The season is not lost!!

NeuteredDoomer

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I've never been a Charlie basher, but I am gun shy (save the deer jokes please) when it comes to NC optimism under his tutelage. I think he can get there but I think ND standards may not permit another NC. I have actually predicted a 6-6 season. They just can't win the big games. Add in officiating and a 500 season is all I can hope for until the team proves me wrong. Poor neighborhood puppies. And goats.
 

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I'm glad this lose came early in the season. We know ND has the tools to be a great team. I say support the coach and team until the season is over. If we lose more games that all the Weis haters can demand his head, or if we have a great season they can eat a nice bowl of steamy sh*t.

My parents have always supported me but when I act like an idiot or do something stupid they say as much. This board doesn't exist soley for the "oh what a great game even though we lost" types. Everybody brings something to this board and people have every right to say Charlie Weis made stupid decisions because it's our opinion and, it just so happens, the press and a lot of other fans seem to concur.

I don't tell the people who are supporting his decisions to shut up and sign the fire Weis petition and I don't need people who blindly support Weis telling me to shut up and do the same.

This is two seasons of that kind of b.s. going on. Fifteen losses in two years, the most in school history and now a disappointing start to another season gives me--and anyone else who feels the need--a right to complain about how things are going. People say you can't turn a program around, blah blah. Tell that to Pete Carrol, Nick Saban or Bronco Mendenhall because all of them turned around their respective programs in less than five years. And Mendenhall sure as hell doesn't have the recruiting base or resources that Charlie Weis does.
 

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So true. So true. Also still in contention with only one loss: Duke, Buffalo, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Toledo, Army and New Mexico State, just to name a few.

Hope and, apparently, delusion springs eternal.

Wow, really? ND in the same conversation with those teams this year? Anyway, you are entitled to your view . I hope I can revisit this in about three and a half months with you.

I bet the Oklahoma boards aren't having the same conversations.
 

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So by your logic montana, we are also in the same discussion with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Ohio State. Sounds goood to me!!!
 

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In my opinion, I think this loss will do more in the long run for Notre Dame...Losing early to a team like Michigan who in the Big 10 can nearly run the table (tough games being PSU and OSU). However, if they play like they did against us this week I think they pull at least one upset (both games are in Ann Arbor). Like someone said in an earlier post...Notre Dame should win their next 3 and go in to USC (with a bye week before) strong and with a renewed confidence from knowing what a tough loss feels like. Stop saying the season is over and calling for CW to be replaced. If you can't support your team then you aren't a real fan.

ND 12-1 this year. And if you ask me any game if they are going to win...my answer is yes.
 

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In my opinion, I think this loss will do more in the long run for Notre Dame...Losing early to a team like Michigan who in the Big 10 can nearly run the table (tough games being PSU and OSU). However, if they play like they did against us this week I think they pull at least one upset (both games are in Ann Arbor). Like someone said in an earlier post...Notre Dame should win their next 3 and go in to USC (with a bye week before) strong and with a renewed confidence from knowing what a tough loss feels like. Stop saying the season is over and calling for CW to be replaced. If you can't support your team then you aren't a real fan.

ND 12-1 this year. And if you ask me any game if they are going to win...my answer is yes.

That is the kind of attitude I like to see. I think Michigan is the 2nd best team in the Big Ten. Ohio State is so overrated its not even funny. They have a good defense, but their offense is HORRIBLE. Average running game, below average wr's (no hartline or robiskie this year) and a QB that flat out CANNOT throw. Mich St is a decent team but I think UM is better than they are. The 2 toughest games UM has IMO is at Iowa and home to PSU. I think they very possibly could head to a 10-2 season. This is a tough offense to play against and prepare for. Plus, NO ONE ON THEIR SCHEDULE RECRUITS TO STOP DICK ROD'S SPREAD, including us. It takes a different type of player to play in that offense, but it also takes a different type of player to stop it. I know that is an apples to oranges comparison but there is validity to it. Our DL is still very young and somewhat undersized. We cant create pressure off of the front 4. Ethan Johnson is just a sophomore. Kapron Lewis-Moore just played his 2nd college game. A properly ran spread offense can KILL an undersized and inexperienced DL. That is what we have right now. Its not like we lost 38-14. We still should have won, and that is why it hurts so much. But this season is far from over. I cant wait for 3 weeks from right now, heading into a bye week, when we are 4-1, ranked again, and preparing for USC.
 

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Difference is that OU didn't lose to a rebuilding program.
 

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I aint trying be a dick and have a bad attitude my attitude is the turth we lost to a team that aint going to be our toughest team and I dont think all the BCS hype is going to come through for us. No defense is going to kill us and we will be playing a low level bowl at best and hopefully next year we can go for the BCS again
 

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Theres been a lot of complaining already but some people need to step away from the ledge and realize the season can still be a success.

1-Make a BCS bowl. ND was not a legit NC title contender no matter how optimistic you guys were but a BCS still possible.

2-Jimmy Clausen winning the Heisman, that would be huge for ND.

3-Beat USC. Beating USC would be gigantic.

4-Get younger players some needed experience for the 2010 season. They need to sit Neal and Ian Williams and replace them with Hafis Williams and Steven Filer.

5-Continuing the progress on the O-line, Verducci has done a great job so far with the line. If he can continue to mold them into a physical dominating line than our offense will be hard to beat with the amount of play makers we have.

6-Win another bowl game.

Brother, I can really appreciate the optimism. Everyone on this board who really knows me and reads my posts know that in the past I have had the same optimism. Unfortunately there comes a time when optimism clashes with reality. You gave 6 good examples of how this season could still be considered a success. Unfortunately I am at the point where, going into the 5th year of the Weis regime has my optimism on empty. I love this team and this university and that will never, NEVER change but part of my devotion is built upon the hope that one day my expectations for this team will meet the on field production. Having an explosive offense is merely one part of having a great football team, without the other parts clicking together we will always be sub par to the national powerhouses. NO ONE wanted CW to succeed more than I did but I am at the end of my rope. I've been making excuses to why we haven't been successful for a little over 4 years now. With the team we finally have in place I can no longer justify defeat to young, inexperienced teams like Michigan! We have the talent, we have a manageable schedule, and we have every resource a college football team needs to be successful, if we are still not winning then I'm sorry but it has to be COACHING!

We are going to get beat by USC and I'm sure there will be at least one more hicup along the way. At best that puts us at 9-3. I remember before the season started people saying 9-3 isn't good enough(DRI,and many others including myself).
I'm not the guy that calls for a coaches head after every loss but there does come a time when enough is enough.


Going into his 5th year CW's biggest accomplishment is ALMOST beating USC.

I'm sorry but for me this season is going to be a loss. I hope I'm wrong but something tells me that by the end of the season everyone with a brain will agree CW has to go.
 
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So by your logic montana, we are also in the same discussion with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Ohio State. Sounds goood to me!!!

Don't include Oklahoma State, that team was way overrated and it showed yesterday. People get so sucked in by their "big 3" they don't realize that the rest of the team is pretty average. I'm guessing an 8-4 year for them.
 

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So by your logic montana, we are also in the same discussion with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Ohio State. Sounds goood to me!!!

Sure, but we have in more common in with Duke, Buffalo, Bowling Green, etc.; we are unranked and coming off a mediocre season last year and the worst season in school history two years prior to that.

Ohio State and Oklahoma are coming off of BCS games and Oklahoma State will have an opportunity to redeem themselves throughout the season in the Big XII.

USC just beat the best team in the Big Ten on the road in prime time with a freshmen QB. We just lost to the fourth or fifth best team in the Big Ten with them starting a freshmen QB. All of that doesn't add up to us beating USC so I'm not too concerned with the one loss scenario stuff. Plus, Michigan is going to lose at least three more games this year and so that loss is going to look way worse as time goes on.
 
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Doesnt matter who we beat. We will NEVER get respect. If we beat Usc then the Mark Mays of the world would say Usc had a down year and that they started a true freshman at quarterback. Its the same shit year in and year out.

Respect needs to EARNED and I don't think this team has earned it yet. I thought they were on the way after the way they manhandled Nevada but I was very disappointed in the Michigan game. I think this Saturday's game will really determine what 2009 is going to be like. If they beat the Spartans it could lead to a successful year (at least 9 wins). A loss and this could snowball into a really long and frustrating year
 

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Absolutely true that this season is NOT lost....just look at our fluffy schedule - while we play teams like BC, UCONN, Wash State, etc., (real powerhouses), and teams like, say LSU are playing the likes of Florida, Alabama and Mississippi, how can we even think our season might be lost? We've got a good chance to come out of the season with only maybe four losses against the titans we're playing, which will probably earn us a bowl bid!
 

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While it is true that many teams have won the NC with one loss, those teams started in the Top 10. Even if ND won out, true they may finish in the Top Ten but I don't see a BCS Championship Game. I did not expect them to Win the BCS this year but I am hoping for a decent Top Ten showing. The Offense looked pretty good a few drops hurt us. and certainly the scrambling of Torcier. Those areas we need to improve. I truly believe that ND was the better team Saturday, and there was much improvement over last year.
 

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Sure, but we have in more common in with Duke, Buffalo, Bowling Green, etc.; we are unranked and coming off a mediocre season last year and the worst season in school history two years prior to that.

Ohio State and Oklahoma are coming off of BCS games and Oklahoma State will have an opportunity to redeem themselves throughout the season in the Big XII.

USC just beat the best team in the Big Ten on the road in prime time with a freshmen QB. We just lost to the fourth or fifth best team in the Big Ten with them starting a freshmen QB. All of that doesn't add up to us beating USC so I'm not too concerned with the one loss scenario stuff. Plus, Michigan is going to lose at least three more games this year and so that loss is going to look way worse as time goes on.

I am going to PM you my home address so you can send me some of the shit you are smoking. It must be pretty good!! OSU is wayyyyyyy overrated. Yes they have a good defense. BUT TERRELLE PRYOR IS AWFUL. Guy can run yes, but he cant throw to save his life. Nor can he make anyone miss. Average running backs. Receivers that would probably be 4th and 5th on our depth chart. Wake up.
 

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I agree!!! Penn State is the best team in the Big Ten period! OSU almost got beat by navy at home the week before...they are way overrated!
 

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Ok, I know I have been away from posting on this site for a while, but I always read the excellent posts on here and I have much respect for those who frequent this site. Keep it going, its very enjoyable and informative for the ND nation!

I'm an alum, graduated in '98, and like all of you have been a die hard fan my whole life. The past several years have been very difficult to try and hold your head high as an Irish fan, but you do it anyway, because you LOVE, not like, but LOVE Notre Dame.

This weekend's loss was awful, no doubt about it. In the midst of my initial emotional turmoil, I was among the many calling for Charlie's head and giving up on the season. But now that I've had some time to calm down, and to vent with fellow Domers, I want to remind everyone of the 2005 season - I cannot recall if we started out ranked or not, but if we did it was only barely. No one knew what kind of team to expect, Charlie's first year at the helm and Brady Quinn very much a question mark as a junior starrting qb. Coming off an awful season under Willingham the year before, very little to hang our hopes on. But then we come out of the gate firing! Big win at Pitt, but that certainly doesn't jet us to the top of the ranks. The next week, a BIG win against Michigan (I believe they were ranked #5 at the time??) in the big house, and we are off to a great 2-0 start. I think we then cracked into the top 25, but you will all likely remember that that was failry short lived. I myself attended the following weekend's game, home against MSU, lost a heartbreaker in a multi-overtime affair. Just awful. All of a sudden, we are now 2-1, having lost to a decent but certainly not highly tauted MSU team, and we come crashing back down to earth in a hurry. BUT....and this is the main point I want to make....I still recall that, after we got back on the horse and beat Purdue and Washington the next two weeks, we were heading into the bye week with USC around the corner, exactly as we will be doing this year, with a 4-1 record, and perhaps the MOST HYPED game ever that I can recall ND being involved in - remember they had to hold the pep rally in the stadium and Joe M spoke that night?? I know they hold them in the stadium all the time now, but that was novel at the time, and I still remember that they showed highlights of the pep rally on ESPN that night!!!

We all, of course, remember the heart break of the Bush-push debacle, but that is not the point. Just remember our record and relative standing that season prior to that USC showdown - we were 4-1, had lost a heartbreaking game to a good Big Ten opponent, and yet the weeks leading up to that showdown with USC were filled with hype and chatter unlike any other game I could ever recall (except maybe FSU in '93), and that is eerily similar to what could very well happen to the Irish this season. Very similar if you think about it - one loss to a Big Ten team, heartbreaking loss at that, excellent Junior QB at the helm, bye week before SC, etc.

I know this team has a long way to go, but don't count them out yet. This season could harken back to the '05 season, only hopefully with a much different outcome when USC comes to town.

Go Irish!
 

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Absolutely true that this season is NOT lost....just look at our fluffy schedule - while we play teams like BC, UCONN, Wash State, etc., (real powerhouses), and teams like, say LSU are playing the likes of Florida, Alabama and Mississippi, how can we even think our season might be lost? We've got a good chance to come out of the season with only maybe four losses against the titans we're playing, which will probably earn us a bowl bid!

Yes, LSU has decent schedule, Phil Steele ranks it the 21st toughest for '09 while Steele ranks ND way, way down at #36th toughest (3 spots ahead of OSU and 4 spots ahead of Texas).

As for those SEC powerhouses:

UF #34 (that's 2 spots ahead of our "fluffy schedule"!)

Bama #68 (that's 32 spots fluffier then ND!)

Mississippi #77 (is that a fluffernutter schedule?)

Oh, and Kentucky who's getting poll votes have the #52 schedule.
 

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I'd held out definitively calling this a 10-2 team (okay projecting) - hoping that it would be a miracle season - now that the the perfection prayer is off of the table: 10 - 2 it is.

I still think we are a year away. No matter what record we end the year at - I want Weis to have his team and that's next year. If he doesn't make it - then move on.

I think a new coach (if necessary) with 2 years of a Weis tutored Crist and the Weis recruits - we come in reloaded and not rebuilding.
 
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