'10 CA CB Joshua Shaw (Florida Verbal)

[BGIF]

Ideally you really only want to take about 25 guys, this ain't Alabame afetr all

At ND you want to take in the low 20's which allows for 5th years.

And when you have openings in the last recruiting class and have EE (like this year) you can make like Alabama and take more.

 

[jason_h537]

At ND you want to take in the low 20's which allows for 5th years.

And when you have openings in the last recruiting class and have EE (like this year) you can make like Alabama and take more.

Agree on the low 20's class, but the more guys you take, the higher you risk transfers (06 class). Unlike Bama, our commits qualify every year.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Agree on the low 20's class, but the more guys you take, the higher you risk transfers (06 class). Unlike Bama, our commits qualify every year.

Losing a kid to transfer that's never going to make the 2 deep is not a big deal. All it does, if you have healthy #'s, is make for fodder for message board dorks who want to trash ND for losing a player. USC takes 5 stars constantly, fills their classes with stud after stud, and has no problem with letting the players compete, while letting the lesser players transfer. Transfer students are transferring for a reason, and usually it's PT (unless you mess with ResLife, that is...

 

[BGIF]

Losing a kid to transfer that's never going to make the 2 deep is not a big deal. All it does, if you have healthy #'s, is make for fodder for message board dorks who want to trash ND for losing a player. USC takes 5 stars constantly, fills their classes with stud after stud, and has no problem with letting the players compete, while letting the lesser players transfer. Transfer students are transferring for a reason, and usually it's PT (unless you mess with ResLife, that is...

From a solely a football perspective I agree but I don't believe UND agrees. They expect every student admitted to graduate. UND does not want a turnover transfer rate. This makes the recruiting process tougher at ND where the coaches are expected by the fans to find talented athletes to win games while the Administration requires them to recruit students who can compete in the classroom.

One other aspect that's important with ND transfers. USC can replace a lost Jr with a plug in 20 year old JUCO that's been in a college weightroom for 2 or 3 years. Think OJ Simpson. USC has a JUCO in the current class, if I recall correctly. Josh Heupel stepped in at OU but not as a rookie freshman. If ND spends two years training and developing a young athlete only to lose him to transfer they have to replace him with a 17 or 18 year old and build his body and mind into a Div 1 athlete. Some kids can step in at true freshman but the large volume we've seen in the past few years is largely a product of the poor recruiting and transfers stemming from the Willingham years.

 

[NDinL.A.]

From a solely a football perspective I agree but I don't believe UND agrees. They expect every student admitted to graduate. UND does not want a turnover transfer rate. This makes the recruiting process tougher at ND where the coaches are expected by the fans to find talented athletes to win games while the Administration requires them to recruit students who can compete in the classroom.

As I was typing it, I had a strong feeling my argument was flawed, but I pressed the send button anyways. You bring up some good points. I stand corrected.

 

[jason_h537]

Losing a kid to transfer that's never going to make the 2 deep is not a big deal. All it does, if you have healthy #'s, is make for fodder for message board dorks who want to trash ND for losing a player. USC takes 5 stars constantly, fills their classes with stud after stud, and has no problem with letting the players compete, while letting the lesser players transfer. Transfer students are transferring for a reason, and usually it's PT (unless you mess with ResLife, that is...

Emmanual Moody and Vidal Hazelton transferred, both were 5 stars. Players will always leave because of playing time.

 

[BGIF]

As I was typing it, I had a strong feeling my argument was flawed, but I pressed the send button anyways. You bring up some good points. I stand corrected.

I don't know that your argument was flawed nor that you need to stand corrected. What you said applies to most college football programs.

 

[BGIF]

"Always"

"Always"

Emmanual Moody and Vidal Hazelton transferred, both were 5 stars. Players will always leave because of playing time.

Once again with the hyperbole, "always". How soon we forget. Rosters are loaded with players who didn't transfer. Lou Holtz made RB Autry Denson a CB for 1 game. Denson fought his way back to RB and set the ND career rushing mark. McDougal was the heir apparent QB in the summer of '93, he had lettered at QB behind Mirer. Then Ron Powlus stepped on campus and won the position in preseason camp. Holtz announced Powlus the starter. McDougal could have bolted like the Olsen girls, Rueland and others. Powlus got hurt and Kevin almost won a NC ring. Tom Krug was a talented QB and spent his career backing up Powlus. Petitgout got a chance as a Jr went Clevenger developed back problems. A year later he was a 1st Round Draft Pick to everybodies surprise except his.

Moody and Hazelton actually fit NDinL.A.'s statement:

USC takes 5 stars constantly, fills their classes with stud after stud, and has no problem with letting the players compete, while letting the lesser players transfer.

5 Stars on the recruiting service board but "the less player" in the competition on that practice field.

 

[jason_h537]

Damn i hate you, plus i worded it wrong. What i meant to say, and i wont use always. the main reason players transfer, whetherthey state it or not, is playing time. It may fit NDinLA's statement, but it read like he said the lesser players transfer because they cant compete with 5 stars.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Damn i hate you, plus i worded it wrong. What i meant to say, and i wont use always. the main reason players transfer, whetherthey state it or not, is playing time. It may fit NDinLA's statement, but it read like he said the lesser players transfer because they cant compete with 5 stars.

No, I meant it the way BGIF read it. The best players, regardless of stars or points or stickers or whatever they come in, win jobs at USC (and elsewhere). Stars mean crap when you lace them up and go head to head against someone. There are thousands of examples of lesser heralded players beating out the hyped kids...

 

[jason_h537]

Shaw starting to make plans to visit his top schools

West Recruiting Blog - ESPN

 

[BGIF]

DB Shaw getting nation-wide interest

DB Shaw getting nation-wide interest

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]by Greg Biggins ESPN 7/19[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Joshua Shaw is Rivals #23 CB with 3 Stars but expect this kid to rise in the recruiting rankings. Biggins believes Shaw might be the most physical CB in the West. He dominanted receivers at the LOS at the Nike Camp held at Stanford. He's no longer a "regional recruit" either. In addition to his early ND offer plus a slew of PAC 10 offers including USC, UCLA, CAL, ORE, and UW he's added offers from OU, NU from the Big 12, OSU from the Big 10, and UTN and soon LSU from the SEC. Some of the new offers have changed his top 5 list.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]OSU is my most recent offer and I'm very interested in them right now. Right now, I'm planning to take an unofficial visit to OSU and ND the same weekend in August. I don't have the exact dates but I'm going to fly in to South Bend one morning, spend the day there and then drive to Columbus the next day and then fly home out of Columbus. I'm going to officially visit both schools as well and those visits will both be when they play USC. [/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]OSU opens the season with USC on 9/12. ND plays USC on 10/17.He's currently planning an official to LSU.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]LSU is going to offer me and I'm going to lock in my visit with them as soon as they do. I'm looking to visit the weekend they play Florida (Oct. 10) and that's all I have set right now.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]He's another CA kid who's going to use his Officials to visit out of state schools but will make unofficials to USC and UCLA as he already knows them both. He also plans to visit UW on an unofficial. OU and UTN are likely candidatates for his last two Officials Shaw still plans to graduate in December for Early Enrollment so he intends to take all official visits in season.[/FONT]

 

[NDinL.A.]

Might not make it to ND when he visits Ohio State this summer b/c of time issues, but that's not an affront to ND. He and his family are being diligent in their recruiting, and they've already seen ND and have already set up an OV for the USC game. WOuld have loved to have seen him on campus again, but we'll still see him in October...

 

[Dacian_Irish]

I think Shaw would be a huge get. Not only can he play CB but he could probably play Safety too. Very versitile player that in my opinion is another must get, especially with our current lack of safety situation.

 

[jason_h537]

Thisb guy is a TRUE CB. Not like Slaughter who is a Safety with CB skills when he came on campus. Shaw will not play safety at the next level. Guy can cover with the best of them.

 

[BGIF]

Thisb guy is a TRUE CB. Not like Slaughter who is a Safety with CB skills when he came on campus. Shaw will not play safety at the next level. Guy can cover with the best of them.

Ah sorry "coach" but AZ_Irish is correct.

Shaw is a versatile athlete that could play anywhere in the secondary particularly considering ND's depth in the secondary. At 6-2 187 and entering his Senior HS season, Shaw probably still has some growing to do and Div 1 weight training to go. There aren't many 6-2 or 6-3 corners but there are lot of Safeties in that range.

Bobby Taylor was selected to All-American Teams both as a Safety and as a Corner.

Harrison was a Safety in HS and played OLB at ND because that's where he was needed at the time. Now he's a Safety.

 

[Dacian_Irish]

He could also play the nickle corner because of his size. The dude is a stud athlete with size... gotta have him!!

 

[BGIF]

Shaw gets 4 Stars

Shaw gets 4 Stars

Rivals upgraded their Top 100 awarding Joshua Shaw a 4th Star and making him #45 on their Top 100.

 

[jason_h537]

The guy is a stud.

 

[WabashFalcon]

I want this cat.... hardcore.

 

[jason_h537]

Recently offered by Michigan and like the immediate play time he can get there. Says that Chris Martin is on him alot and got achanceto hang out at the Gridiron Kings.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Michigan now? REALLY?!?!? This kid is going to give me a heart attack come National Signing Day...

 

[IrishInFl]

Or maybe he will take my genius plan of choosing between Michigan and USC, then throw those hats in the garbage and take out a ND cap!

 

[BGIF]

Rivals #3 CB

Rivals #3 CB

Jumped 20 slots in Rivals latest CB Rankings from #23 to #3.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Jumped 20 slots in Rivals latest CB Rankings from #23 to #3.

And people were bitching about him being YET ANOTHER 3 star...

 

[BGIF]

And people were bitching about him being YET ANOTHER 3 star...

Could it be that the ND recruiting staff is out in front of the recruiting gurus in evaluating talent?

 

[IrishAddiction]

nah no way what the hell do they know. their just college football coaches.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Could it be that the ND recruiting staff is out in front of the recruiting gurus in evaluating talent?

That very well could be the case. There is no doubt that the ND coaches know talent.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Any chance he can get a fifth star before the end of the recruiting cycle?

 

[BGIF]

Any chance he can get a fifth star before the end of the recruiting cycle?

He doesn't have far to go. He's Rivals #3 CB. Both #1 and #2 are 5 Stars.