Change we can believe in

[Junkhead]

I think she's like 18. Who knows about Alaskan laws though, she may have been legal for 5 years up in that wilderness.

 

[Quinntastic]

I bet Moose are legal up in Alaska...I hear it's like a whole other country up there.

 

[jason_h537]

Quinntastic you are so wrong right now. That is the REAL America. Not like that fake america the rest of us live in.

 

[Quinntastic]

I refuse to believe that Real Americans would vote for Sarah Palin into any kind of political office

*crosses arms and shakes head*

And that's all I'm going to say about THAT.

 

[ARALOU]

I felt the same way about President Obama about 7 months ago.

 

[jason_h537]

Well according to Palin, real Americans did not vote for Obama.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Well according to Palin, real Americans did not vote for Obama.

Where and when was that statement made?

 

[IrishAlum1997]

I refuse to believe that Real Americans would vote for Sarah Palin into any kind of political office

*crosses arms and shakes head*

And that's all I'm going to say about THAT.

Yes, Alaskans are just Canadians that want to be Americans. I voted for....um, Joe Biden?

I am a Real American. Fight for the rights of every man.

 

[Quinntastic]

Well I don't like the direction this is heading so just a reminder that I was joking and I bid this thread farewell as well...

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Farewell. By the way Quinn, as a Flight of the Conchords fan...might I recommend a hilarious show on IFC called Z-Rock. Heard of it???

 

[WabashFalcon]

Close this sucker?

 

[jason_h537]

Where and when was that statement made?

You don't remember her real America speech she made, i believe in Missouri. Ill try to find a clip or something, but basically she was saying how in real America they have values and morals, and that liberal states are not real America because they dont live by these standards. She got some heat for it, probably don't remember because of all the other stupid shit she did. My favorite Sarh Palin quote of all time is, when asked about a potential VP nomination. "What is it exactly that a VP does?".

 

[IrishAlum1997]

You don't remember her real America speech she made, i believe in Missouri. Ill try to find a clip or something, but basically she was saying how in real America they have values and morals, and that liberal states are not real America because they dont live by these standards. She got some heat for it, probably don't remember because of all the other stupid shit she did. My favorite Sarh Palin quote of all time is, when asked about a potential VP nomination. "What is it exactly that a VP does?".

I know what speech you speak of, I think you are putting into a context than how I (and likely most conservatives) interpreted what she was saying. Isn't quite the polished speaker that Teleprompter Man is, that's for sure.

I like when Big Daddy Joe B spoke of FDR's fireside chats on TV. Politicians blow.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest - Yahoo! News

Thoughts? Our great leader perpetuating racial profiling. The man should be grateful he has concerned neighbors that were worried about someone trying to break his door down. Shut up and show your ID. I also like how he notes he was a 'scholar.' I am so sick of people (in general) using their credentials to support why they are being treated unfairly. I've heard "I'm a doctor!" "I drive a Bentley!" "I have a Masters degree."

Good for you. Let's see your ID.

 

[Junkhead]

This thread has run its course. CLOSED.

can I do that?

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest - Yahoo! News

Thoughts? Our great leader perpetuating racial profiling. The man should be grateful he has concerned neighbors that were worried about someone trying to break his door down. Shut up and show your ID. I also like how he notes he was a 'scholar.' I am so sick of people (in general) using their credentials to support why they are being treated unfairly. I've heard "I'm a doctor!" "I drive a Bentley!" "I have a Masters degree."

Good for you. Let's see your ID.

From what Obama said at his speech two days ago he did show ID. I guess he was being unruly or something and that's why he was arrested, I don't know.

 

[Bubba]

wish you could.

 

[jason_h537]

Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest - Yahoo! News

Thoughts? Our great leader perpetuating racial profiling. The man should be grateful he has concerned neighbors that were worried about someone trying to break his door down. Shut up and show your ID. I also like how he notes he was a 'scholar.' I am so sick of people (in general) using their credentials to support why they are being treated unfairly. I've heard "I'm a doctor!" "I drive a Bentley!" "I have a Masters degree."

Good for you. Let's see your ID.

The man did thank his neghbors for calling the cops. He is also in his late 60's 5'7 150 pounds wearing a orange polo shirt and khaki's and walks with a cane. This was racial profiling and if you have never been a victim of racial profiling than you have no business speaking on it. Gates did show his ID and was arrested for disorderly conduct. Another tidbit, you can not be arrested in your home for disorderly conduct. He was escorted out of hi own home to be arrested.

 

[Bubba]

I have to disagree. The police were responding to a burglary call. It is reported that Gates was uncooperative. It doesn't have anything to do with the color of his skin. And, just becasue you are a Harvard professor doesn't give you the right to be uncooperative with the police. This could have been settled if he would have just maintained his composure instead of acting like he is priviledged. Our President (whom I voted for) spoke out of turn and admitted so in a news conference. The only reason it is being made a big deal is because he is also black. The President also acknowledged that Gates also over-reacted. This is being made into too much of an issue by our President, his opponents and the media. We will never make progress until we can put all of this aside and focus on the issues instead of the color of skin.

 

[jason_h537]

no the police officer that arrested him said he was uncooperative, and gates said he was not. Its the officers word against the professors. The question is had he been white would he have been asked to prove that he was in his home? Would he have been arrested regardless of if he made a scene? Finally what does it matter if he made a scene in his own home?

 

[Bubba]

I think that is the problem here Jason. We shouldn't always question, "Well, if he was white..." I understand the fact that there is a history of black people being discriminated against. But, in my opinion, if we are to move forward we all must make some compromises. We don't need to forget history, but we need to let it go or we will never get past this. Here's another IF. If he was white this wouldn't even be a story, even if he had been arrested.

As for your last question about making a scene in his own home. Police officers put their lives on the line everyday. While I'll admit there are plenty of them who have this sense of power, they have to react to erratic behavior and I can't blame them for over-reacting at times. The officer is at a disavantage here. He doesn't know who is in the house and he doesn't know if someone has a weapon. I believe we should all remain calm when having to deal with the police; it really is the smartest move.

 

[jason_h537]

I think that is the problem here Jason. We shouldn't always question, "Well, if he was white..."

If there was not a double standard then we wouldn't have to ask this question. The real problem is why are we still asking if this would happen if he was white, and unless you have ever been mistreated because of what you look like than you have no idea what this issue is about

 

[notredomer23]

If there was not a double standard then we wouldn't have to ask this question. The real problem is why are we still asking if this would happen if he was white, and unless you have ever been mistreated because of what you look like than you have no idea what this issue is about

There is no such thing as racial profiling anymore, but there is profiling. My cousin the other day got in a really bad car crash, car flipped over and everything. Thank God he was okay and got out of the car just fine. When the police arrived there they made him spread em and put his hands up on a tree, make him take a breatalizer test, and a bunch of other crap because he was wearing just shorts and no shirt cuz it was like 100 degrees and smelled like cigarette smoke cuz he is a smoker. Profiling goes on for white, black, hispanic, asain, native american people, friggin blue people it doesnt matter. Honestly this is the problem, people thinking they are getting profiled cuz of race.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Who dug this monster back up? I finally thought that this thread was as dead as Jacko.



Too soon???

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Hey wabash...beat it.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Hey wabash...beat it.

I did it. Twice.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

I did it. Twice.

NICE!!!

 

[no.1IrishFan]

I did it. Twice.

You said you're getting married soon right? Well you'll be BEATING it a lot more after you say I do! LOL!

It's funny after I told my father I was engaged and we were getting married he said...."why? don't you like having sex? Parents are wiser than we give them credit for!

 

[BGIF]

If there was not a double standard then we wouldn't have to ask this question. The real problem is why are we still asking if this would happen if he was white, and unless you have ever been mistreated because of what you look like than you have no idea what this issue is about

Once again YOUR bias is showing.

I am white and it did happen to me.

My house is 200 feet from the street and I have a heavily wooded lot including the front yard. The neighbors can't see my house. I have a secruity system as I travelled a lot 150- 200 night out of state. I was gone on a business trip for about 2 weeks came home midday. Drove in the basement garage and went upstairs. I dropped by bags in the bedroom and went to the front door to check for delivery packages. Picked them up and brought them in the house. My arms were full so I couldn't use my hands to close the door completely behind me. I kicked it but it apparently didn't latch.

I took the packages to my office then picked up the wrappings and took them out back and burned them in my fire pit. Walked back in the house and was confronted by a policeman with his hand on his gun, strap unsnapped. He asked who I was I told him, "The Owner. This is my house. Is there a problem?" He didn't acknowledge my question. He identified himself, I could see the badge on the uniform, the nametag on his shirt, and the 9 mm on his hip. Then he repeated his request for my I.D.

Instinctively but stupidly I reached for my wallet in my back pocket. He had his gun out in a flash. I froze. I didn't scream at him. I didn't accuse him of racism. Yeah, he was a black man in my house with a gun aimed at me. And I hadn't done anything wrong. What right did he have to be in my house?

I calmly said, "IF it's OK with you I'm going to turn around slowly, counterclockwise, so you can see I have my hand on my wallet. I'm not going to move my hands." He said, OK. I did. He told me to take out my ID. I did. He radioed in to dispatch, "I'm in the house with the owner. There is no robbery. False alarm." He told me to relax as he put his gun away.

When I came in the house I had taken too much time getting all my bags from a 2 week trip out of the car before disarming my security system. The local audible siren malfunctioned and didn't go off. But the system had sent an alarm to the security company who reported an unauthorized entry through a basement garage door to local law enforcement.

When the cop arrived he didn't see a car. The car was in the basement garage. The garage door were tinted by the prior owner to prevent burglars from looking in. The cop went to the front door and found it ajar. He opened the door and announced himself. I didn't hear him as I was outside burning the package wrappings. He entered and found his way to the kitchen as I came in the backdoor.

Until I identified myself I was a suspected burglar in the act. I thanked the cop for his actions and apologized for reaching my hand behind my back out of his line of sight causing him concern. He apologized for pulling his gun. I told him it wasn't necessary. My actions precipitated his.

I have two nephew who are cops in another state. I once asked them in a situation with a cop what's the best thing I can do to make the cop (the guy with a gun) feel non-threatened. They both replied, "Show your hands." I had done that. I held them out to my sides, not outstretched ready to be frisked, but enought to show they were empty and far enough from my body to reach a concealed weapon. But when I reached for my wallet to get my I.D. I could easily have been reaching for a weapon in my

After the cop left I called the security systems to get the audible siren problem fixed then I wrote a letter to the chief of police commending his man for his diligence and professionalism. I hand delivered the letter.

I could have lost my cool and screamed at the cop. I found it embarrasing hearing the talking heads on TV justify the homeowner's actions because he was tired from travel. Unlike Gates, my cop wasn't outside the door asking for I.D. He was in MY house and I hadn't invited him. I hadn't let him in.

I wasn't angry and didn't cite the constititution, a man's home is his castle, remind him he works for me, or threaten to have his job, or threaten a lawsuit. I was thankful he responded alone to an alarm condition protecting my property while possibly putting his life in jeopardy. I was thankful he acted appropriately in checking for a burglar and checking I.D. on the stranger he encountered in an alarm condition. And I was thankful he didn't shot me when I reached for my wallet.

By jason's logic I should have been angry and screaming. In college I was pulled over in broad daylight on a major highway. I wasn't speeding; I was in the slow lane. I hadn't failed to use a signal because I hadn't changed lanes for several miles. Responding to the flashing lights I put on my turn signal and pull onto the right shoulder. I was in a convertible, top down. Wasn't smoking. Hadn't been driving erratically, no cell phone, no passenger in the car. I wasn't too close to the car in front of me either. I was baffled at the stop.

He came up and asked for license and registration. I gave him the license and told him the registration was in the glove compartment. As I leaned over to the passenger side, opened it, and reached in I heard the distinct click of a revolver being cocked. I turned my head slowly and looked back into the mouth of the largest cannon I had even seen. I froze and refused to move. I politely told him he could get the registration himself. He told me to proceed. I refused as long as he had his gun cocked and pointed at the back of my head. I told him to call for backup if I was so threatening looking. He finally moved around to the other side of the car where he could see my hand in the glove compartment holding a single piece of paper, the registration. He uncocked the gun and stopped pointing it at me. He took the registration and confirmed it by radio that I was the legal owner.

Turned out he pulled me over because I "looked" too young to own that car. He had run my plates before pulling me over. The license that matched the registration was for an 18 year old, me. Didn't matter to him. He though he had a joy rider. He told me that. He told me somebody so young couldn't own a car like that. I told him the truth. My brother-in-law had bought the car a few months earlier and had lost his license. The car was going to be repossed, I needed a car for college so I took over the payments at my brother-in-law's suggestion, and had the title transferred. Simple as that.

So yeah, jason, I've looked down the cocked barrel of a gun pointed at my face - when I had done absolutely nothing wrong except be young. I have justification to hate cops and defy them, don't I? "They had no right to do that to me."

Sorry, I don't hate all cops for the action of that one. I still think that one was a jerk and that the one I "met" in my house is more typical of other cops I've met on the job in my lifetime. Guys with tough jobs make critical decisions in stressful situations. Sometimes with their lives and twice with mine own life hanging in the balance.

The professor in this current situation is the one with all the advanced degrees. He's the one with the smarts yet he acted like a redneck bubba when he was asked to simply provide I.D. to a cop responding to a burglary call.

MLK said he dreamed of a day when his children would be judged by the content of their character not the color of their skin. I never thought MLK meant that to be one sided.

There's a cop in Cambridge who wonders why he was judged AND is being judged on the color of his skin and not the content of his character.

 

[jason_h537]

My bias? You were not arrested once you showed ypur ID to the officer and the closest thing you can come up with to profiling is being pulled over for being young. Here is your bias, everyone assumes that Gates is lying when he says that he did not make a scene. Its the officers word against his and everyone here assumes the officer has no reason to lie, Gates is just another angry black man playing the race card.

I had a gun pulled on me by a cop at 12 years old while with my uncle because us beaners did not belong in that neighborhood and when i get pulled over i have to sit in the back of the police car while they search my vehicle. before anyone asks no i am not bald or resemble a gangbanger.

There is no such thing is racial profiling anymore just like racism doesnt exist anymore, we have a black president. Redlining and racial gerrymandering are also urban legends. Blacks and latinos are dispropotionately arrested and pulled over not because of race, it must be because we are naturally deviant people.