more with less?

No because who is he playing. You can knock ND's schedule but the Big East is pathetic. Put Weis at Cinci and they are probably still undefeated. Put Kelly at ND and the Irish are still not undefeated. Brian Kelly will get you a good 9-10 wins a year. thats it. Thats is what he has done everywhere he has gone. I would rather see what Weis can do especially since we are so close to being able to reload as opposed to replace
 

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No because who is he playing. You can knock ND's schedule but the Big East is pathetic. Put Weis at Cinci and they are probably still undefeated. Put Kelly at ND and the Irish are still not undefeated. Brian Kelly will get you a good 9-10 wins a year. thats it. Thats is what he has done everywhere he has gone. I would rather see what Weis can do especially since we are so close to being able to reload as opposed to replace

Good points. Brian Kelly also has not proven he can recruit or coach at an elite level school such as Notre Dame.
 

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i like the article, it was a good read and voiced many of what we've been saying for a while now.
 

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Don't really even know what to say about this, NDOM and Phork are the just Weis haters and need to just stay off these threads, seriously gimme a break. Weis has done extremely well in my eyes. This program was in absolute shambles after Davies and Willingham. We are just now getting to the point where we are competing again, and with the recruiting ability that this staff has shown, once we get back, we will reload each year instead of rebuild, i.e. USC..... I think he needs to take a bit more initiative on getting the defense figured out, but even the defense has been rebuilding. Hell the scheme has changed 3 times in three years..............


Weis deserves to be the head coach of Notre Dame. The first two years should be considered moot because NONE of those players were his. If you take the last three years as the barometer, he has improved vastly each year.

Coaching shouldn't be about WIN NOW all the time. Its exactly why the US economy is so shitty because of that exact same mentality of WANT WANT WANT, instead of building on something great. Weis IS building something great. ITs going to take some time, and if things start to slip then he should definitely be on the hot seat, but the point is HE HASN'T. He has improved each and every year, and has shown flashes of getting us back into the National Championship picture, that the point right??? The point is to "build" the program so that we can return to glory. I would take a program like USC with the occasional NC opportunity than some flash in the pan NC. The coaching carousel is an absolute joke and until people understand that we will always suffer as a program.
 

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... NDOM and Phork are the just Weis haters and need to just stay off these threads ...

No. Nope. Nah. Nyet. No way.

A lick now and then of a little sugar scree on The Big Rock Candy Mountain is fine and good. It keeps the system humming along. Without water, protein and salt, though, the body loses strength. It shrivels and dies.

Boys will be boyz. One man's trash is another man's treasure. One man's ceiling is another man's floor.

Truth is truth and packaged in many flavors. Give 'em all a try, enjoy the feast.

Sweet and savory, baby; Bon Appetite!
 
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To be fair, we werent overmatched or outcoached against OSU. How the media was able to twist that game into a "blowout" is still crazy to me. The total yards really weren't close, but it was still a 7 point game with 5 mins left and we just couldnt get OSU's offense off the field. I know it was a defensive one, but we had a TD called back in that game too (even if Zibby did drop the ball on the 1 before he went into the endzone). I think the argument people are trying to make about a new coach setting the program back is that there will most likely be a few tranfers, Clausen/Tate leaving early also which would drop us from a top 5 offense to hopefully still a top 25 one for next year, and some recruits who would possibly decommit for next year. Also if you bring in a guy like Kelly who hasnt necessarily been recruiting a lot of high profile guys, a fair amount of recruits will probably be hesitant to see how he does before committing to him.

Actually, we were. I was at the game, and it was clear that tOSU was the better team. However, Brady Quinn and company never gave up. The parallels between that team and this one are not lost on me, believe me. ND's offense was good enough to move the ball and score on a stellar tOSU defense. But tOSU's offense was on the verge of breaking the game open most of the second half. If we go down a similar path, this year, let's hope for a better outcome.
 

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Actually, we were. I was at the game, and it was clear that tOSU was the better team. However, Brady Quinn and company never gave up. The parallels between that team and this one are not lost on me, believe me. ND's offense was good enough to move the ball and score on a stellar tOSU defense. But tOSU's offense was on the verge of breaking the game open most of the second half. If we go down a similar path, this year, let's hope for a better outcome.

I know OSU had better talent. I'm just saying people lump the LSU Sugar Bowl and the OSU Fiesta Bowl together saying they were both blowouts and we didnt belong on the field. Clearly that was the case with the LSU game, but I feel like we atleast could match up with OSU. It almost seems like with the OSU game we would win 1 out of every 3 times maybe and with the LSU one it was more like 1 out of 10. Kindve a weird way to break it down lol
 

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Don't really even know what to say about this, NDOM and Phork are the just Weis haters and need to just stay off these threads, seriously gimme a break. Weis has done extremely well in my eyes. This program was in absolute shambles after Davies and Willingham. We are just now getting to the point where we are competing again, and with the recruiting ability that this staff has shown, once we get back, we will reload each year instead of rebuild, i.e. USC..... I think he needs to take a bit more initiative on getting the defense figured out, but even the defense has been rebuilding. Hell the scheme has changed 3 times in three years..............

I don't know how many more times I am going to have to say this. I don't hate Weis. I just don't think he is the one thats going to bring ND to the next level. And you can't have it both ways. You tell me the first 2 years are moot, yet you then point to Weis first 2 years in the BCS? Come on man.
 
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I would say they are better. But seriously, the 2 BCS bowl arguements? You mean the 2 BCS bowls that ND was either grossly over matched, or grossly out coached? And yes, it is just the Hawaii bowl. While as impressive as it was, all you BoiseSt haters must know that they handed Hawaii their heads firmly pulled through their asses.

And a national championship next year? Not with this defense. And if you say "Well Charlie doesn't have anything to do with the defense" then you are proving us skeptics right. Charlie is the head coach, not just the offensive co-ordinator.

And I don't mind "wasting" my time reading stuff like this. I like to see everyones points on the matter. And this deal about setting the program back? Really? With the talent that is here, and the recruits that don't bail, the next coach will have an easier time turning it around, or rather pushing up to the next level. If its the right guy.

I don't hate Charlie Weis, he is a great guy. I just don't think he is the last rung on the ladder to get to the top tier.

I'm glad to see you aren't bitter... :razz:
 
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So would it be fair to say that a guy like Kelly is doing more with less?

Yes and no. Tell me Cincinnati has anything near the target ND does and I'll reiterate the fact you have delusional tendencies.

Of course Cincy has less. But they aren't a true threat to any hierarchy. Let's face it and get off the band wagon.
 
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