Fire Weis (Merged - Stop Creating New Threads)

[NDMontana]

What everyone seems to miss is that we only had a 3 point lead. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. Why even put Michigan in a position to win or tie with a FG?

Right, because giving Michigan the ball back with two timeouts and two minutes isn't putting them in a position to win.

Weis made a strong call to go for the jungular. It didn't turn out this time. Still better than the 3 plays into the line and punt/play defense that we see far too often.

You mean plays that run time off the clock and ultimately lead to teams holding onto wins?

The people bitching right now are the same people who will bitch regardless.

Yep, and the people defending Charlie Weis right now are the same people who defended him last year after losing to Syracuse and the year before against Navy and will defend him the next time he loses inexplicably.

The guy set a school record for losses in a season, a record for losses in a two year span, lost at home to a 9 loss team and lost to Navy for the first time in 44 years. And yet he's still treated like some sort of sacred cow.

 

[aaronb]

Right, because giving Michigan the ball back with two timeouts and two minutes isn't putting them in a position to win.



You mean plays that run time off the clock and ultimately lead to teams holding onto wins?



Yep, and the people defending Charlie Weis right now are the same people who defended him last year after losing to Syracuse and the year before against Navy and will defend him the next time he loses inexplicably.

The guy set a school record for losses in a season, a record for losses in a two year span, lost at home to a 9 loss team and lost to Navy for the first time in 44 years. And yet he's still treated like some sort of sacred cow.

It's not anything about treating him like a "sacred cow".

This is a damn good football team. Convenient that the same Weis bashers overlook that fact today. I fully expect (and have expected since last January) that this is a 10 win team.

This is still absolutely a 10 win team. Instead of bitching and moaning and kidding yourselves into thinking Urban Meyer is coming, lets support the current crew.

The cupboard is restocked fuller than any roster since 1993. If you can't see the forrest from the trees at this point of the game,Then you need to follow USC or Florida. Things could be MUCH worse.

 

[jason_h537]

Right, because giving Michigan the ball back with two timeouts and two minutes isn't putting them in a position to win.



You mean plays that run time off the clock and ultimately lead to teams holding onto wins?



Yep, and the people defending Charlie Weis right now are the same people who defended him last year after losing to Syracuse and the year before against Navy and will defend him the next time he loses inexplicably.

The guy set a school record for losses in a season, a record for losses in a two year span, lost at home to a 9 loss team and lost to Navy for the first time in 44 years. And yet he's still treated like some sort of sacred cow.

No ones treating anyone like a sacred cow it just seems ridiculous to think that you have come to the conclusion that you know more about coaching and that those two plays are the definitive reason we lost the game.

The playcalling all game was great and he took a chance the only difference is that it did not work. We lost a game and have ten weeks to go and you have decided that the season is over and we need to fire Weis on the spot.

People are upset because they refuse to believe that Michigan can be this good. It is not like Rich Rod took a freshman qb and rb to a bcs game at WVU right? It is not like Weis turned the team around in his 1st year at the helm without any of his players in the system.

What was your expectations for the team this year?

There alot of people who don't like Weis and i understand that, This is just there excuse to get on him again.

If we beat USC will you still be calling for his Job?

If we go 10-2 should he still be fired?

I am gonna sit and watch the season play out before coming to any conclusions.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Look the two pass plays at on the last dirve is all anybody can call out on this damn thread. It would be the same exact thing if we ran two more run plays with AA hurt and got stuffed and punted, granted Mighigan with two less timeouts, but still, if Floyd isnt hurt and in the game instead of Shaq, the timing on the third down would have been there and we probably wouldve won, but it wasnt..... He made two calls considering the circumstances that I can live with. I dont like the results, but I can live with the calls being made.

This fire CW shit is overrated. Its a bandwagon and everyone seems to be hoppin on. Well you guys can go right on ahead and jump ship, cause this domer has faith. A whole new coaching staff is EXACTLY WHAT THIS TEAM DOESNT NEED. its been the problem for the past 15 years.... Going thru new coaches every 4-5 years only sets this program back AGAIN, and personally i dont want to see that. CW is a good coach, not a great coach, but definatley a good coach, and the skills that he and his staff bring to the recruiting table are superb. We need to see how the year pans out before running amock with countless CW firing threads...... This season is NOT lost. We can STILL SALVAGE this season.

The negativity is a CANCER and needs to stop!!!

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

,,, But the fact remains that if we ran 3 times and UM used all their timeouts, but still went down the field to win, people would be bitching about Weis being too conservative.

Again I agree, I was merely pointing out that the only absolutes are the ones that have already occurred. That is why I pointed out the play LH called against Miami. The Irish won that game, but if Rice had been sacked, or intercepted they would have lost. His was judged a good call because the pass was complete. If the either pass had been complete everyone on our side would be celebrating. That is also why I stated that even if Michigan had no TO's doesn't guarantee that they don't score. Also, since a run was never called, we will never know the outcome of a run of which could have different results, of which I can absolutely guarantee it would have been one of the following.

1. No gain.
2. Loss of Yardage.
3. Positive Yardage
4. Fumble
5. Penalty negating the run which the clock would have stopped.
6. Penalty adding yardage to the run.

Nobody can predict with any certainty what would have happened one way or the other if we had run the ball. We only know what happened, and can only critique based on what occurred. If anything is possible, then it is possible that if we fumbled on an attempted run and Michigan recovered, then we would say; "Why didn't he throw the ball, he had a man wide open?"

 

[RECON Daddy]

Look the two pass plays at on the last dirve is all anybody can call out on this damn thread. It would be the same exact thing if we ran two more run plays with AA hurt and got stuffed and punted, granted Mighigan with two less timeouts, but still, if Floyd isnt hurt and in the game instead of Shaq, the timing on the third down would have been there and we probably wouldve won, but it wasnt..... He made two calls considering the circumstances that I can live with. I dont like the results, but I can live with the calls being made.

This fire CW shit is overrated. Its a bandwagon and everyone seems to be hoppin on. Well you guys can go right on ahead and jump ship, cause this domer has faith. A whole new coaching staff is EXACTLY WHAT THIS TEAM DOESNT NEED. its been the problem for the past 15 years.... Going thru new coaches every 4-5 years only sets this program back AGAIN, and personally i dont want to see that. CW is a good coach, not a great coach, but definatley a good coach, and the skills that he and his staff bring to the recruiting table are superb. We need to see how the year pans out before running amock with countless CW firing threads...... This season is NOT lost. We can STILL SALVAGE this season.

The negativity is a CANCER and needs to stop!!!

AMEN!!!!!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

It's not anything about treating him like a "sacred cow".

This is a damn good football team. Convenient that the same Weis bashers overlook that fact today. I fully expect (and have expected since last January) that this is a 10 win team.

This is still absolutely a 10 win team. Instead of bitching and moaning and kidding yourselves into thinking Urban Meyer is coming, lets support the current crew.

The cupboard is restocked fuller than any roster since 1993. If you can't see the forrest from the trees at this point of the game,Then you need to follow USC or Florida. Things could be MUCH worse.

We lost.

 

[irish1958]

ND head coaches:
K Rockne: no prior college head coaching experience; great coach ND record:105-12-5; .881
Hunk Anderson: no prior college head coaching; dud; coached the first loosing season since 1888 (3-5-1)
Elmer Layden: very successful prior college head coaching (43-13-3) very good coach (ND record:47-13-3; .770
Frank Leahy: Very successful prior college head coaching; Did well at ND (87-11-9; .855)
Terry Brennan: no prior college head coaching experience; coached 3 years at a Chicago high school. Dud (ND record 32-18-0; .640) 1956 record 2-8-0; .200 First loosing season since 1933 and only the second since 1888.
Joe Kuharich: Had coached briefly in high school and college but was a successful Pro coach who planned on bring a PRO STYLE OFFENSE to ND. Had not headed a successful college program prior to leaving for the pro ranks. Notable for being the only Notre Dame coach (to date) with a loosing record: (17-23-0; .425) Third coach with a loosing record for one season
Hugh Devore (interim coach 1945; 1963) GREAT recruiter; 14 All American's (sever recruited; seven more coached) No prior head coaching experience (ND record: 9-9-1; .500
Ara Parseghian: Very successful prior college head coaching experience. ND record: 95-17-4; .855
Dan Devine: very successful prior college head coaching and some successful pro coaching ND record: 53-16-1; .764
Gerry Faust: no prior college head coaching (or college coaching) experience; ND record: 30-26-1; .535 Although not a Notre Dame graduate, he is a great supporter of ND and a wonderful person.
Lou Holtz: a whole lot of very successful prior college head coaching experience; First season had a loosing record when we were screwed out of a touchdown in the forth quarter against Michigan (interesting the game had big ten officials)
Bob Davie: No prior college head coaching experience. Nuff said; ND record:35-25-0; .580 Third worst in ND history.
loosing season 5th since 1888.
Tyrone Willingham: mildly successful prior head coaching experience at Stanford in the PAC TEN; best year 8-4 and Rose Bowl loss. ND record:25-15; .583. Question: is he still available? That would have looked good in the past 3 years.
George O'Leary very successful prior head coaching. Fired before first game because of a mistake (volitional) when a graduate student in a resume when he was trying to get an assistant position. ND record: 0-0-0;
Charlie Weis: no prior head coaching experience; Forth loosing season since 1888; holds the record for the most losses in two years at ND. Brought PRO STYLE OFFENSE to ND. Quarterbacks noted for lead feet and ability to stay in the pocket.
Am I the only one who has noted this?

 

[JefMaj]

Ultimately, I am willing to give him till the end of 2010 to prove himself - this team is a year away. It's his team - he put it together, there will be no "what if's" if he finishes it out. Hopefully, they go into next year with a culture of dominance and winning. If he isn't 11 - 1, or 11 - 2 at the end of 2010 - with this team? Time for a change. In 2011 with another coach and Crist - after Weis's tutalege - and a great Weis recruiting roster - a new coach is reloading and not rebuilding.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Am I the only one who has noted this?

No, but my neck hurts after reading it all. And still no Cracker Jacks (surprise inside) or female company. Quintastic is unfantastic with me still. I'll keep trying.

 

[NDMontana]

It's not anything about treating him like a "sacred cow".

This is a damn good football team. Convenient that the same Weis bashers overlook that fact today. I fully expect (and have expected since last January) that this is a 10 win team.

This is still absolutely a 10 win team. Instead of bitching and moaning and kidding yourselves into thinking Urban Meyer is coming, lets support the current crew.

The cupboard is restocked fuller than any roster since 1993. If you can't see the forrest from the trees at this point of the game,Then you need to follow USC or Florida. Things could be MUCH worse.

My vision is 20/20, is yours? Maybe this a "damn good football team". But the question is whether it's a well coached team or whether the coach can manage a game. Ron Zook has damn good football teams too, ask Urban Meyer, but he can't coach worth a crap.

Charlie Weis led Ty Willingham's juniors to a win over a much better--compared to this year's version--Michigan team in 2005. But he can't lead his own Top 10 recruits over a rebuilding Michigan team led by a freshmen QB?

I don't think this a 10 win team. Boston College is pretty good, Pitt is as good as they were last year, Navy pushed Ohio State and USC is an automatic loss.

Your assessment of this being a good team is based on the fact that they played an exciting game against team coming off a 9 loss season, beat the fourth best team in the WAC in week one and beat the fifth best team in the WAC in a bowl game last year?

As far as who I cheer for....stick it. I'll keep cheering for Notre Dame. Thanks.

 

[phork]

This team is more than a year away. ND cannot stop the run and we lose 3 starting offensive linemen after this year.
And I will stick to my guns about not sniffing the NC game while an offensive co-ordinator is running the show.
By all means, keep Charlie. Relegate him to O-Coordinator and hire a defense minded coach. BTW did I mention what happened the last time a Tenuta defense went up against DickRod?

This is a damn good football team. Convenient that the same Weis bashers overlook that fact today. I fully expect (and have expected since last January) that this is a 10 win team.

You mean this is a damn good offensive juggernaut? I have no problem with Charlie Weis being the OC.

 

[NDMontana]

No ones treating anyone like a sacred cow it just seems ridiculous to think that you have come to the conclusion that you know more about coaching and that those two plays are the definitive reason we lost the game.

I know a lot about coaching. It's in my family.

The playcalling all game was great and he took a chance the only difference is that it did not work.

I'm not talking about playcalling, I'm talking about game management. It's what head coaches are paid to do. Offensive coordinators call games. Is CW not the head coach?

We lost a game and have ten weeks to go and you have decided that the season is over and we need to fire Weis on the spot.

I never said the season is over and I never called for him to be summarily dismissed. You'd better check my posts again before you start putting words in my mouth.

People are upset because they refuse to believe that Michigan can be this good. It is not like Rich Rod took a freshman qb and rb to a bcs game at WVU right? It is not like Weis turned the team around in his 1st year at the helm without any of his players in the system.

Michigan has beaten Notre Dame and Western Michigan. Notre Dames last two wins are against middling WAC teams. I would hardly call either of those facts impressive. Rich Rod was successful in a weak Big East. But I'll give him credit, he's outschemed Charlie Weis.

Again, do you need examples of coaches who turned teams around quickly: Nick Saban, Bronco Mendenhall (with far fewer resources than Charlie Weis), Pete Carrol was pretty quick turning USC around.

What was your expectations for the team this year?

Oh, you mean you're not go to telling me what I was thinking? That's a refreshing change.

My expectations were to win the games that the team should win, go .500 against teams that are of equal talent and lose to superior teams. Those are my expectations every year. Didn't happen in 2007, didn't happen in 2008 and 2009 ain't off to a great start either.

There alot of people who don't like Weis and i understand that, This is just there excuse to get on him again.

It doesn't matter whether I like Charlie Weis or not. Results matter. I hated Phil Jackson but the Bulls won when he was in Chicago--no comment from me. I'm not a huge Terry Francona fan but his results speak for themselves--no comment from me.

If we beat USC will you still be calling for his Job?

Still? I never called for it in the first place. I'm calling for him to improve and learn from his mistakes. The ability to learn from mistakes and avoid repeating them is the mark of intelligence. At this point I'm convinced that Charlie Weis is very unintelligent.

If we go 10-2 should he still be fired?

I don't know. Should he?

I am gonna sit and watch the season play out before coming to any conclusions.

I've seen Charlie Weis coach for four years. I have yet to see him lead the team to a win in a BCS game. I have yet to see him beat a Top 25 team. I have, however, seen the worst season in ND history and seen the team lose to Navy for the first time in 44 years only to follow that up the next year by losing at home to a nine loss Syracuse team.

I've made my conclusions and they are this: Charlie Weis is not a good game manager and hasn't proven that he can lead Notre Dame to prominence by beating good teams. I've also concluded that a whole lot of people are happier getting top 15 recruiting classes than they are having top 15 teams.

Oh well.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

My vision is 20/20, is yours? Maybe this a "damn good football team". But the question is whether it's a well coached team or whether the coach can manage a game. Ron Zook has damn good football teams too, ask Urban Meyer, but he can't coach worth a crap.

Charlie Weis led Ty Willingham's juniors to a win over a much better--compared to this year's version--Michigan team in 2005. But he can't lead his own Top 10 recruits over a rebuilding Michigan team led by a freshmen QB?

I don't think this a 10 win team. Boston College is pretty good, Pitt is as good as they were last year, Navy pushed Ohio State and USC is an automatic loss.

Your assessment of this being a good team is based on the fact that they played an exciting game against team coming off a 9 loss season, beat the fourth best team in the WAC in week one and beat the fifth best team in the WAC in a bowl game last year?

As far as who I cheer for....stick it. I'll keep cheering for Notre Dame. Thanks.

Are you sure about those statements? Michigan finished 7-5 that year. This years team will more than likely win at least 8 games and I think this years team is more dynamic offensively. Boston College is not pretty good. What are you basing that on? Wins over Northeastern and Kent State? I hope for your sake you bring more to the table than that. And what about Pitt? Are you basing that on wins over Youngstown State and Buffalo? Bill Stull at QB, really? They are that good? Wow, I live in Pittsburgh, and nobody around here thinks they are that good.

And Nevada is the 4th best team in the WAC? Really? Didnt they get picked to finish 2nd behind Boise State? I think so, I dont think one game will change that.

 

[Shamrock44]

I don't agree with throwing with 2:30 left, but I still support Charlie. All of this negative talk is bad for the program.

 

[jason_h537]

I've seen Charlie Weis coach for four years. I have yet to see him lead the team to a win in a BCS game. I have yet to see him beat a Top 25 team. I have, however, seen the worst season in ND history and seen the team lose to Navy for the first time in 44 years only to follow that up the next year by losing at home to a nine loss Syracuse team.

I've made my conclusions and they are this: Charlie Weis is not a good game manager and hasn't proven that he can lead Notre Dame to prominence by beating good teams. I've also concluded that a whole lot of people are happier getting top 15 recruiting classes than they are having top 15 teams.

Oh well.

No you have concluded that because we lost to superior teams like USC, LSU and Ohio St that he cant win big game. The answer cant be as easy as they were better teams. I am fairly certian that he did beat Penn St, Tennessee and Michigan when they were top 25 teams. You have also concluded that despite the fact that in 07 and 08 when we played with nothing but freshman and sophmores that you feel that Notre Dame should have performed far greater than theyre abilities. You bring up Pete Carrol and Nick Saban who inherited much more talent than Charlie Weis. I am sure you have coaching in your blood but it doesnt take Lombardi to realize what the decision should have been after the fact. Should Weis have run it? yeah, but do i have a problem with the call, or do i believe it was that call that cost us the game? no

 

[irish1958]

I don't agree with throwing with 2:30 left, but I still support Charlie. All of this negative talk is bad for the program.

Negative talk is bad; I agree. However a bad coach is even worse for a successful program.

 

[midwestguy]

No you have concluded that because we lost to superior teams like USC, LSU and Ohio St that he cant win big game. The answer cant be as easy as they were better teams. I am fairly certian that he did beat Penn St, Tennessee and Michigan when they were top 25 teams. You have also concluded that despite the fact that in 07 and 08 when we played with nothing but freshman and sophmores that you feel that Notre Dame should have performed far greater than theyre abilities. You bring up Pete Carrol and Nick Saban who inherited much more talent than Charlie Weis. I am sure you have coaching in your blood but it doesnt take Lombardi to realize what the decision should have been after the fact. Should Weis have run it? yeah, but do i have a problem with the call, or do i believe it was that call that cost us the game? no

LOL. What flavor is the kool-aid you are drinking? I'd like some to divorce myself from reality and think that Weis is a good coach.

 

[NDMontana]

No you have concluded that because we lost to superior teams like USC, LSU and Ohio St that he cant win big game. The answer cant be as easy as they were better teams. I am fairly certian that he did beat Penn St, Tennessee and Michigan when they were top 25 teams. You have also concluded that despite the fact that in 07 and 08 when we played with nothing but freshman and sophmores that you feel that Notre Dame should have performed far greater than theyre abilities. You bring up Pete Carrol and Nick Saban who inherited much more talent than Charlie Weis. I am sure you have coaching in your blood but it doesnt take Lombardi to realize what the decision should have been after the fact. Should Weis have run it? yeah, but do i have a problem with the call, or do i believe it was that call that cost us the game? no

No, again, you're telling me what I think. Penn St., Tennesse and Michigan didn't finish in the Top 25 those years. So what other big game has he won at Notre Dame? The Hawai'i Bowl?

Nick Saban, Bronco Mendenhall, Pete Carroll also inherited junior and senior laden teams that they took to prominence. In the mean time they recruited and continued winning. They didn't go 10-15 in years three and four.

 

[NDMontana]

Are you sure about those statements? Michigan finished 7-5 that year. This years team will more than likely win at least 8 games and I think this years team is more dynamic offensively. Boston College is not pretty good. What are you basing that on? Wins over Northeastern and Kent State? I hope for your sake you bring more to the table than that. And what about Pitt? Are you basing that on wins over Youngstown State and Buffalo? Bill Stull at QB, really? They are that good? Wow, I live in Pittsburgh, and nobody around here thinks they are that good.

And Nevada is the 4th best team in the WAC? Really? Didnt they get picked to finish 2nd behind Boise State? I think so, I dont think one game will change that.

We'll see how Michigan finishes this year. I'll bet they end up right around that mark or worse. Boston College is pretty good, they're sure scroing a lot of points.

Wow, Nevada was picked to finish second in the WAC? Really? Every pub I read had Nevada and Fresno State finishing tied behind Louisiana Tech and Boise State. I hope you're bringing more to the table than hanging your hat on wins against Hawai'i and Nevada and a close loss to Michigan.

Bill Stull, why not? We lost to Cameron Dantley.

 

[phgreek]

what would you guys have said if they completed one of the passes? honest question. would you have said that you loved the killer instinct charlie has?

I would have said...lucky bastard...and then gone off to celebrate a deserved victory...in the midst of my hangover, I might have thought...damn, what a nightmare if we don't make that catch...then, like 99% of the folks here...never give it another thought.

Look, I love the aggressive approach...especially in some one else's house, but damn, you gotta shut it down when you see a clear path to a W. 2 minutes left, 2nd and 10, ...pretty sure we burn 11 seconds and all their timeouts with two runs...what remained to be seen is, with less time and no timeouts...ND in a nickel w no blitz, and them forced to pass it w/o much threat of a scramble...do they even get in field goal range?

 

[jason_h537]

Nick Saban, Bronco Mendenhall, Pete Carroll also inherited junior and senior laden teams that they took to prominence. In the mean time they recruited and continued winning. They didn't go 10-15 in years three and four.

Are you serious? Nick Saban is in his third year now. Bronco Mendenhall rebuilt that program and Pete Carroll was loaded with talent. Neither of these programs had to rely on David Grimes, Mo Crum and Terrail Lambert to lead their teams. Have you seen how young our team was? Pete Carroll Replaced Carson Palmer with a redshirt Sophmore not a true freshman. Be realistic. Nick Sabans first year sucked

 

[aaronb]

I would have said...lucky bastard...and then gone off to celebrate a deserved victory...in the midst of my hangover, I might have thought...damn, what a nightmare if we don't make that catch...then, like 99% of the folks here...never give it another thought.

Look, I love the aggressive approach...especially in some one else's house, but damn, you gotta shut it down when you see a clear path to a W. 2 minutes left, 2nd and 10, ...pretty sure we burn 11 seconds and all their timeouts with two runs...what remained to be seen is, with less time and no timeouts...ND in a nickel w no blitz, and them forced to pass it w/o much threat of a scramble...do they even get in field goal range?

All they had to do was get into FG range.

We only led by 3 points.

Going for the win. Especially with Armando and Floyd out is better than hoping for overtime.

 

[TDHeysus]

I havent read the previous posts in this thread (i cant bring myself to, the subject of this thread disgusts me)

Weis called a good enough game to win. That cannot be debated, wasnt a perfect game, not by any stretch of the imagination. IF you put up 30+ points, your offense is good enough to win. undisputable.

The defense simply put, is not good. The dline was M.I.A all day. The dline is undersized, undermanned, outgunned, and too slow. they generated NO PRESSURE on that freshman QB, and couldnt stop him when he ran (can I get a Bill Walton, "How embarrassing..."?). Darrin Walls....you broke my heart, you were running around all game, it looked like you were lost for most of the game.

Blaming Weis, calling for Weis' head is cancerous. Weis has the offense to win, and can call a game for a win. its the defense that needs attention.

I took this loss especially hard, its now tuesday and only now have came out of my 'non-verbal state' concerning the game. While, I firmly believe there were other factors that led to us losing this game, in my eyes the defense is glaring weak point which WILL be a factor all season.

ND has an 11-1, or 10-2 offense; and a 3-9, or 4-8 defense.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Are you serious? Nick Saban is in his third year now. Bronco Mendenhall rebuilt that program and Pete Carroll was loaded with talent. Neither of these programs had to rely on David Grimes, Mo Crum and Terrail Lambert to lead their teams. Have you seen how young our team was? Pete Carroll Replaced Carson Palmer with a redshirt Sophmore not a true freshman. Be realistic. Nick Sabans first year sucked

Additionally, to add to what Jason said above, you can't compare teams like that because the biggest obstacle for ND in the "rebuilding" process in recent years is the limitations of not being able to go to the junior college ranks, especially on the offensive and defensive lines. When a new coach comes in other places, like Saban, he goes out and brings in a number of players from JUCOs because they are more ready to play right away. Coach Weis has to wait for younger players to mature. He doesn't have the luxury of bringing in offensive linemen who have two years of maturity and experience in a college weight program.

If I remember correctly, when Pete Carroll first took over the SC job, he went all around local JUCOs here in Cali and brought in a lot of talent. He brought in players from National JUCO powerhouses like El Camino College Just a few minutes down the road from SC in LA and Palomar College in San Diego and those players can fill a lot of gaps in rosters with players that are ready to step in and compete much quicker than high school players. Plus, JUCO players are better able to start in the Spring. You might get a few freshmen to come in January, but it is much easier to bring in as many JUCO players as you want for Spring ball.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

And it's true folks. Jucos can't spell USC.

There is a reason that they are Jucos.

Then go to USC.

 

[leahy's lads]

don't blame Lou!

don't blame Lou!

It is not his fault......We need to make a change and I have said that from my first post here at irishenvy......i have been attacked by some but I still stand by the idea that we need to part ways with the current regime. Herbstreit picked us to win....we absolutely pissed it down our leg.


Guys, I love ND and want our team to achieve and overcome.....we can't do it with our leader, he has done nothing at all since he has been here.......16 losses in 2 years.

I have said it before and I'll say it again.....charlie makes faust look good......period!

 

[03euroSVT]

Great another thread about getting rid of the head coach. I don't even know why I keep responding. If you want to express your concerns there's already plenty of threads you could respond to.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Didn't you just know that the offense would score? Very potent.

 

[Riddickulous]

I havent read the previous posts in this thread (i cant bring myself to, the subject of this thread disgusts me)

Weis called a good enough game to win. That cannot be debated, wasnt a perfect game, not by any stretch of the imagination. IF you put up 30+ points, your offense is good enough to win. undisputable.

The defense simply put, is not good. The dline was M.I.A all day. The dline is undersized, undermanned, outgunned, and too slow. they generated NO PRESSURE on that freshman QB, and couldnt stop him when he ran (can I get a Bill Walton, "How embarrassing..."?). Darrin Walls....you broke my heart, you were running around all game, it looked like you were lost for most of the game.

Blaming Weis, calling for Weis' head is cancerous. Weis has the offense to win, and can call a game for a win. its the defense that needs attention.

I took this loss especially hard, its now tuesday and only now have came out of my 'non-verbal state' concerning the game. While, I firmly believe there were other factors that led to us losing this game, in my eyes the defense is glaring weak point which WILL be a factor all season.

ND has an 11-1, or 10-2 offense; and a 3-9, or 4-8 defense.

It's Charlie's fault we have all that inexperience on the defensive line. It's his fifth year, yet the most experienced defensive lineman is a junior, the only truly good player is a sophomore, one redshirt freshman defensive end is all potential, and the other defensive end is a good linebacker jammed onto the defensive line.

Charlie has to take some of the blame for the poor job he has done recruiting talent on the defensive line.