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Irish4Life09

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dont jump on leahys neck too hard.

im personally still on the fence.
our offense looks great.we have put in some quality players,and weis can run a great scheme offensively.thats not really the question.
our problem is defense.and thats where nobody can seem to figure out what the problem is.is it just that weis is not hiring quality guys as our defensive coordinators?or should weis be running our defense as well?
our defense has been lacking any kind of consistency since weis has been here.whether it has been the recruits or the coaching,or just the conditioning of the players.no one really has an answer.
im scared for this weekend though.no one has a clue what will happen.as everyone knows,lately we've had a terrible track record against MSU,although there's absolutely no reason why we should.we CANNOT lose on Saturday.if we do,weis might be gone midseason.which would be a disaster for the program.

Let me put out my 2 cents. I think our program is headed in the right direction.The only reason we had any kind of success in 05 and 06 in Weis' first 2 seasons were because we had one of the best qb-wr combos in ND history. Without them we probably would've had similar seasons to last year.Then in 07 in the 3-9 debacle we had absolutely no one in our offense with any shred of experience,so Jimmy got pummeled,threw a lot of picks,and was forced into a bad situation his freshman year. Last year was just a late collapse by the players. We shouldve had 10 wins last year, but lack of experience once again let us down.
Now we're up to 2009. We start off great against a highly overrated Nevada.Our offense is flying,but our defense struggles.Same thing against Michigan. I had my time to calm down over that unnerving loss.And it really cant be blamed on any one person. Yes,there was some bad officiating.Yes Tate cost us a lot with his *expletive* showboating.But Weis didn't.On the last drive,Allen had a hurt ankle so he couldn't run,Gray had already fumbled,and we couldnt trust the game to a freshman in Wood.That meant we had to throw.We couldnt give them the ball back and expect our defense to stop them,we just couldn't,plain and simple.There were a lot of factors resulting in our loss....but don't jump ship.
we still have a chance at a 12-1 season.repeat,yes we can win 12 games.It all starts with Saturday.We need to have a DECISIVE win.It can't be a scrape game.We have to come out and show everyone who we are, and what ND is all about.We need to shut up the critics like gaymay,and rule the land like we once did.
It's up to you Weis.I have faith in you, as do a lot of people.
People,ND supporters everywhere.We ARE moving in the right direction.Make sure you look at the big picture and not at a little blemish in the radar.We have come a long way since Willingham and Davie.And since we're IRISH, the only thing left I can say that I hope gets through,and has meaning to all of us, is HAVE FAITH!
 

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No, again, you're telling me what I think. Penn St., Tennesse and Michigan didn't finish in the Top 25 those years. So what other big game has he won at Notre Dame? The Hawai'i Bowl?

Nick Saban, Bronco Mendenhall, Pete Carroll also inherited junior and senior laden teams that they took to prominence. In the mean time they recruited and continued winning. They didn't go 10-15 in years three and four.

9/9/2006: ND 41, Penn State 7

Final 2006 poll: Penn State #25.

Not a highly ranked team. But let's be correct, at least.
 

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I'll be happy with Charlie as an OC. He lacks the football brain to manage a game.

See UM 09/12/2009
See 4 games last year with double digit leads
See first loss to Navy in 44 years
 

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Are you serious? Nick Saban is in his third year now. Bronco Mendenhall rebuilt that program and Pete Carroll was loaded with talent. Neither of these programs had to rely on David Grimes, Mo Crum and Terrail Lambert to lead their teams. Have you seen how young our team was? Pete Carroll Replaced Carson Palmer with a redshirt Sophmore not a true freshman. Be realistic. Nick Sabans first year sucked

Nick Saban went 7-6 his first year. That hardly sucks in the SEC. Bronco Mendenall, in year one, went 6-6. Then he went 11-2, 11-2 and 10-3. He also owns a win against Oklahoma. We haven't beat a team of that caliber--injured QB or not--in Charlie's entire tenure.
 

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Additionally, to add to what Jason said above, you can't compare teams like that because the biggest obstacle for ND in the "rebuilding" process in recent years is the limitations of not being able to go to the junior college ranks, especially on the offensive and defensive lines. When a new coach comes in other places, like Saban, he goes out and brings in a number of players from JUCOs because they are more ready to play right away. Coach Weis has to wait for younger players to mature. He doesn't have the luxury of bringing in offensive linemen who have two years of maturity and experience in a college weight program.

If I remember correctly, when Pete Carroll first took over the SC job, he went all around local JUCOs here in Cali and brought in a lot of talent. He brought in players from National JUCO powerhouses like El Camino College Just a few minutes down the road from SC in LA and Palomar College in San Diego and those players can fill a lot of gaps in rosters with players that are ready to step in and compete much quicker than high school players. Plus, JUCO players are better able to start in the Spring. You might get a few freshmen to come in January, but it is much easier to bring in as many JUCO players as you want for Spring ball.

Does Bronco Mendenhall have the resources that Charlie Weis does?

And please name some of the jc transfers that have been major contributors to USC or Alabama.
 

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And please name some of the jc transfers that have been major contributors to USC or Alabama.

I'll be honest with you, I'd have to look it up, but I don't have the time. I do know that Alabama's starting left tackle this year (considered by some as the most important position in football) is a JUCO kid, and USC's starting kicker (ask ND fans how important a kicker is LOL) is a JUCO transfer as well. They're out there, and they help out a ton of programs.

And like I say all the time, if you're gonna bring up Nick Saban and Pete Carroll and Urban Meyer, and bag on Weis, at least let's open up these kids' transcripts. I'm sure CW would love to recruit the 5 star d-linemen that FL, SC, and Alabama get each and every year, but the SB police wouldn't even let those kids get off the airplane, much less let them attend ND. Ask anybody who played high school football, the dumbest kids were on the d-line. Just the way it is. Sometimes we can get lucky with guys like Tuck and Johnson and (hopefully still) Chris Martin, but not nearly as much as the big dogs. It's just the way it is.

Having said that, CW does have to win a big game for once if he wants to keep his job; I agree with you there. I believe in him, which makes the losing doubly hard. I wanted Ty gone, badly, so when we lost it didn't hurt as much b/c I knew we were one loss away from his ass getting canned. But I root for ND AND Charlie, because he gets ND and recruits like a mother, and I think he can be a great coach. Time is running out for him though...
 

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I merged Leahy's Lad's thread with this one, since it's the same topic, and we already merged all the threads into this one anyways...
 

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Does Bronco Mendenhall have the resources that Charlie Weis does?

And please name some of the jc transfers that have been major contributors to USC or Alabama.

Cody at d-tackle

cody alone changes them from a 8-9 win team to top 10 team

and Mendenhall's resource is having o-lines and d-lines stocked with 24 and 25 year olds
 

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Cody at d-tackle

cody alone changes them from a 8-9 win team to top 10 team

and Mendenhall's resource is having o-lines and d-lines stocked with 24 and 25 year olds

I was about to name Mount Cody and he changed the entire defense.
 

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It's Charlie's fault we have all that inexperience on the defensive line. It's his fifth year, yet the most experienced defensive lineman is a junior, the only truly good player is a sophomore, one redshirt freshman defensive end is all potential, and the other defensive end is a good linebacker jammed onto the defensive line.

Charlie has to take some of the blame for the poor job he has done recruiting talent on the defensive line.

Are you kidding me. Did he not do enough to get d-lineman? Is it his fault that Gerald McCoy chose Oklahoma or that Trattou or Hunter decommitted?
 

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Are you kidding me. Did he not do enough to get d-lineman? Is it his fault that Gerald McCoy chose Oklahoma or that Trattou or Hunter decommitted?

Yes. As the Head Coach, it falls back on him. However, comma..........it's not enough fault to use in any way, in an argument to fire him.
 

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Nick Saban went 7-6 his first year. That hardly sucks in the SEC. Bronco Mendenall, in year one, went 6-6. Then he went 11-2, 11-2 and 10-3. He also owns a win against Oklahoma. We haven't beat a team of that caliber--injured QB or not--in Charlie's entire tenure.

Saban lost at home to Louisiana Monroe. Last year's Syracuse team would have been double digit favorites to Louisiana Monroe. That is 10 times worse than any loss Weis has ever had. Just sayin....
 

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Does Bronco Mendenhall have the resources that Charlie Weis does?

And please name some of the jc transfers that have been major contributors to USC or Alabama.

I will go back and look at both rosters and pull examples when I have adequate free time. My point was that using JUCO transfers allows coaches (especially new coaches with very short recruiting time after they are hired) the ability to plug holes right away with experienced and solid players. Maybe not All Americans all the time, but a 20 or 21 year old that has been in a college system for two years is much better equipped to step right in and play right away - especially along the two lines. Coach Weis does not have that luxury.

If this had been any other program, the glaring deficiencies along the defensive front would have been addressed by going out and bringing in a JUCO kid. Voila! Quick fix. Coach Weis and the Notre Dame faithful have to wait (and hope) for a freshman to pan out. Some cases they have great futures - Ethan Johnson. Some cases they don't pan out - Emeka Nwanko, Paddy Mullen, et al.

The JUCO pipeline is a tool used extensively throughout the majority of major college football programs. It is a luxury not afforded to ND and we pay the price especially along the Offensive and Defensive lines. Texas is another school that has an incredible JUCO talent pool in the state. My experience, and I could be wrong, is that after NSD, coaches look at their gaps and areas of need and they hit the JUCOs. If Coach Weis had been able to plunder the JUCO ranks like other programs, I guarantee we would not be in the predicament we have experienced since the end of the '06 season.
 

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The sun is out here and it is a beautiful day. But who the hell cares we'll all be dead soon anyway right? Good God you are depressing.

Depression is the realization that there is no out from your situation. First it was the issue of is he or is he not committed to ND a few months back. Then its the articles about "Well if ND starts losing or Charlie gets fired then I'll look elsewhere". Now its that recent USC article where he appears to be excited that they will play him as a LB, either there or UCLA, even though he is still Notre Dame-ing. And in the next breath you hear "Well things can change..."
Kid just sounds like he is looking for an out.

Doesn't quite inspire confidence in me. And when the day comes and he says "See ya!", and you are all jumping off a bridge, I'll quietly keep to myself thinking "I told you so."
 

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i really doubt charlies going anywhere. As I see it the only team we play that is better than michigan is USC. and it took a lot for us to lose that game. 10-2 and a close bcs win or loss, charlie stays put
 

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A new coach isn't going to help anything mid season. Charlie made some bad calls last weekend, but our defense, the officals, and Michigan's Forcier lost us the game. Winning and losing a football game is a team effort. We don't know how good Michigan is going to be yet.
 

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Ask anybody who played high school football, the dumbest kids were on the d-line. Just the way it is.

I was a two-time All-State defensive tackle. FUCK YOU!:)

(Not kidding about the first part....kidding about the second part).
 

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I was a two-time All-State defensive tackle. FUCK YOU!:)

(Not kidding about the first part....kidding about the second part).

NDinLA, let it ride. Montana makes some good points. Well, one time she did. (Messin with ya Montana, but you make a lot of sense to me.). Please don't shoot me anyone.

I like the F word often. Stuff like Fruit, and Friggen, and Fever and, well, other F words.
 
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