Jimmy Just Won himself a spot in New York IMO

[elkona]

Jimmy will get invited to NY IF he plays well against USC and ND either wins the game or keeps it VERY close. A win against Purdue won't get you a Heisman invite, fellow homer domers. Remember, most of the Heisman voters didn't even watch this game. They might see the last drive on ESPN highlights, but they'll probably leave thinking, "once again, ND squeaks out another close victory against a mediocre Big 10 team." I think JC is the best pro-style QB in the country, but the Tebow/McCoy bandwagon is so full, JC needs a signature victory to knock it off track. And look, after what happened to Tebow yesterday, he's also going to be the sentimental favorite.

 

[GDomer09]

Jimmy's going to eat the world up when they see the most steller QB performance in ND history against USC!!!! Except the world outside of Irish Faithfull hates the hell out of Notre Dame with a passion. Unless Jimmy performs outstanding every game for the rest of the year he's prob not even going to get invited let alone win it. Sad but true. How can we change the world and sports media's hearts????? BCS win!!!!

 

[GoIrish41]

That is what leaders do. Leading us to a touchdown in 2 minutes on an injured foot only playing that final drive for real pretty much going 6-9 passing. That is what a heisman caliber player does.

"Weis will not get fired because of me" ----Jimmy Clausen. Stays true to his word.

A bit of an overstatement, IMO. I think what Heisman caliber players do is throw for 420 yards and 4 or 5 TDs. Jimmy gutted this one out, for sure, and got us the win. But 174 yards, one TD and one INT isn't going to buy a trip to NY. That's just silly.

 

[bert2834]

USC is not that good. There offense is shaky and wouldn't score many points against a high school team.

Just cause one team dominates for a couple of years doesn't automatically make them the winner.

Also, the best team on paper doesn't always win!

Have faith NDOM. Man, I couldn't imagine living life being that negative all the time.

 

[notredomer23]

A bit of an overstatement, IMO. I think what Heisman caliber players do is throw for 420 yards and 4 or 5 TDs. Jimmy gutted this one out, for sure, and got us the win. But 174 yards, one TD and one INT isn't going to buy a trip to NY. That's just silly.

he only played 3 drives.....

 

[JughedJones]

That is what leaders do. Leading us to a touchdown in 2 minutes on an injured foot only playing that final drive for real pretty much going 6-9 passing. That is what a heisman caliber player does.

"Weis will not get fired because of me" ----Jimmy Clausen. Stays true to his word.

That was Leadership.


CW did what he needed to to win that game, I think it was genius.





GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'd love to see JC in NY, but he's on a bum wheel and he's got a mountain full of hate against him to overcome. He's doing that, slowly but surely, but he's going have to heal up and get someone besides Rudolph and tate to step up and help him, because teams are just going to bracket those 2 and dare the rest to beat him. But nd23, it could happen, but he needs some breaks.

he only played 3 drives.....

Not quite. He played 2 drives in the last quarter, plus the entire 1st quarter.

 

[GDomer09]

That was Leadership.


CW did what he needed to to win that game, I think it was genius.





GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will that be enough for USC!!!!! We gotta stop calling the man a genius. Thats why everyone hates us and our coach. When he wins a BCS bowl game maybe just maybe we can call him a genius, but until then lets just call him, "A Good Coach"

 

[phork]

USC is not that good.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

A bit of an overstatement, IMO. I think what Heisman caliber players do is throw for 420 yards and 4 or 5 TDs. Jimmy gutted this one out, for sure, and got us the win. But 174 yards, one TD and one INT isn't going to buy a trip to NY. That's just silly.

Tim Tebow has worse numbers than Jimmy and he is the front runner. He is playing inferior talent than ND has. It's not all about the numbers for the Heisman.

 

[Riddickulous]

The sad thing is: Nobody cares what Jimmy Clausen did, outside of the Notre Dame fanbase.

Everything that happened last night was overshadowed by the Tebow injury, which was, according to ESPN, even more tragic and horrifying than 9/11.

 

[bert2834]

How do you figure that USC is good?

I watched their games against OSU and Washington, to very mediocre teams and didn't even score 32 points total!

Be a USC fan and get off this board if you think they are so freaking good.

The people on here kill me. A win is a win!!!!!!

I was feeling good about that win til I come in here and read all the crappy posts about how bad we are from our own fans!

Is there even any other real ND fans on here? I am starting to wonder.

 

[GDomer09]

How do you figure that USC is good?

I watched their games against OSU and Washington, to very mediocre teams and didn't even score 32 points total!

Be a USC fan and get off this board if you think they are so freaking good.

The people on here kill me. A win is a win!!!!!!

I was feeling good about that win til I come in here and read all the crappy posts about how bad we are from our own fans!

Is there even any other real ND fans on here? I am starting to wonder.

I do agree with you, there are a lot of really bad downers on here, but at the same time you can be a fan and not blind to reality at the same time, and in reality we haven't played a solid team yet. It also makes it easier not to get your hopes up when your team is playing the way they are. Over expectations made my heart hurt too much, so I stopped doing that a couple of years ago. I recommend doing the same.

 

[TDHeysus]

The sad thing is: Nobody cares what Jimmy Clausen did, outside of the Notre Dame fanbase.

Everything that happened last night was overshadowed by the Tebow injury, which was, according to ESPN, even more tragic and horrifying than 9/11.

it means more to the ND fanbase, than all others....but even haters have to take notice. This game wont make Clausen-haters like him, but anyone watching CFB can see that Clausen is a different player. In addition to his high level of play this year, he is showing how to lead his team thru adversity and injuries(including his own injury).

How do you figure that USC is good?

USC is playing well defensively (hard to gauge, they have played cream puffs; OSU's offense is one-dimensional) The USC offense is all over the map. We have all heard PTC's revolving door policy at the QB position, but a maybe a bigger problem they are having right now is the turnovers. Before last week, Joe McKnight had more fumbles than TD's. Stefon had some fumble fingers too. Damian Williams has not been a big part of teh offense.
I would say that their offense is lacking any consistancy right now, and their defense has played well to this point, but largely untested. They havent faced an offense like CHARLIE WEIS' offense, or a QB like Clausen. Pryor is a running threat, he isnt beating anyone with his arm. We are going to miss Floyd in the USC game...with his turf toe, who knows how effective Mr. Clausen is going to be.

Be a USC fan and get off this board if you think they are so freaking good.

The people on here kill me. A win is a win!!!!!!

I was feeling good about that win til I come in here and read all the crappy posts about how bad we are from our own fans!

Is there even any other real ND fans on here? I am starting to wonder.

Good post

 

[kmoose]

How do you figure that USC is good?

I watched their games against OSU and Washington, to very mediocre teams and didn't even score 32 points total!

Be a USC fan and get off this board if you think they are so freaking good.

The people on here kill me. A win is a win!!!!!!

I was feeling good about that win til I come in here and read all the crappy posts about how bad we are from our own fans!

Is there even any other real ND fans on here? I am starting to wonder.

Bert,

I get your frustration. It's possible to be honest about the shortcomings of this team (and there are many) without taking a "the sky is falling" mentality. But, based on what I have seen of our defense, I think 'SC is going to roll us. It's possible that I am wrong, and I pray that I am. But, without Micheal Floyd, this offense is just slightly above average. If you look at the weekend results....Nevada gave up 31 points, Michigan gave up 33 points, and Michigan State gave up 38 points. So how good are those defenses, really? Don't get me wrong, with Michael Floyd, this offense can score in bunches on just about anyone. But without him, I'm not sure that they are all that stellar. What happens if those defenses really aren't any good, and our running game's success has just been an illusion? Then we will not be able to sustain drives, our defense will be on the field all day, and we will likely have to score in the high 40s to beat 'SC. 'SC may not be as tough as they have been, in the previous decade, but they are still a solid team. And their D can certainly shut down any offense that they force into playing one dimensional football. It really didn't take Purdue more than 4 possessions or so, to figure out the wildcat and significantly limit it's effectiveness. 'SC won't take that long, and will be loading up on touchdowns, in the meantime. I'm not trying to be negative here, just realistic. We just aren't the same team, without Michael Floyd on the field. And none of the other receivers show ANY indication of picking up his slack in the passing game.

 

[BeatSC]

HE better not try that corner of the endzone pass to anyone but Tate from this point on. KAmara should be a go to guy for that pass but he plays like a sissy compared to Floyd and Tate. It's a shame because he started out strong in a horrible year.

 

[jason_h537]

Bert,

I get your frustration. It's possible to be honest about the shortcomings of this team (and there are many) without taking a "the sky is falling" mentality. But, based on what I have seen of our defense, I think 'SC is going to roll us. It's possible that I am wrong, and I pray that I am. But, without Micheal Floyd, this offense is just slightly above average. If you look at the weekend results....Nevada gave up 31 points, Michigan gave up 33 points, and Michigan State gave up 38 points. So how good are those defenses, really? Don't get me wrong, with Michael Floyd, this offense can score in bunches on just about anyone. But without him, I'm not sure that they are all that stellar. What happens if those defenses really aren't any good, and our running game's success has just been an illusion? Then we will not be able to sustain drives, our defense will be on the field all day, and we will likely have to score in the high 40s to beat 'SC. 'SC may not be as tough as they have been, in the previous decade, but they are still a solid team. And their D can certainly shut down any offense that they force into playing one dimensional football. It really didn't take Purdue more than 4 possessions or so, to figure out the wildcat and significantly limit it's effectiveness. 'SC won't take that long, and will be loading up on touchdowns, in the meantime. I'm not trying to be negative here, just realistic. We just aren't the same team, without Michael Floyd on the field. And none of the other receivers show ANY indication of picking up his slack in the passing game.

USC scored 27 against WSU and could barely move the ball against OSU and Washington, but they suddenly become the real deal against us and ROLL us. i do not see that at all. They are right now a one dimesnional team. Granted that one dimension is what we struggled against but still one dimensional. They turn the ball over alot. and there defense is good but beatable.

You say we are not the same team without floyd and point to what? a Purdue gamme where Jimmy was hobblng and olny played about a quarter of football. They may be beat us. I say they don't but to suggest they roll us makes me think you only watch sportcenter to decide who is and is not good.

This goes to everyone who says USC will beat us by 3 scores and will roll us. Gimme a break. We got 3 weeks to get healthy and find other options at WR. Our team has just been tested for 3 weeks in a row and did not break. We have been able to build depth and improve (even if they are just baby steps) along the way. If you do not believe in this team then get the fuck off the bus.

 

[kmoose]

USC scored 27 against WSU and could barely move the ball against OSU and Washington, but they suddenly become the real deal against us and ROLL us. i do not see that at all. They are right now a one dimesnional team. Granted that one dimension is what we struggled against but still one dimensional. They turn the ball over alot. and there defense is good but beatable.

You say we are not the same team without floyd and point to what? a Purdue gamme where Jimmy was hobblng and olny played about a quarter of football. They may be beat us. I say they don't but to suggest they roll us makes me think you only watch sportcenter to decide who is and is not good.

This goes to everyone who says USC will beat us by 3 scores and will roll us. Gimme a break. We got 3 weeks to get healthy and find other options at WR. Our team has just been tested for 3 weeks in a row and did not break. We have been able to build depth and improve (even if they are just baby steps) along the way. If you do not believe in this team then get the fuck off the bus.

Take it easy, Chester. If I stated that I thought that the New England Patriots would roll us, would that mean that I don't believe in this team? No, it would just be an honest assessment. You point to USC barely being able to move the ball against OSU and Washington......... OSU's defense is light years better than our defense, and I'm not sure that Washington's isn't playing better than ours, as well. You honestly think that the defense has been tested and not broken? They gave up 14 4th quarter points, in 2 of those 3 games. As I said, I pray that I am wrong about the USC game. But, looking at the situation right now, it looks like we are primed to lose by at least 3 scores. Hopefully they can work out some of the kinks, over the next few weeks. But, if they don't, then we are likely in for a long day, come Oct. 17th.

 

[jason_h537]

Take it easy, Chester. If I stated that I thought that the New England Patriots would roll us, would that mean that I don't believe in this team? No, it would just be an honest assessment. You point to USC barely being able to move the ball against OSU and Washington......... OSU's defense is light years better than our defense, and I'm not sure that Washington's isn't playing better than ours, as well. You honestly think that the defense has been tested and not broken? They gave up 14 4th quarter points, in 2 of those 3 games. As I said, I pray that I am wrong about the USC game. But, looking at the situation right now, it looks like we are primed to lose by at least 3 scores. Hopefully they can work out some of the kinks, over the next few weeks. But, if they don't, then we are likely in for a long day, come Oct. 17th.

USCis not the New England Patruits they are another flawed college football. team. I am telling anyone on here that if they think USC will roll us they clearly have not watched them play at all this year.

 

[phork]

Whether or not you believe OSU is any good, their D is very good. USC's offense is "just" human this year. Big step throwing a freshman to the wolves. Unfortunately for everyone else USC's defense is still pretty good. You can tell story about the poodle all day long if you want, but the fact that he is something ridiculous like 85-6 in the last 7 years tells it all.
Frankly he has Charlies number, and its not going to change this year. There was a chance with Floyd in, but with no one stepping up in his place I can't see ND winning that game. Perhaps you've missed the last bunch of USC games, except for 2005 where I think Charlie caught him by surprise, every game has been a wipeout.

Tested and didn't break? If not for the sheer careless passes by MSU (twice) and Purdue it would be a whole other story. Tested sure, but things are a little broken right now.

What you guys don't seem to get is, people who point out the realities aren't against this team. Its like a car crash. You see it happening in slow motion and you are powerless to do anything about it. I enjoy a good debate as much as the next guy and thats why I come here. If this place was just a KoolAid swilling Homer site I don't think I'd have stuck around.

You don't think I am a fan? I have to hear this shit every week about how we got lucky again. And when ND lost to Michigan, let me tell you it wasn't pretty. Its been over 15 years since I could hang my hat on this team and feel like ND could hang with the elite. Is the team close? Yah I think it is. But teams with new coaches and shorter tenures are already showing improvement and running past ND.

But one thing I can't stand is the out and out Homerism that some people on this site like to wrap themselves in like the butter you lather up a turkey in. The Blue & Gold butter is nice, but open your eyes people. Celebrate the win, but don't be too smug to start looking past opponents, especially the USC. I am pretty sure they have earned their top billing. Now can ND earn theirs?

 

[kmoose]

USCis not the New England Patruits they are another flawed college football. team. I am telling anyone on here that if they think USC will roll us they clearly have not watched them play at all this year.

Have you watched our defense? They have played well, in spots, but have not put together a good game against anyone since the opener. It's not about how great USC is. It's about how limited our defense is. 'SC is a better team than Nevada, Michigan, Michigan State, or Purdue. When our defense folds for a quarter, like they did against 3 of those 4 teams, 'SC is likely to make them pay a much higher price. Is 'SC beatable? Absolutely! Does this ND team look like they are a team that can beat them? Maybe with a healthy Floyd and Clausen, but not without them.

 

[JohnnyIrish12]

I think that USC in the end will probably beat us but who knows, I don't think it will be a blow out. I think it will be closer to 2005 where it came down to the wire.

 

[ErickJD08]

Huh? Give me ONE just ONE reason why you think we are going to beat Usc? Laughing out FUCKING LOUD! Usc is going to MURDER us. Last time I checked.......Yep, we still dont have a defense. We lose to Usc by at least 3 touchdowns.

We have Jimmy. Washington won that game because of Locker. We will ALWAYS have a shot to win with Jimmy. And I think we win. SC is not that good. I think SC will get beat by Cal this week.

 

[jason_h537]

Whether or not you believe OSU is any good, their D is very good. USC's offense is "just" human this year. Big step throwing a freshman to the wolves. Unfortunately for everyone else USC's defense is still pretty good. You can tell story about the poodle all day long if you want, but the fact that he is something ridiculous like 85-6 in the last 7 years tells it all.
Frankly he has Charlies number, and its not going to change this year. There was a chance with Floyd in, but with no one stepping up in his place I can't see ND winning that game. Perhaps you've missed the last bunch of USC games, except for 2005 where I think Charlie caught him by surprise, every game has been a wipeout.

Tested and didn't break? If not for the sheer careless passes by MSU (twice) and Purdue it would be a whole other story. Tested sure, but things are a little broken right now.

What you guys don't seem to get is, people who point out the realities aren't against this team. Its like a car crash. You see it happening in slow motion and you are powerless to do anything about it. I enjoy a good debate as much as the next guy and thats why I come here. If this place was just a KoolAid swilling Homer site I don't think I'd have stuck around.

You don't think I am a fan? I have to hear this shit every week about how we got lucky again. And when ND lost to Michigan, let me tell you it wasn't pretty. Its been over 15 years since I could hang my hat on this team and feel like ND could hang with the elite. Is the team close? Yah I think it is. But teams with new coaches and shorter tenures are already showing improvement and running past ND.

But one thing I can't stand is the out and out Homerism that some people on this site like to wrap themselves in like the butter you lather up a turkey in. The Blue & Gold butter is nice, but open your eyes people. Celebrate the win, but don't be too smug to start looking past opponents, especially the USC. I am pretty sure they have earned their top billing. Now can ND earn theirs?

Man i aint saying this team is perfect. But you seem to also ignore the fact that the we have endured poor officiating, poor tackling, and major injuries early in the year and have come out with a 3-1 record. that same argument you make about us being a few plays away from being 1 and 3 can be turned around to say we could be 4-0. It doesnt change our record.

Pete Carrol is a great coach anyone who says otherwise is ignorant. To say that his record automatically means we should forfiet is ridiculous. USC this year is flawed and beatable. I am not saying we will win because the game is played on the field not on paper but we CAN win that game.

You point to Rich Rod and Sarkisian and say they turned theyre programs around in shorter time i can say the same about Weis and Willingham in their first seasons.

The constant negativeity is ridiculous though. Have some of you guys seen NOTHING this year that makes you think this team is getting better?

Maybe its my youth, but i have never seen Notre Dame win a championship and am too young to remember 93. Under Weis is arguably the best i have ever seen Notre Dame play. I have seen a offense that can score on anyone with arguably the best QB in the game right now. A team that has learned to win. I also saw a much better defense last night that took baby steps for a front seven that relies too much on sophmores.

 

[irishtrain]

OK guys lets look at what we are saying here. You cant judge college defenses week to week like the NFL. The way we scored on all of these teams so far has been impressive. It has not been done with tricks. With or without Floyd ( stud ) Notre Dame will continue to score. The way college offenses are today with rules and spreads all these teams can put points on the board. Mich is prime example- its street football with a kid who can run it. Nevada is the same and so is Purdue. Even Mich St spreads it out to run off passes. Our offense is run pretty vanilla in its basic form. There is a difference between telling someone were coming here with the ball and using deception. These spread formations are the great equalizer in todays game. What I am basing my opinion on the SC game is the following. ND is going to test itself man on man, strength on strength, to see if they ( ND ) are SC's equal. I think they are. We will get a break in this game that will determine a positive outcome. Maybe the most important, we are better than they are on one side of the ball ( 'O' ) and much closer than people think on 'D'. I see them playing out of their minds against SC . Now you can tell me I'm out of my mind , you wont be the first to tell me that on the SC game. Just let 'em come rolling in to South Bend full of themselves- they're in for a rude surprise this year.

 

[phork]

The constant negativeity is ridiculous though. Have some of you guys seen NOTHING this year that makes you think this team is getting better?

It has nothing to do with negativity. It, in my opinion, is the reality that this team faces. You have every right to agree or disagree with me, thats why we debate it. But you will have a much harder time trying to do a last second drive against USC than Purdue.
I believe in Jimmy 150%, kid can play. What I don't believe in is some questionable play calling and game management. As a fan I have the right to talk about things that I feel are wrong, just as you have the right to flow the koolaid.

Only the end of the season will prove one of us right. So enjoy the games, enjoy the debates and enjoy the people that make this site what it is.

 

[TDHeysus]

As a fan I have the right to talk about things that I feel are wrong, just as you have the right to flow the koolaid..

your absolutely right, you can talk about whatever you like...you just choose to bitch about CW in just about every single post that you do.

I also reserve the right to flame your anti weis posts, or immediately dismiss any thread of yours that starts in on Weis; which translates to your ideas/thoughts not being read.

doesnt the law of diminishing returns apply here?????

 

[Junkhead]

screw USC, we have to get by Washington first. That said, Jimmy is a stud, and the bye week before USC will be nice, if the coaching staff can take advantage of it the was Lou used to.

 

[Riddickulous]

Junkhead's right. Focus on Washington first.

I'm terrified of Washington, right now. Jake Locker is going to pick our secondary apart. If Joey Elliott can throw for 289 yards on this defense...how many can a guy like Locker throw for?

I'll be rooting for my Irish all game long, but this game scares me the most, at this point.

 

[irishtrain]

Win or lose against Washington the season will be judged on SC. I'm with you guys on Washington being tough mainly because of their new coach and players wanting to show how far they've progressed. It will be a tough ugly game as they have become physical. With all that said SC will determine this teams place and show how far along Charlie has brought them. Even if they beat both of these teams there's a loss in there somewhere else. This year is a prelude to what we all hope will be a run for it next year. These guys have shown heart and will to win this year like championship teams from the past. Even if they lose to Washington I can see them beating SC. But I dont see Washington being an easy game by any stretch of the imagination.