Claussen given no respect in position rankings.

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National champs.net has the top 15 qbs in cfb for 2009 as follows:

1.Tim Tebow-Fla
2. Sam Bradford-Oklahoma
3. Colt McCoy-Texas
4.Matt Stafford-Georgia
5. Max Hall-BYU
6.Todd Reesing-Kansas
7. Nate Davis-Ball State
8. Mark Sanchez-USC(Declared for draft)
9. Zac Robinson-Oklahoma St.
10. Case Keenum-Houston
11. Daryl Clark-Penn St
12. Juice Williams-Illinois
13. Colin Kaepernick-Nevada
14. Josh Freeman-Kansas St.
15. Dan LaFevour-Central Mich.


I just thought it was kind of hard to belive that JC isnt a top 15 QB. Your thoughts....
 

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National champs.net has the top 15 qbs in cfb for 2009 as follows:

1.Tim Tebow-Fla
2. Sam Bradford-Oklahoma
3. Colt McCoy-Texas
4.Matt Stafford-Georgia
5. Max Hall-BYU
6.Todd Reesing-Kansas
7. Nate Davis-Ball State
8. Mark Sanchez-USC(Declared for draft)
9. Zac Robinson-Oklahoma St.
10. Case Keenum-Houston
11. Daryl Clark-Penn St
12. Juice Williams-Illinois
13. Colin Kaepernick-Nevada
14. Josh Freeman-Kansas St.
15. Dan LaFevour-Central Mich.


I just thought it was kind of hard to belive that JC isnt a top 15 QB. Your thoughts....
Respect must be earned.

Not busting on him...but he has not earned a Top15...yet.
 

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I agree, it needs to be earned. He gets blame for the teams results. WHen the team does better, he'll be seen as a better QB. I saw a lot of great things from him, but it seems everyone else (non ND fans) only remember the bad.
 

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What makes this list more compelling is, four of the QBs listed have left early for the draft. Correct me if I'm wrong but:

Nate Davis
Josh Freeman
Mark Sanchez
Mathew Stafford

Although I do agree with LOVEMYIRISH that it needs to be earned. This year will be the true test. I think this coming up year will tell us a lot about the team and CW.


Dizzy
 

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I found it odd that Snead isn't on that list... But I agree. While flashes of greatness give rise to optimism among the Irish faithful, they are flashes. When you can string a season together, thats when you will be considered great.
 

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Ummm we had a thread similar to this and it was labled top 5 qb's for next year. And alot of you had him in the top 5. I didnt even have him in my top 15 from what I remember. What has he proven? Just answer me that and maybe I will think of putting him around #20. Sorry, you know me. I just tell it like it is. I agree with the top 15.
 

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That sure looks like a ranking that demands respect. At least three of those QBs are headed for the NFL. So they are the best in CFB in 2009? Very credible... As for JC, he does need to prove that he can win more games. If the bowl game was any indicator of the up coming season then he should make lots of folks eat crow.
 

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Ummm we had a thread similar to this and it was labled top 5 qb's for next year. And alot of you had him in the top 5. I didnt even have him in my top 15 from what I remember. What has he proven? Just answer me that and maybe I will think of putting him around #20. Sorry, you know me. I just tell it like it is. I agree with the top 15.

Dude...I just got ragged on for something "similiar" of what you said... Clausen needs to be consistent in order to prove that he's a top 15 QB...Gosh...I can't wait for the "cali fan club" to get here....
 

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completely agree with junkhead. Jimmy has the tools and the weapons around him to really have a huge year. the nightmares from the second half of the season seem a distant memory following the performance he turned in the bowl game. I truly believe that not only Jimmy but the Irish are primed for a breakout season. As an SI cover of Ron Powlus said... "Its Now or Never!
 

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National champs.net has the top 15 qbs in cfb for 2009 as follows:

1.Tim Tebow-Fla
2. Sam Bradford-Oklahoma
3. Colt McCoy-Texas
4.Matt Stafford-Georgia
5. Max Hall-BYU
6.Todd Reesing-Kansas
7. Nate Davis-Ball State
8. Mark Sanchez-USC(Declared for draft)
9. Zac Robinson-Oklahoma St.
10. Case Keenum-Houston
11. Daryl Clark-Penn St
12. Juice Williams-Illinois
13. Colin Kaepernick-Nevada
14. Josh Freeman-Kansas St.
15. Dan LaFevour-Central Mich.


I just thought it was kind of hard to belive that JC isnt a top 15 QB. Your thoughts....

My thoughts are that there is no disrespect here at all. Clausen wasn't even in the top 40 (he was 43rd) in Passing Efficiency last season. Passing Efficiency is the NCAA's equivalent of the QB Rating, in the NFL. Even if over half of the 42 players in front of him graduated/left early, that still doesn't even put him in the Top 20, going into this year. Clausen is going to continue to struggle, until ND can put together a complete running game. Right this moment, they don't have that. So why would anyone think that Clausen might jump some of the guys ahead of him?
 

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Dude...I just got ragged on for something "similiar" of what you said... Clausen needs to be consistent in order to prove that he's a top 15 QB...Gosh...I can't wait for the "cali fan club" to get here....

Yeah but these guys are sick of ragging on me all the time. I have been here along time and most of the time they just ignore it. Its funny cuz this site just wouldnt be the same without me. lol lol lol
 

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My thoughts are that there is no disrespect here at all. Clausen wasn't even in the top 40 (he was 43rd) in Passing Efficiency last season. Passing Efficiency is the NCAA's equivalent of the QB Rating, in the NFL. Even if over half of the 42 players in front of him graduated/left early, that still doesn't even put him in the Top 20, going into this year. Clausen is going to continue to struggle, until ND can put together a complete running game. Right this moment, they don't have that. So why would anyone think that Clausen might jump some of the guys ahead of him?

NDOM is more worthy of a response then you are, and that says a lot
 

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Respect must be earned.

Not busting on him...but he has not earned a Top15...yet.

totally agree... but niether has Colin Kaepernick, Dan LaFevour etc.... I thin kthat's pretty out there... but also expected...
 

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Jimmy will be a better college QB than Matt Stafford next season. You can bank on it.
 

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totally agree... but niether has Colin Kaepernick, Dan LaFevour etc.... I thin kthat's pretty out there... but also expected...

I dont know about Dan LeFevour.... I am a Bronco and even I think that guy is damn good. I hate central...
 

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What has Clausen proven?

He has proven that when he is given time to throw the football he has a deadly accurate arm

When he is not given time his immobility is exponentially apparent and his decision making is still below average. He also had the misfortune of playing for an offense with a terrible running game.

Jimmy's college career, like many college quarterbacks, will be determined by those around him, namely the offensive line and running backs. If the O-Line learns how to block (both in pass protection and for a good running attack) the sky is the limit for Jimmy.
 

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Dude...I just got ragged on for something "similiar" of what you said... Clausen needs to be consistent in order to prove that he's a top 15 QB...Gosh...I can't wait for the "cali fan club" to get here....

Oh my goodness, you again? Are you really back on this argument so you can look foolish again? You said nothing 'similar' to what NDOM said. NDOM said he wouldn't be in his top 15, while you said Jimmy Clausen sucks for a 5 star QB. Instead of being agreed with, you heard.....crickets. Nobody agreed with you there, while most of the people on this thread agree with NDOM. HUGE difference in what you guys said. If you want to continue to look stupid, I can once again throw you the sophomore stats of the top 2 through 4 QB's on this chart and you can compare than to Jimmy's, and you can say that they all 'suck' too.

Anyways, back to the real point of the thread. 1st of all, as many pointed out, the list is a joke. Sanchez, Stafford, Freeman, Davis...I mean, please. Can we update it just a bit? Anyways, I can absolutely see why many of you say he's not a top 15 QB on this list. Right now, you can say that.

However, at the end of the year, IMHO you will all definitely be looking at a top 10, QB, and I personally believe he'll be a top 5 QB. Why?

1. If you look at the career arcs of the top QB's on this list, JC's arc favors greatly. Look at the #'s. Same or better than Sanchez, McCoy and Stafford.
2. He has perhaps the top receiving corps in the nation.
3. His TE could be one of the all-time greats when all is said and done.
4. His entire offensive line returns (hopefully a good thing LOL), but with a coach that from all indications is a huge upgrade.
5. That will favor the running game, which has been non-existent. His entire stable of RB's return, plus a new RB coach who will go Chris Brown on your ass if you fumble the ball.
6. He'll be a jr. in his 3rd straight year in the same offense, and anybody who knows football knows just how incredibly difficult it is to be a QB in a pro style offense if you don't master the playbook.
7. Look at "The Leap" Brady Quinn made from his soph year to his jr. year under CW.
8. When given time to throw, he has a better arm and throws a better ball than almost every single QB on that list. Add in all the factors from above, and you'll see a lights-out QB next year.

So yes, I can see why you guys don't put him on that list, yet. He has to earn it for the entire year. Personally I think it's crazy to say that guys like Juice Williams and Josh Freeman (take out his 3 games vs non D1 teams and he had 12 TD's to 9 Picks) are better QB's than JC, but like NDummy1988 said, I'm part of the 'Cali JC fan club'. (BTW Einstein, Crist and Montana are from CA too, so do you hate them too?)
 

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Sorry about the list not being very accurate as far as who will actually be playing college ball next year, I just copied it down real quick. I guess I thought he deserved to be on the list because I took this as a projection of how they are expected to play. I think that by the end of the year he will be a top 10 QB. Although he has not earned it yet, I took the list as a projection of future play not one of his past. I agree that based on past play though he should not be on the list.
 

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I think he is on track with how Brady Quinn's career was, after his soph year there were still questions. Quinn had a breakout year his Jr year, and I think Clausen is on track to do the same.

I think clausen's INT numbers are inflated, the sorry state of the oline has effected his numbers as well. I think clausen is better than his numbers make him out to be, but I'm not ready to put him there at the lvl that Quinn was his Jr year, yet.

Experience, better weapons, more refined offense, and hopefully better O-line play this year is all in Jimmy's favor this year. Its all lined up for him to bust out this year, he is even 'under the radar' on the national scene. I think Clausen is in an ideal spot to succeed.

I credit Weis for that.
 

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Maybe he is on track somewhere. I don't compare J to B. B is no longer an ND QB.

Clausen is a good quarterback.

I think it is up to CW to make them look good.

Teamwork.

jc is pretty good. eff the individual records.

win.
 
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I agree JC is not a top 15 QB! Respect has to be earned and as a QB respect is earned with wins!
 

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National champs.net has the top 15 qbs in cfb for 2009 as follows:

1.Tim Tebow-Fla
2. Sam Bradford-Oklahoma
3. Colt McCoy-Texas
4.Matt Stafford-Georgia
5. Max Hall-BYU
6.Todd Reesing-Kansas
7. Nate Davis-Ball State
8. Mark Sanchez-USC(Declared for draft)
9. Zac Robinson-Oklahoma St.
10. Case Keenum-Houston
11. Daryl Clark-Penn St
12. Juice Williams-Illinois
13. Colin Kaepernick-Nevada
14. Josh Freeman-Kansas St.
15. Dan LaFevour-Central Mich.


I just thought it was kind of hard to belive that JC isnt a top 15 QB. Your thoughts....

whoever made this list is retarded anyway.

1. Tim Tebow-Fla (system, still good)
2. Sam Bradford-Oklahoma (system, still good)
3. Colt McCoy-Texas
Matt Stafford-Georgia (draft)
4. Max Hall-BYU (system, just alright)
5. Todd Reesing-Kansas (more of a flash in the pan than jimmy could be if he tried)
Nate Davis-Ball State (draft)
Mark Sanchez-USC (draft)
6. Zac Robinson-Oklahoma St. (system, just alright)
7. Case Keenum-Houston (system, not very good)
8. Daryl Clark-Penn St (running back who can kind of throw)
9. Juice Williams-Illinois (running back who can kind of throw)
10. Colin Kaepernick-Nevada (running back who can kind of throw)
Josh Freeman-Kansas St. (draft)
11. Dan LaFevour-Central Mich. (running back who can kind of throw)

lets be honest here, what we mean by quarterback is someone who takes the snap and is a pass first, pass second, pass third, then scramble if they must kind of player. the only ones who were good at that left for the draft. the rest are either system or spread quarterbacks who couldnt complete a pass to something that wouldnt reroute to their horrible pass.

if you ask me, a quarterback is someone who will be drafted... as a quarterback. none of these guys who would go to the draft would, and the ones who wouldnt go to the draft are system qbs anyway. youre telling me jimmy doesnt belong somewhere on this list?
 

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Killer I agree with what you say and I also believe it will be a good motivational factor if he is not rated very high on any list until the season progresses. I can't think of another QB I would rather have right now.
 

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This is a pretty bad list (as everyone here knows, there are several flaws, including players who entered the draft ). For one, I personally think that Matt Grothe deserves to be on the list, over players like Reesing and Clark. I may be in the minority, but I also think that Jake Locker should be on the list. Great player, terrible team.
 

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Oh my goodness, you again? Are you really back on this argument so you can look foolish again? You said nothing 'similar' to what NDOM said. NDOM said he wouldn't be in his top 15, while you said Jimmy Clausen sucks for a 5 star QB. Instead of being agreed with, you heard.....crickets. Nobody agreed with you there, while most of the people on this thread agree with NDOM. HUGE difference in what you guys said. If you want to continue to look stupid, I can once again throw you the sophomore stats of the top 2 through 4 QB's on this chart and you can compare than to Jimmy's, and you can say that they all 'suck' too.

Anyways, back to the real point of the thread. 1st of all, as many pointed out, the list is a joke. Sanchez, Stafford, Freeman, Davis...I mean, please. Can we update it just a bit? Anyways, I can absolutely see why many of you say he's not a top 15 QB on this list. Right now, you can say that.

However, at the end of the year, IMHO you will all definitely be looking at a top 10, QB, and I personally believe he'll be a top 5 QB. Why?

1. If you look at the career arcs of the top QB's on this list, JC's arc favors greatly. Look at the #'s. Same or better than Sanchez, McCoy and Stafford.
2. He has perhaps the top receiving corps in the nation.
3. His TE could be one of the all-time greats when all is said and done.
4. His entire offensive line returns (hopefully a good thing LOL), but with a coach that from all indications is a huge upgrade.
5. That will favor the running game, which has been non-existent. His entire stable of RB's return, plus a new RB coach who will go Chris Brown on your ass if you fumble the ball.
6. He'll be a jr. in his 3rd straight year in the same offense, and anybody who knows football knows just how incredibly difficult it is to be a QB in a pro style offense if you don't master the playbook.
7. Look at "The Leap" Brady Quinn made from his soph year to his jr. year under CW.
8. When given time to throw, he has a better arm and throws a better ball than almost every single QB on that list. Add in all the factors from above, and you'll see a lights-out QB next year.

So yes, I can see why you guys don't put him on that list, yet. He has to earn it for the entire year. Personally I think it's crazy to say that guys like Juice Williams and Josh Freeman (take out his 3 games vs non D1 teams and he had 12 TD's to 9 Picks) are better QB's than JC, but like NDummy1988 said, I'm part of the 'Cali JC fan club'. (BTW Einstein, Crist and Montana are from CA too, so do you hate them too?)


man you have a lot of time...............number 7 is the best... i hope to god your "golden boy 3* recuit" can make the same jump BQ did his junior year... I'm not betting on it... You can't put JC and BQ in the same sentence....never.....WORD...
 

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man you have a lot of time...............number 7 is the best... i hope to god your "golden boy 3* recuit" can make the same jump BQ did his junior year... I'm not betting on it... You can't put JC and BQ in the same sentence....never.....WORD...

Nice comeback. Brilliant. To say that you can never put JC and Brady in the same sentence is shortsighted and stupid. Par for the course though for you. Sadly, you claim to be an ND fan, but I guarantee you that you want JC to fail. Nice.

BTW, here are the #'s from brady and JC's sophomore years:

Brady Quinn:
Completions: 191-353, yards = 2586, % = 54.1, TD/Picks = 17-10, sacks = 25, rating = 125.87

Jimmy:
Completions: 268-440; Yards = 3172, % = 60.9; TD/Picks 25-17; sacks = 21 QB rating =132.49

I'm not saying that JC is already great, but to say he can NEVER be is, again, shortsighted. JC beats Brady in almost every category, but you think they can NEVER be put in the same sentence, and basically mock anyone who thinks JC might be great someday. Nice. You're a real football genius, and truly a great ND fan...
 
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National champs.net has the top 15 qbs in cfb for 2009 as follows:

1.Tim Tebow-Fla
2. Sam Bradford-Oklahoma
3. Colt McCoy-Texas
4.Matt Stafford-Georgia
5. Max Hall-BYU
6.Todd Reesing-Kansas
7. Nate Davis-Ball State
8. Mark Sanchez-USC(Declared for draft)
9. Zac Robinson-Oklahoma St.
10. Case Keenum-Houston
11. Daryl Clark-Penn St
12. Juice Williams-Illinois
13. Colin Kaepernick-Nevada
14. Josh Freeman-Kansas St.
15. Dan LaFevour-Central Mich.


I just thought it was kind of hard to belive that JC isnt a top 15 QB. Your thoughts....


Who is Claussen? Maybe he plays for that Weiss guy and knows Darius Flemming. Sorry, these are the most chronically misspelled names on this site I think.
 

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whoever made this list is retarded anyway.

1. Tim Tebow-Fla (system, still good)
2. Sam Bradford-Oklahoma (system, still good)
3. Colt McCoy-Texas
Matt Stafford-Georgia (draft)
4. Max Hall-BYU (system, just alright)
5. Todd Reesing-Kansas (more of a flash in the pan than jimmy could be if he tried)
Nate Davis-Ball State (draft)
Mark Sanchez-USC (draft)
6. Zac Robinson-Oklahoma St. (system, just alright)
7. Case Keenum-Houston (system, not very good)
8. Daryl Clark-Penn St (running back who can kind of throw)
9. Juice Williams-Illinois (running back who can kind of throw)
10. Colin Kaepernick-Nevada (running back who can kind of throw)
Josh Freeman-Kansas St. (draft)
11. Dan LaFevour-Central Mich. (running back who can kind of throw)

lets be honest here, what we mean by quarterback is someone who takes the snap and is a pass first, pass second, pass third, then scramble if they must kind of player. the only ones who were good at that left for the draft. the rest are either system or spread quarterbacks who couldnt complete a pass to something that wouldnt reroute to their horrible pass.

if you ask me, a quarterback is someone who will be drafted... as a quarterback. none of these guys who would go to the draft would, and the ones who wouldnt go to the draft are system qbs anyway. youre telling me jimmy doesnt belong somewhere on this list?


Hate to break it to you guys, this List was made BEFORE the start of last season. Someone gave life to a previously dead thread.
 
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