College Football Playoff Invitational by ESPN

[InKellyWeTrust]

I guess I need to re-frame my perspective on the CFP committee's objective. Its not ranking teams, its ensuring a certain percentage of the monetary pie for each conference. 4/12 SEC, 4/12 Big 10, 1/12 ACC, 1/12 Big 12, 1/12 G6, 1/12 Other. Notre Dame is fighting for 1 available spot. If the committee can reasonably justify keeping ND out, they will make their job of ensuring those pieces of pie much easier.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I mean you’re welcome to feel however you want, but I think it’s silly to be worried about the first ranking show knowing how chaotic the first 2/3 of the season has been.

ND beats Miami and goes 11-1, we’re probably in and hosting a playoff game, they lose end up 10-2 and we’re most likely out and probably deserve that fate anyway

Hard to be mad at the consequences of our own program’s actions

if ND beats Miami and goes 11-1 "we're probably in and hosting a playoff game".... WTF, It would be the top win in the country, and a top record but you state "probably"? Do you not see how you are playing in to the collusion and corruption going on?

The way it should be if fair is if ND goes 10-2, we are probably out unless the SEC has a lot of 3 loss regular season teams. The SEC is going to have all but 1 or 2 teams with 3 or more regular season losses, I think the absolute max they can have if things play out perfectly is 3 teams with 2 or less losses regular season (very unlikely).

You talk about consequences to our own actions? What actions, winning 10 or 11 games? How many teams are going to get in that don't have 10 wins (i'm guessing 3). Why aren't they held accountable for their programs actions? There's a world where SEC gets 4, 9-3 teams in the CFP this year.

Now I agree that it would normally be silly to worry about the first playoff ranking, but the way the CFP committee set the first ranking up is to ensure the SEC gets 5 teams in the CFP when they most likely will only deserve 2 or 3. They did this because of the fact there isn't a group of really good sec teams that will go 11-1 or 10-2, they know most of the big name schools will have 3 losses in the regular season. $$$$ corruption

Should ND have beat BYU and be #1 and control their own destiny? Yes

But why is it ok that Alabama got smashed by Tennessee, or Kentucky got smashed by Alabama, or Georgia lost at home to an unranked team, or Indiana hasn't beaten a ranked team? Or texas lost to what should be an unranked florida team at home, and why Ole Miss got smashed by what should be an unranked florida team at home.

 

[Dale]

Quadrant style wins and losses really just reference back to whatever ranking system was used to put them into quadrants in the first place. Crazy idea...just use a composite of all the best analytics and polls to create the CFP rankings...

Wasn’t suggesting it was a better or revolutionary way to rank teams. Yes it’s just a way to sort/present already available information. But it’s at least moderately transparent and informs scheduling practices.

I would much rather be told ND is 1 - 1 in Quad 1 games and everyone above them (except Bama) has a better record than have 50 made up citations.

 

[Punky]

Obviously turning down the Mediocre Bowl last year didn't help this situation this year. ESPN remembers that lost potential revenue last year. A 10-2 Notre Dame team might not even get an invite to the Shit Bowl in Poughkeepsie this year, the TV asshats would just say we didn't think Notre Dame plays in bowls.

 

[Blazers46]

Obviously turning down the Mediocre Bowl last year didn't help this situation this year. ESPN remembers that lost potential revenue last year. A 10-2 Notre Dame team might not even get an invite to the Shit Bowl in Poughkeepsie this year, the TV asshats would just say we didn't think Notre Dame plays in bowls.

Everyone should turn down a non playoff bowl.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Quadrant style wins and losses really just reference back to whatever ranking system was used to put them into quadrants in the first place. Crazy idea...just use a composite of all the best analytics and polls to create the CFP rankings...

Someone smarter than me can take the reigns, but it's pretty easy to setup a model with AI to do just what you're claiming.

Because I wasn't entirely sure how to set it up, I had Grok, Gemini, and ChatGPT debate each other for what should be a proper model. Ideally it's a resume based model and not a predictive one. Again, I'm not sure the weighting of each statistical input, but bottom line, something can easily be done.

ND has been a Top 6 program this entire season based on the model my ChatGPT came up with. Unsurprising, it pretty much only lists Georgia and Kentucky as top SEC teams with Bama, Texas, and Ole Miss being bubble teams in the 10-12 spots. I think the gist is 95% computers and 5% human input. The human input is more of a guardrail to act as a self-audit. Whenever the model spits out a Top 25, it cross-references it with the human polls to flag outliers. Outliers are then reviewed to see if it's likely human bias or a analytics error that determined the variability. It's not perfect, but I dig it. Funny thing is that it's similar to the BCSKnowHow twitter account, which outside of the Top 4 in the CFP has some pretty eye catching rankings.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

A quad win style system I suggested they will move to next year.

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This explains some with debatable merit but it explains some. The massive outlier? Alabama

this graphic is wrong. it says we're 1-1 vs 16-30 teams.

 

[bkess8]

Not paying any attention to the ESPN/CFP hoopla. Win and we are in, this should be enough motivation for MFMF and the team. Take care of business starting Saturday night and come out ready to play!

 

[Dale]

this graphic is wrong. it says we're 1-1 vs 16-30 teams.

That is correct.

 

[slick7410]

Because of ESPN and the propaganda/collusion machine. No one will address the SEC deserving far less benefit of the doubt now.

In the last 3 years they are 3-7 in the playoffs (when not playing with themselves). Never sniffed a championship game.

With those 3 wins over *checks notes* 11 seed Tulane and 12 seed Clemson (their 4th loss) and Arizona State (2OT).

I've made all playoff shows never watch TV at home. Just assumed L vs. Miami and out. One way to leave no doubt.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Not paying any attention to the ESPN/CFP hoopla. Win and we are in, this should be enough motivation for MFMF and the team. Take care of business starting Saturday night and come out ready to play!

If you're a fan of college football, keeping your head in the sand is no way to live.

ND's ranking isn't just a win-and-get-in proposition. That 11 ranking is essentially saying, "even if you beat Miami, we aren't putting you in the Top 4 to get a bye."

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I don't give a fuck. Beat Miami. Onto the next. The people running this shit show are letting Pat MacAfee run their network. There isn't much you can do but win your games and hold your breath when cretin morons are in charge.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Because of ESPN and the propaganda/collusion machine. No one will address the SEC deserving far less benefit of the doubt now.

In the last 3 years they are 3-7 in the playoffs (when not playing with themselves). Never sniffed a championship game.

With those 3 wins over *checks notes* 11 seed Tulane and 12 seed Clemson (their 4th loss) and Arizona State (2OT).

I've made all playoff shows never watch TV at home. Just assumed L vs. Miami and out. One way to leave no doubt.

The bolded needs to be a bigger story, imo. And all of college football outside of the SEC needs to be pounding the table about it. What we're watching happen in real time is collusion to give that conference the best possible odds of:

1) getting in the playoffs ($)
2) winning a playoff game ($$)
3) winning a championship ($$$)

The SEC has proven to be a mid conference since NIL and transfer portal evened out the talent pools. And they hate it. But what they hate more is missing out on the money. ESPN and the SEC are in bed to circle jerk each other into mass profits.

 

[Dale]

We beat MSU when they were undefeated with their star RB and an entire defense still healthy. Please retroactively count it as a good win kind sir


Impossibly slippery slope to cite one injury and ignore the 1000 other injuries in college football.

 

[bkess8]

If you're a fan of college football, keeping your head in the sand is no way to live.

ND's ranking isn't just a win-and-get-in proposition. That 11 ranking is essentially saying, "even if you beat Miami, we aren't putting you in the Top 4 to get a bye."

If we win out we will be in the top 4.

 

[echowaker2.0]

And the signature win for Indiana is ?????

 

[BleedBlueGold]

If we win out we will be in the top 4.

Bookmark this post.

 

[NDPhilly]

I love how they just assume Kamario is a Heisman level star when he played 4 good games to start the year, including one against ULM.

 

[echowaker2.0]

What will Freeman’s cute mantra be this offseason if they lose on Saturday?

When will you acquire any sort of football knowledge above pedestrian level ?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

And the signature win for Indiana is ?????

Miami
Oh, wait...this year?

 

[echowaker2.0]

we can look forward to home playoff game when we win out because there's no way they're putting us in the top #4

I'd prefer that.

 

[echowaker2.0]

I looked it up. They have beaten 5 teams with a winning record.

How many Power 4 ?

 

[echowaker2.0]

Everyone thinks this is so if ND goes 10-2 they can keep them out, they were always going to keep them out at 10-2. This is so if they go 11-1 they don't get a bye.

Good. Byes suck.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

When will you acquire any sort of football knowledge above bedwetting?

FIFY

 

[NDPhilly]

Yeah give me a 5-12 home game against like Boise State whose power rated in the upper 30s next to Michigan, Auburn, Duke, Wisky instead of the 4 with a a month off. Really thought we’d be a sure thing to get a bye at 11-1 but now feels like 50/50.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Let's just see how the team responds. If they come out angry, aggressive and with a chip on their shoulder and beat Miami on Saturday, they are winning the National Championship. I believe that.

 

[GTB]

In the end our fate is in our hands
beat Miami and win out and that is all that matters

 

[JerseyIrishMan]

How many Power 4 ?

4

 

[Irish2155]

ND’s playoff run started last week vs Navy. Every game is a win or go home from that point forward.

 

[Dale]

IMO how the rankings process went:

- Start with conference leaders. Top 4 being conference leaders is unnecessarily rewarding at this stage. You do not need to have IU and Utah at the top just for appearance sakes of giving each P4 conference a bye.

- evaluate week 10 opportunities. Start Alabama high in case they lose, if they win, ranking is vindicated. If they lose, 3 loss Alabama is still alive. Start ND low in case they lose, if they lose they are out of the field barring chaos, if they win they move up. Tennessee is in the same boat as us. Texas is in the same boat as Alabama.

- backfill resumes. Need Oregon, Houston, South Carolina, Florida to all be ranked for resume purposes.

Once you do all of those things, there’s only a handful of slots to take care of. Every nerd is lamenting how they deviated from prior years. This was far more about addressing poll inertia and getting ahead of it to their liking than any side by side comparisons.