Jimmy Clausen Question

[TDHeysus]

Setting statistics and biased-opinions aside, is there a QB in the country playing better than Clausen?

EDIT: Setting statistics and biased-opinions aside, is there a QB in the country passing the ball better than Clausen?

 

[notredomer23]

Yes. I think Tebow and McCoy are better QBs when you consider they can pass and run. I put Clausen right behind there. Imagine Clausen if he had wheels? They would just give him the heisman now. Americans love dual threat QB's which is why Terrelle Pryor and Darryl Clark are so overhyped, but I do think McCoy and Tebow are for real

 

[irishfan]

Locker is playing well....can't think of anyone besides him. Allen's 1-1 with a TD but I don't think that counts.

 

[jfjkd01]

Well Jimmy has passed 300+ yards per game for the past 4 games & no Notre Dame QB has ever done that. I think he is passing better than anyone so far this year.

 

[vinnymac2402]

Also inculded is the fact that he has yet thrown a INT.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Clausen is doing everthing the system asks him to do. He is fantastic. I hope he heals quickly. The guy is magic.

 

[tankjeep]

Clausen is doing everthing the system asks him to do. He is fantastic. I hope he heals quickly. The guy is magic.

our young pup is all grown up huh neuter?

 

[jason_h537]

Based on what i have seen there is not a QB playing better right now than Jimmy Clausen. Jim Clausen because he is a man now

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

our young pup is all grown up huh neuter?

Our pup is gettin there.

 

[Junkhead]

He is playing better than I thought he ever would. Following Quinn's crazy stats was too big a chore for anyone, or so I thought. Jimmy is a gamer, far surpassing what I thought I'd see out of him.

 

[NDMontana]

Crucify me right now, go ahead, I know it's coming:

Jimmy Clausen is the benefactor of outstanding receivers and running backs. I don't think he's a top five or even top 20 qb.

 

[irishfan]

Crucify me right now, go ahead, I know it's coming:

Jimmy Clausen is the benefactor of outstanding receivers and running backs. I don't think he's a top five or even top 20 qb.

do us all a favor and try and name 20

 

[Junkhead]

Crucify me right now, go ahead, I know it's coming:

Jimmy Clausen is the benefactor of outstanding receivers and running backs. I don't think he's a top five or even top 20 qb.

Our RBs were poor (thanks to the OL) until this year. Receivers are great, but Jimmy has progressed greatly since he took over. Confidence, toughness, accuracy....if you don't see his improvement from early last season, you are trying to ignore it.

 

[NDMontana]

do us all a favor and try and name 20

Case Keenum (Houston)
Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan)
Tim Tebow (Florida)
Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)
Taylor Potts (Texas Tech)
Colin Kaepernick (Nevada)
Colt McCoy (Texas)
Zac Robinson (Oklahoma State)
Robert Griffin (Baylor)
Todd Reesing (Kansas)
Max Hall (BYU)
Terrelle Pryor (Ohio State)
Jeremiah Masoli (Oregon)
Jacob Bower (Tulsa)
Austin Davis (Southern Miss)
Kellen Moore (Boise State)
Joe Webb (UAB)
Bo Levi Mitchell (SMU)
Tate Forcier (UM)
Jacory Harris (Miami)
Kevin Riley (Cal)

 

[NDMontana]

Our RBs were poor (thanks to the OL) until this year. Receivers are great, but Jimmy has progressed greatly since he took over. Confidence, toughness, accuracy....if you don't see his improvement from early last season, you are trying to ignore it.

Sure, he's progressed. That wasn't the question though. My opinion is that he's lucky to have the skill guys around him that he does.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Crucify me right now, go ahead, I know it's coming:

Jimmy Clausen is the benefactor of outstanding receivers and running backs. I don't think he's a top five or even top 20 qb.

Holy shit Montana. And I just gave you reps on another thread.

Dude, that's an all-timer right there. Montana (Joe - no relation to you LOL) also had some damn good talent around him. So did Brady. And Marino. ETC. You have to put the ball there, and he does, time and time again. He's absolutely phenominal in putting the ball perfectly where his guys can make plays. Even Haden was going nuts over him today. If not for drops, his QB rating would break the computers. And now he's stepping up INTO the pocket instead of drifting to his throwing side? Please, he's incredible. And all this with Floyd out the entire 2nd half, and only Tate as his proven WR.

Gotta give credit where credit is due dude. I mean, even playing the sisters of the poor, Tebow and McCoy haven't looked as good, and we know they have talent all around them. You're better than this Montana...

 

[Bubba]

The guy has been flat out accurate this year. Not a chance in hell half of those guys are better than him at this point in the season. I can remember about 5 bad passes in the first 3 games and a couple of those were intentional. He's 61 of 91 (67%) for 950 yds and 9 TDs with no INTs. Two of those bad passes could have been picks, but yu could also say our receivers have dropped at least 10 of those incompletions. I don't know what this guy will need to do for you to think he's a good QB.

 

[Junkhead]

Sure, he's progressed. That wasn't the question though. My opinion is that he's lucky to have the skill guys around him that he does.

The kid has 4 straight games over 300 yards, 14 tds in that time, and ZERO picks. Along with playing hurt today and showing some fire and will to win. WTF do you want? I can't think of many, if any, others that would have done a better job. I could see him being a bust, he has been nothing even close to that.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Case Keenum (Houston)
Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan)
Tim Tebow (Florida)
Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)
Taylor Potts (Texas Tech)
Colin Kaepernick (Nevada)
Colt McCoy (Texas)
Zac Robinson (Oklahoma State)
Robert Griffin (Baylor)
Todd Reesing (Kansas)
Max Hall (BYU)
Terrelle Pryor (Ohio State)
Jeremiah Masoli (Oregon)
Jacob Bower (Tulsa)
Austin Davis (Southern Miss)
Kellen Moore (Boise State)
Joe Webb (UAB)
Bo Levi Mitchell (SMU)
Tate Forcier (UM)
Jacory Harris (Miami)
Kevin Riley (Cal)

Montana, I like you. But that list of 20 QB's is soooooo bad it's not even funny. I don't even want to waste my time and pick apart each and every one on that lost. I mean, Terrell Pryor??? Kevin Riley???? Jeremiah Masoli???? As OchoStinko says, child please...

 

[NDMontana]

The kid has 4 straight games over 300 yards, 14 tds in that time, and ZERO picks. Along with playing hurt today and showing some fire and will to win. WTF do you want? I can't think of many, if any, others that would have done a better job. I could see him being a bust, he has been nothing even close to that.

Fellas, Fellas, I'm not ripping Clausen apart here. I haven't ripped Clausen at all this year. I've seen him progress, I said that last year too. The bottom line that I don't feel like he's a great QB and that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I respect others opinions and I'm open to have my mind changed--it's happened here in the past--but this not a matter of fact issue. Tebow and Bradford tear up the SEC and Big XII respectively.

 

[irishfan]

Case Keenum (Houston)-Keenum is good, but his system makes him
Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan)-If he was that good, they would have beaten Arizona in week 1. The great duel-threat has 38 rushing yards in 3 games....
Tim Tebow (Florida)-Can't argue this one, but Jimmy is the better passer at the very least
Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)-Isn't playing. Question was is anyone right now playing better
Taylor Potts (Texas Tech)-System QB
Colin Kaepernick (Nevada)-Team is 0-2....no
Colt McCoy (Texas)-Playing well, I'll give you this one
Zac Robinson (Oklahoma State)-Hasn't played too well im my opinion in their first 3 games....lost to Houston
Robert Griffin (Baylor)-Lost to UCONN playing with their backup QB...I love Griffin but Clausen is playing better
Todd Reesing (Kansas)-haven't played anyone of note this year
Max Hall (BYU)-Hope you tuned in to the FSU game tonight...3 ints
Terrelle Pryor (Ohio State)-Better athlete for sure...not close to being a better quarterback
Jeremiah Masoli (Oregon)-He's a fullback playing QB...8 points on opening night against Boise...I give the edge to Clausen here
Jacob Bower (Tulsa)-0 points against Oklahoma today
Austin Davis (Southern Miss)-Austin has played well but I would take Jimmy any day
Kellen Moore (Boise State)-Has played well but Jimmy has better numbers against probably better competition
Joe Webb (UAB)-No
Bo Levi Mitchell (SMU)-No
Tate Forcier (UM)-Has played very well. He beat Clausen head to head so I'll give you this one
Jacory Harris (Miami)-Sure, Harris is playing better due to better competition
Kevin Riley (Cal)-No impressive wins yet. I could handoff to Best every play too

I would say that quarterbacks who you could make a legitimate arguement for as playing better that Clausen this year are Tebow, McCoy, and Forcier.

 

[NDMontana]

I would say that quarterbacks who you could make a legitimate arguement for as playing better that Clausen this year are Tebow, McCoy, and Forcier.

Jacory Harris has led his team over victories over FSU (ranked at the time and just destroyed the #7 in the country) and #14 (for now) Georgia Tech. Max Hall led his team over Oklahoma--Bradford or no Bradford he was beating top notch athletes on that defense.

I could make arguments for every guy on the list I provided as well. The bottom line, again, is that this is subjective and not objective. JC has thrown all over the field against Hawai'i, Nevada, MSU and UM. Guys, I'm happy with what the offense is doing but lets not build the competition that Clausen is building his name on as being top notch because Nevada and Hawai'i are middling WAC teams, UM was 3-9 last year and MSU lost to Central Michigan last week. These aren't exactly juggernauts that he's tearing apart.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Jacory Harris has led his team over victories over FSU (ranked at the time and just destroyed the #7 in the country) and #14 (for now) Georgia Tech. Max Hall led his team over Oklahoma--Bradford or no Bradford he was beating top notch athletes on that defense.

I could make arguments for every guy on the list I provided as well. The bottom line, again, is that this is subjective and not objective. JC has thrown all over the field against Hawai'i, Nevada, MSU and UM. Guys, I'm happy with what the offense is doing but lets not build the competition that Clausen is building his name on as being top notch because Nevada and Hawai'i are middling WAC teams, UM was 3-9 last year and MSU lost to Central Michigan last week. These aren't exactly juggernauts that he's tearing apart.

Montana, you're just wrong here. There is NO WAY that there are FIVE better QB's in college football right now, much less 20!!! My wife has to use the computer right now, or else I'd break down some of the crappy QB's (compared to JC) on your list. You're truly reaching dude. I mean, what does he need to do???????? I'll leave you with something written by a coach who is paid to write for ND, but who is completely honest and hammers ND players all the time:

* Jimmy Clausen is the best QB in the country, end of story. For the third week in a row he has passed for over 300 yards. He is 62 of 91 (68.1%), 952 yards, 9 TD's, and 0 INT's on the season. This isn't against Wyoming, Charleston Southern, Troy, and Louisiana-Monroe. This was against Nevada, Michigan, and Michigan State. All three of those teams will be playing in December (maybe January for Michigan) this season (meaning bowl games). Not to mention that each of the last two weeks he has brought him team back in the 4th Q with a go-ahead (last week) and game-winning TD (this week). Unbelievable.

 

[NDMontana]

Montana, you're just wrong here. There is NO WAY that there are FIVE better QB's in college football right now, much less 20!!! My wife has to use the computer right now, or else I'd break down some of the crappy QB's (compared to JC) on your list. You're truly reaching dude. I mean, what does he need to do???????? I'll leave you with something written by a coach who is paid to write for ND, but who is completely honest and hammers ND players all the time:

Well, your my homeboy but we disagree. He needs to do what he's doing against A-1 competition. I don't think he could lead ND to victories over anybody in the Top 20 right now. A good defense could shut him--or maybe just read CW's plays--down. That's my opinion.

 

[patman1868]

Crucify me right now, go ahead, I know it's coming:

Jimmy Clausen is the benefactor of outstanding receivers and running backs. I don't think he's a top five or even top 20 qb.

Yeah he does have great talent to work with, but he also had the same players last year and he was wildly inconsistent. Some of the throws he makes are really amazing like the bomb to Tate to put ND up, or going back to the first game the TD to Rudolph. Those two where right on the money, perfect touch where only the receiver could get it, not a lot of players can make that throw. To go back to your argument you could also argue that Tate, Floyd, Rudolph and company are greatly benefiting from having such a good QB because you can have all the talent in the world but if you do not have a good QB to get the ball to the play makers you wont do jack.

 

[Irishlew]

this thread reeks of shit...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

this thread reeks of shit...

I'm sorry buddy. I let out a silent one. My bad.

 

[Irishlew]

I'm sorry buddy. I let out a silent one. My bad.

You're forgiven...NDMontana not so much.

 

[irishfan]

Jacory Harris has led his team over victories over FSU (ranked at the time and just destroyed the #7 in the country) and #14 (for now) Georgia Tech. Max Hall led his team over Oklahoma--Bradford or no Bradford he was beating top notch athletes on that defense.

I could make arguments for every guy on the list I provided as well. The bottom line, again, is that this is subjective and not objective. JC has thrown all over the field against Hawai'i, Nevada, MSU and UM. Guys, I'm happy with what the offense is doing but lets not build the competition that Clausen is building his name on as being top notch because Nevada and Hawai'i are middling WAC teams, UM was 3-9 last year and MSU lost to Central Michigan last week. These aren't exactly juggernauts that he's tearing apart.

My bad I agreed with Harris on the list but forgot to include him at the end

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Well, your my homeboy but we disagree. He needs to do what he's doing against A-1 competition. I don't think he could lead ND to victories over anybody in the Top 20 right now. A good defense could shut him--or maybe just read CW's plays--down. That's my opinion.

So what can he do to improve?