'27 IL DT Brayden Parks (Offer)

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What exactly is the update and from whom? I have no doubt Oregon is trending, but what is the nature of the update?
 
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IrishInOntario said:
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that many of the kids in recent years, regardless of where they are ranked, simply aren't good enough compared to the kids ND can find in places like New Jersey, Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia and California. Of course that's not true in all cases, but I simply haven't been overly impressed with the quality if talent coming out of that league in some time as it relates to it translating to the elite level of FBS.
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I agree with you.

A good number of the higher ranked kids coming out of the Catholic schools are also not Catholic and thus ND has not been as attractive an option as with the Catholic kids.
 
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Domina Nostra said:
Even then…

ND = people + education/network + faith
Miami = South Beach, not rust belt Inidana
Oregon = Nike inside track
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For sure and I agree with you. Pre-NIL ND sold the “people + education/network + faith” and it worked just okay… but NIL has sold kids on ND that weren’t looking for that necessarily. I think it’s naive to assume it’s “people + education/network + faith+Freeman” although it helps but NIL has pushed ND to recruiting higher than I ever thought it could post early 90’s.
 
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I mean, Carnell Tate was just drafted fourth overall.
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Of course. The argument is not that Illinois doesn't produce some top talent. Tate is a great example. JJ McCarthy QB'd Michigan to a recent title and was a 1st round pick. Rylie Mills was an excellent player at ND and just won a Superbowl. Cole Kmet was great for ND. Charles Jagusah would be on the verge of being a 1st Round pick in 2027 had it not been for a freak injury. Everyone is extremely excited about David Folorunsho in 2027 and both Darrieon Prescott and Cam McGee in 2028. TBD on guys like Trae Taylor and Isreal Adams among others.

I'm not for a second suggesting that Chicago, and Illinois in general shouldn't be part of ND's recruiting equation. It absolutely should be. Especially the very top guys in state such as Jagusah, Folorunsho, Prescott and McGee, Justin Scott, Carnell Tate, etc, who are as close to "no doubters" as it gets.

There are some in the fanbase, however, that think ND should be making a living in Illinois and taking numerous kids from the state each year simply because of it's location and ND's history of recruiting the state. I just don't see Ilinois as that type of talent producing machine anymore. Some cycles there are as few as 1-2 kids that I really think ND should prioritize. In other years that number might be 3-4 kids.
 
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IrishInOntario said:
Of course. The argument is not that Illinois doesn't produce some top talent. Tate is a great example. JJ McCarthy QB'd Michigan to a recent title and was a 1st round pick. Rylie Mills was an excellent player at ND and just won a Superbowl. Cole Kmet was great for ND. Charles Jagusah would be on the verge of being a 1st Round pick in 2027 had it not been for a freak injury. Everyone is extremely excited about David Folorunsho in 2027 and both Darrieon Prescott and Cam McGee in 2028. TBD on guys like Trae Taylor and Isreal Adams among others.

I'm not for a second suggesting that Chicago, and Illinois in general shouldn't be part of ND's recruiting equation. It absolutely should be. Especially the very top guys in state such as Jagusah, Folorunsho, Prescott and McGee, Justin Scott, Carnell Tate, etc, who are as close to "no doubters" as it gets.

There are some in the fanbase, however, that think ND should be making a living in Illinois and taking numerous kids from the state each year simply because of it's location and ND's history of recruiting the state. I just don't see Ilinois as that type of talent producing machine anymore. Some cycles there are as few as 1-2 kids that I really think ND should prioritize. In other years that number might be 3-4 kids.
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My read on it:

Parks is unique not having a visit till June 12th since the OSU one was cancelled. Oregon likely wants this over before that, thus they aggressively pushing for this to end sooner rather than later. If he gets to June 12th, gotta feel better about ND.

But the talk has been this could have been announced last week or soon, which would favor Oregon getting him to sign before it gets to OVs.

Oregon thus is the aggressor here currently. Which is interesting because talk was weeks ago that Parks was put off by ND trying to close this early.

Seems he’s genuinely unsure. Probably for the best he didn’t make a ND pressured decision weeks ago or Oregon pressured decision now.
 
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IrishInOntario said:
Of course. The argument is not that Illinois doesn't produce some top talent. Tate is a great example. JJ McCarthy QB'd Michigan to a recent title and was a 1st round pick. Rylie Mills was an excellent player at ND and just won a Superbowl. Cole Kmet was great for ND. Charles Jagusah would be on the verge of being a 1st Round pick in 2027 had it not been for a freak injury. Everyone is extremely excited about David Folorunsho in 2027 and both Darrieon Prescott and Cam McGee in 2028. TBD on guys like Trae Taylor and Isreal Adams among others.

I'm not for a second suggesting that Chicago, and Illinois in general shouldn't be part of ND's recruiting equation. It absolutely should be. Especially the very top guys in state such as Jagusah, Folorunsho, Prescott and McGee, Justin Scott, Carnell Tate, etc, who are as close to "no doubters" as it gets.

There are some in the fanbase, however, that think ND should be making a living in Illinois and taking numerous kids from the state each year simply because of it's location and ND's history of recruiting the state. I just don't see Ilinois as that type of talent producing machine anymore. Some cycles there are as few as 1-2 kids that I really think ND should prioritize. In other years that number might be 3-4 kids.
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Agree.........Recruiting has changed so much (especially in the last 2-3 years) since the days of locking up Chicago's best, that you can't use the past as any type of guidance.
 
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Dale said:
My read on it:

Parks is unique not having a visit till June 12th since the OSU one was cancelled. Oregon likely wants this over before that, thus they aggressively pushing for this to end sooner rather than later. If he gets to June 12th, gotta feel better about ND.

But the talk has been this could have been announced last week or soon, which would favor Oregon getting him to sign before it gets to OVs.

Oregon thus is the aggressor here currently. Which is interesting because talk was weeks ago that Parks was put off by ND trying to close this early.

Seems he’s genuinely unsure. Probably for the best he didn’t make a ND pressured decision weeks ago or Oregon pressured decision now.
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You can take it with a grain of salt, but the Elevenwarriors forum said that per one of their administrators/writers that Parks not visiting was dealing with NIL realities. Supposedly pOSU was talking with Parks in advance of the visit and Parks NIL ask was very high and way beyond what pOSU would be able to do.

Of course, this all makes sense when we are talking about Oregon throwing money around. It also could be a bunch of crap.
 
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Bantry19 said:
I mean, Carnell Tate was just drafted fourth overall.
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Tate was only at Marist for his FR and SO years. He played for IMG his junior and senior years of high school.

I get what you're saying, but Tate isn't an alum of Marist. He's a former student.
 
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Dale said:
My read on it:

Parks is unique not having a visit till June 12th since the OSU one was cancelled. Oregon likely wants this over before that, thus they aggressively pushing for this to end sooner rather than later. If he gets to June 12th, gotta feel better about ND.

But the talk has been this could have been announced last week or soon, which would favor Oregon getting him to sign before it gets to OVs.

Oregon thus is the aggressor here currently. Which is interesting because talk was weeks ago that Parks was put off by ND trying to close this early.

Seems he’s genuinely unsure. Probably for the best he didn’t make a ND pressured decision weeks ago or Oregon pressured decision now.
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Adding to this, I assume other schools are aware, and it’s a good reminder that ND landed every single prospect who took an OV last summer except that one TE scared off by Premer
 
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Part of me thinks that the relationships. connections, and proximity to ND end up winning out, but if you've been there 8 times, how is visit 9 really gonna be the key one.
 
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IRISHbluehen said:
Twice this spring, once for Jr day and for the spring game. Hopefully they lock him down this weekend, and he cancels his Oregon OV for next weekend.
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Locked on Irish tried to say they think it is good for him to go to Oregon to be sure he is all in. I am firmly in the "if he OVs there, it is a wrap. We have to lock him up this weekend" camp
 
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Locked on Irish tried to say they think it is good for him to go to Oregon to be sure he is all in. I am firmly in the "if he OVs there, it is a wrap. We have to lock him up this weekend" camp
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I actually agree with II here and it seems Freeman has done something similar in the past with other players, even CJ Carr. CJ Carr was adamant about committing to the Irish, but Freeman told him to visit other places so that he was absolutely sure. Regret is a major factor for HS players. If Parks doesn't visit now, will he want to visit in October or November?

Plus, it can mean so much to some kids that you do not pressure them on the spot like so many teams do. It shows that you care about them as more than just an elite talent. Will that method work for every player? No, but I like to think it works for most of the players that choose to come to Notre Dame.
 
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I actually agree with II here and it seems Freeman has done something similar in the past with other players, even CJ Carr. CJ Carr was adamant about committing to the Irish, but Freeman told him to visit other places so that he was absolutely sure. Regret is a major factor for HS players. If Parks doesn't visit now, will he want to visit in October or November?

Plus, it can mean so much to some kids that you do not pressure them on the spot like so many teams do. It shows that you care about them as more than just an elite talent. Will that method work for every player? No, but I like to think it works for most of the players that choose to come to Notre Dame.
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I agree to some extent but two things: 1. when does the prospect want to commit? Carr and others wanted to commit early. So take your time and go visit! But this is the new era and June is now when 90% of recruiting is wrapped up. 2. If he signs an NIL deal, that could say he can't visit Oregon.

But I do agree there is a human element to it
 
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notredomer23 said:
If this was pre 2024ish recruiting era you want him to take the visit.

In the current state, if you don't close this weekend, he's not coming here.
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In the spring, go take your visits. We let Spell do this and it backfired. But we have other success stories. But June is lock them in time so that you can pivot now and evaluate in the fall.
 
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Brayden - I’m a 3T like Folorunsho - Parks lookin a lot heftier than his counterpart
 
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IRISHbluehen said:
Part of me thinks that the relationships. connections, and proximity to ND end up winning out, but if you've been there 8 times, how is visit 9 really gonna be the key one.
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Only thing you can say is it's getting closer to decision time and he was patiently waiting to weigh all his options or maybe decide with this visit.
 
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