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Along with the questions in my prior post, what is everyone's thoughts on the Jaeger approach to building up arm strength? My son was called on to pitch and really developed an interest in it. I saw Jaeger suggests slowly increasing the distance by doing long toss and "stretching out the arm" for a few weeks before slowly working back in with intentionality, removing the arc and trying to put it on a rope.

My sons arm velocity is not upper tier and I'd like to play catch with him in a way that'll help strengthen and build it's ability to create power. I don't mind just going out and throwing back and forth but I like to incorporate things in a fun way so any suggestions on this would be very much appreciated. My son shouldn't be penalized for his dad's ineptitude!
Tom House has some interesting drills & even created an app to help w/ mechanics. We used it in the beta stage so not sure if it made it successfully to the market.

Velo is so overrated in youth ball. That’s not coming from me but from buddies of mine whose kids pitch on SEC squads. Focus on his lower buddy as well. Power is generated from legs. IMO, be concerned w/ your son understanding the importance of hitting spots. Walks are infuriating at any level when they start to pile up. In MLB, I heard a leadoff walk scores mores than 30% of the time. I’d rather give up a solo shot than a walk that gets driven in.
 

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My son’s HS team had a 6’5” kid w/ an early Arkansas offer. He played on some elite travel teams prior to HS but was basically a PO & wanted as much. Idiot HS coach immediateday started throwing him as a sophomore & playing him in RF b/c he had that offer so he felt he had to be great. He struck out almost every AB. On the mound, the poor kid was a head case. He did great in the summer but again…his role was a PO. DVH started ghosting him during his JR season, so he saw the writing on the wall & flipped his commitment to Meatchicken. Enrolled there but don’t think he ever dressed before transferring back home to a small D3 school.

Had another one w/ similar measurables a year ahead of my son. He had moved in from another part of the state so HS coach didn’t know him & ended up cutting him. Then he got an offer to pitch at Purdue & the coach begged him to come back out. Tool. Great kid but also heard nothing but negative feedback from HC so he typically got lit up on the mound. Until summer, when he was away from HS Coach and looked like a totally different pitcher. Don’t think he lasted at Purdue long & transferred to a smaller school as well.
Probably topped out at 84 too.

6’3” and above isn’t easy to hit if they stay on top of the ball. Most won’t.
 
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Here’s the app I was referring do designed by Tom House. It’s called Mustard

 

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Year two of youth rec league baseball for my son (now 7) has started. He along with a few others on his team are clearly above average in this particular dad-coach, dad-pitch league. So naturally, us parents have begun the dreaded conversations of "what's next?" One dad, who has an 11-year-old, told me that he along with some other parents have been starting their own leagues. It's local travel only and 100% family focused and budget conscientious. They're "somewhat competitive" in the tournaments, but the goal is development, fun, and not crushing families with endless travel commitments and financial burdens. Does anyone else have something similar? The jump from rec league to travel ball in the Indy area is crazy. I think people are starting to push back more and more.
 

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Year two of youth rec league baseball for my son (now 7) has started. He along with a few others on his team are clearly above average in this particular dad-coach, dad-pitch league. So naturally, us parents have begun the dreaded conversations of "what's next?" One dad, who has an 11-year-old, told me that he along with some other parents have been starting their own leagues. It's local travel only and 100% family focused and budget conscientious. They're "somewhat competitive" in the tournaments, but the goal is development, fun, and not crushing families with endless travel commitments and financial burdens. Does anyone else have something similar? The jump from rec league to travel ball in the Indy area is crazy. I think people are starting to push back more and more.
I would advise get together with a group and start young and have them play together growing up. It will only benefit them in the long run. 95% of your guys who get D1 offers are playing travel ball at a competitive level starting around 8U.
 

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7 or 8 is way to young to be going the travel ball route. I'd suggest you wait at least until age 10. Even that is kind of young.

Try finding a more competitive league and/or have him play up an age bracket to provide more of a challenge.
 

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I would advise get together with a group and start young and have them play together growing up. It will only benefit them in the long run. 95% of your guys who get D1 offers are playing travel ball at a competitive level starting around 8U.
This is complete bullshit
 

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7 or 8 is way to young to be going the travel ball route. I'd suggest you wait at least until age 10. Even that is kind of young.

Try finding a more competitive league and/or have him play up an age bracket to provide more of a challenge.

Yeah this dad who is trying to start this new league has an 11 yr old. So he would've been 10 when he started. This isn't something we'd do next year. Definitely want to milk the easy going Rec league longer. But you can already see a huge divide in skill between kids who are just naturally good at the sport and the ones who can barely walk and talk at the same time.

None of us seem enthused about full blown travel ball. I've heard horror stories about it. In fairness, have also heard great stories too. But I have two nephews who play ball. One is in college now (playing baseball) and the other is following in his footsteps with Midwest Canes as a 12 year old. That family eats, sleeps, and breathes baseball and my wife and I struggle to agree with that approach to life. It's obviously personal and some families would absolutely advocate for that lifestyle. We just choose to reject it (at least for as long as we possibly can). So it's like, in the meantime, what are we supposed to do? Where's the middle ground?

Edit: How easy is it to "play up in age" in these rec leagues?
 
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I would advise get together with a group and start young and have them play together growing up. It will only benefit them in the long run. 95% of your guys who get D1 offers are playing travel ball at a competitive level starting around 8U.

Would like to see stats that back up that statement. I'd likely agree with it if the qualifier changed from 8U to the high school 14U+. I know it's a pretty big percentage of kids who get D1 offers if they make an Indiana Bulls team as a high schooler (Indiana travel team). But I'm not sure about the other travel teams in the area or their respective age breakdowns.

And quite honestly, I think it's stupid to play a sport with the hopes of a D1 scholarship. Maybe that's privilege creeping out of me, but I'm also a realist. So pushing my son into a travel team at a young age that will completely derail our goals as a family on the basis of hoping for a D1 scholarship is basically a non-starter. Just my take on that topic.
 

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Would like to see stats that back up that statement. I'd likely agree with it if the qualifier changed from 8U to the high school 14U+. I know it's a pretty big percentage of kids who get D1 offers if they make an Indiana Bulls team as a high schooler (Indiana travel team). But I'm not sure about the other travel teams in the area or their respective age breakdowns.

And quite honestly, I think it's stupid to play a sport with the hopes of a D1 scholarship. Maybe that's privilege creeping out of me, but I'm also a realist.

I played D1 baseball, granted 11 years ago at this point, this was absolutely not the case for us growing up. It might be more prevalent now but that’s a high %.

I do think the idea of creating a local, community driven “travel” team is great. This will help your kid, along with the other more advanced ones, get the development and competitiveness they deserve. This is exactly what I envision doing for my son and my college teammates’ sons in the future who are all 4/5 right now. Not breaking the budget or traveling for 8 year olds, but teaching the game and playing kids similar in skill.

I will add my personal experience that it is so incredibly beneficial if the kids can play together for a long time and/or end up at the same high school.

My dad and my friends’ dads built our travel team that way and 8 of us went to the same high school. Back to back state Final Fours in high school with a lot of credit due to our parents for creating that team when we were 11.
 

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This is complete bullshit
Okay think what you want but I disagree. Maybe the 8U is a little extreme but you gotta play travel ball. If you aren't playing travel ball you aren't getting noticed. All the big time 4A and 3A schools around Northwest Indiana majority of their starters are playing travel ball. It's hard to make the team even if you aren't playing some type of travel ball.
 

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Okay think what you want but I disagree. Maybe the 8U is a little extreme but you gotta play travel ball. If you aren't playing travel ball you aren't getting noticed. All the big time 4A and 3A schools around Northwest Indiana majority of their starters are playing travel ball. It's hard to make the team even if you aren't playing some type of travel ball.

That's the political BS of it all and people are getting fed up with that. I know it's anecdotal, but I personally know a family who transferred schools their son's senior year because he chose not to play travel ball prior to his junior season and then got benched in favor of a kid who did play, despite the fact that statistically, my friend's son was better in every category. Parents and travel coaches intervened and essentially forced the school coach's hand. So my friend up and moved the entire family to a different district. It's pretty wild.
 

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Subject of interest for me.

My personal preference is a hybrid model. Do local house league b/c they all want to play with their friends. Supplement with dad coached tournament team that enters a few tournaments for spring (3 max).

We are drawing the tourney team from group of kids who did workouts together over the winter. We did 1x per week, A session and B session, January through March. We got a local facility run by a college coach to run the sessions. Cost was like $175 for 14 weeks.

We don't expect to win much at all but gives them the fun of "all star" team bonding while getting some real reps against very strong travel teams.

My 11 yr old also has at least 10 friends that do the real travel teams and love it. Just wasn't what my kid wanted at this age. Also, some of our best local kids play a ton of basketball and soccer so cannot fit travel so the hybrid works for those families too.

I think it's great that these paths are available and growing. I had little league, one all star game and some summer clinics at the local high school!
 

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This was our experience with our son who played ball in college and graduated last year. Certainly the travel ball/rec ball environments may have changed since he played.

Played Rec Ball through 9u playing up an age bracket for 7u through 9u
10u through 12u Travel Ball playing almost exclusively in tournaments within an hour and a half from home.
13u through 17u Travel Ball with a more competitive team, but certainly not top level. Expanded travel area somewhat but nothing beyond 3 hours.

Played almost exclusively with non-organizational teams as opposed to playing for teams such as the Bulls or the Canes. Playing for these small teams with a somewhat limited travel areas cut down on Team costs and travel costs. There was consistency in the coaches and players on the team since it wasn't made up of players trying to hop from team to team looking for playing time. Savings from paying lower Team fees and lower travel costs allowed us to spend a little more on individual training.

Being on the top couple of teams from the Bulls, Canes certainly can bring much more exposure. But if you get much below the top 2 or 3 teams from the Bulls (for example), you are simply providing profit to those organizations. Some families love to be able to say that they play for the Bulls, but in reality means very little when you are on one of their worse teams.

The highest priority should be joining a travel team where you know your kid will be developed and properly cared for. If your kid is a pitcher, pay special attention on how they protect (or don't protect) their pitchers arms during the tournaments. Countless kids are simply abused as they pitch 80+ pitches on a Thursday night and the coach brings him back on a Saturday for another 50 just so they can win a meaningless tournament. The structure of these tournaments is no friend to a pitcher.

While my son was a pretty good player, he was not a D1 type of player. If my son had shown that kind of talent at 14u, we would've likely made different choices. Conversely, sticking to tournaments that were within a 2-3 hour radius was a better fit for us since schools within that radius is where he was likely to land. We had one travel team trying to sell us on all these great National tournaments in Georgia and Florida in an effort to join there team for more "exposure". For our son, that was actually a negative. Traveling to Georgia for a national tournament was going to do nothing for our son.

Trying to balance development, time demands, financial demands is a difficult process. The good news is that there is not one "right answer" that fits every family situation. You have to do what you believe is best for your son and for your own family situation.
 

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This was our experience with our son who played ball in college and graduated last year. Certainly the travel ball/rec ball environments may have changed since he played.

Played Rec Ball through 9u playing up an age bracket for 7u through 9u
10u through 12u Travel Ball playing almost exclusively in tournaments within an hour and a half from home.
13u through 17u Travel Ball with a more competitive team, but certainly not top level. Expanded travel area somewhat but nothing beyond 3 hours.

Played almost exclusively with non-organizational teams as opposed to playing for teams such as the Bulls or the Canes. Playing for these small teams with a somewhat limited travel areas cut down on Team costs and travel costs. There was consistency in the coaches and players on the team since it wasn't made up of players trying to hop from team to team looking for playing time.

Being on the top couple of teams from the Bulls, Canes certainly can bring much more exposure. But if you get much below the top 2 or 3 teams from the Bulls (for example), you are simply providing profit to those organizations. Some families love to be able to say that they play for the Bulls, but in reality means very little when you are on one of their worse teams.

The highest priority should be joining a travel team where you know your kid will be developed and properly cared for. If your kid is a pitcher, pay special attention on how they protect (or don't protect) their pitchers arms during the tournaments. Countless kids are simply abused as they pitch 80+ pitches on a Thursday night and the coach brings him back on a Saturday for another 50 just so they can win a meaningless tournament. The structure of these tournaments is no friend to a pitcher.

While my son was a pretty good player, he was not a D1 type of player. If my son had shown that kind of talent at 14u, we would've likely made different choices. Conversely, sticking to tournaments that were within a 2-3 hour radius was a better fit for us since schools within that radius is where he was likely to land. We had one team trying to sell us on all these great National tournaments in Georgia and Florida in an effort to join there team for more "exposure". For our son, that was actually a negative. Traveling to Georgia for a national tournament was going to do nothing for our son.

Trying to balance development, time demands, financial demands is a difficult process. The good news is that there is not one "right answer" that fits every family situation. You have to do what you believe is best for your son and for your own family situation.

Thanks for this. Just going off my gut instinct, I'm likely to avoid the Bulls and Canes types at all costs. Mainly for the exact reason you mentioned in that most parents just want the notoriety. It's kind of disturbing to me how the parents act above all else. It's very off putting.

I'd never admit this to my extended family, but their oldest's obsession with the Cane and Bulls is how they landed with the Canes in the first place (he couldn't make a Bulls team from what I recall). To me, he was just an okay player. But he was dead set on playing for one of those teams. This opened the door for his younger brother to follow in those footsteps. Now we sit back and watch how they've spent thousands and thousands of dollars and all of their free time traveling around the country for meaningless baseball tournaments. I said once, "When you find yourself rooting for your son to lose a game just so you don't have to come back and play again later, that should be your sign to reconsider your choices." Birthdays, church, vacations, etc...it's all altered and centered around baseball. It's just a weird lifestyle choice to me. Some kids are good enough and dedicated enough to put in the time. If that turns out to be my son, I'll completely support him. But that's not most kids...even though their parents would all suggest otherwise.

Question: How do you find the "non-organizational teams?" The big advertisers around me are Bulls, Canes, Carmel Pups, Carmel Dads Club. How do I go about finding the teams who only travel locally, etc?
 

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If it helps - 6th, 7th, and 8th grade I played both school ball (Warren Township) and CYO ball for my dad (Our Lady of Lourdes). Got plenty of baseball in but just had to navigate when games fell on the same day.

High school summer ball I chose American legion (dad’s coached team) over the Bulls. It’s been a while since then but we received plenty of attention from D1 colleges.
 

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Thanks for this. Just going off my gut instinct, I'm likely to avoid the Bulls and Canes types at all costs. Mainly for the exact reason you mentioned in that most parents just want the notoriety. It's kind of disturbing to me how the parents act above all else. It's very off putting.

I'd never admit this to my extended family, but their oldest's obsession with the Cane and Bulls is how they landed with the Canes in the first place (he couldn't make a Bulls team from what I recall). To me, he was just an okay player. But he was dead set on playing for one of those teams. This opened the door for his younger brother to follow in those footsteps. Now we sit back and watch how they've spent thousands and thousands of dollars and all of their free time traveling around the country for meaningless baseball tournaments. I said once, "When you find yourself rooting for your son to lose a game just so you don't have to come back and play again later, that should be your sign to reconsider your choices." Birthdays, church, vacations, etc...it's all altered and centered around baseball. It's just a weird lifestyle choice to me. Some kids are good enough and dedicated enough to put in the time. If that turns out to be my son, I'll completely support him. But that's not most kids...even though their parents would all suggest otherwise.

Question: How do you find the "non-organizational teams?" The big advertisers around me are Bulls, Canes, Carmel Pups, Carmel Dads Club. How do I go about finding the teams who only travel locally, etc?
Some of them you will just become aware of as other people that you know (maybe from your rec league) either try to develop their own team or they somehow become aware of other teams.

It seems like in many cases the better players from your son's age group in rec league will sometimes be recruiting each other. "Hey, we are thinking about joining XYZ team and we'd love to have you join us."

There are websites like the link below that will show tryouts for travel teams that are upcoming. Obviously, this site is showing virtually nothing right now, but I would start checking the site in June for Travel Ball tryouts happening later in the summer for teams that would play the following summer. If you wait until July to start looking, you may miss some. If you wait until September, you will likely be too late for any tryouts except for teams that are desperate.

Indiana Baseball Tryouts 2026 | Youth & Travel Team Tryouts
 

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Got this nugget at a coaching clinic that still sticks with me: There are more elite teams than there are elite athletes.
I've been told that the elite of elite teams contain players that basically pay nothing.

So for example, I'm guessing nobody from the Bulls National team would pay anything. From a business model perspective, it makes sense, the success of the National team will increase their reputation and increase the demand for your product.

It still has to sting though knowing that a portion of your $4,000 payment is paying for Max Clark's team and travel costs.
 

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I've been told that the elite of elite teams contain players that basically pay nothing.

So for example, I'm guessing nobody from the Bulls National team would pay anything. From a business model perspective, it makes sense, the success of the National team will increase their reputation and increase the demand for your product.

It still has to sting though knowing that a portion of your $4,000 payment is paying for Max Clark's team and travel costs.
I’m pretty heavily involved on the officiating side of travel basketball and have gotten close with some program directors. They all use their lower level “money grab” teams to subsidize the cost of their elite HS teams. We’re talk upwards of $1500 (FW area) for relatively local play. It’s pretty gross.

I’m coaching “minor league” rec softball which will feed into 12u and 10u AllStar teams in May-July. All kids have to play in our league and all 5 tournaments are within an hour of my town (just west of FW). The goal is to keep them in our league, give them some competition, and allow them to continue to play together. They do the same thing on the boys’ side.
 

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One thing that hasn’t changed is parents (not all) are crazy when it comes to their kids & sports. Our local youth league was like a cult (still is) in that you had to make all-stars and then strive for the Little League &/or Cal Ripken World Series. They looked down on those who left for travel ball despite putting together a team that they figured would be their All-Star team and play weekend tourneys so they could gel & then dominate the local LL or Cal Ripken All Star tourneys.

U-trip can be whatever you make it. AA-Majors. My son‘s teams ran the gamut but he enjoyed AA the most. We made it a point to recruit parents…not kids. This was the 13-15 age range so if they were still playing organized ball, they were going to be serviceable so we wanted to avoid drama by recruiting good parents. It was the most fun the boys had & that went for the parents, too.

Regarding college ball, it’s nothing like when I was growing up. If a kid has any talent, they can find a JUCO/CC that will sign them. I live in a small state & today, every community college now has a baseball program. When my son was a JR in HS, there were a ton of seniors that never even got to play varsity. Most of them landed at a small college program regardless b/c most of them were pitchers & could showcase their talent in the summer via American Legion &/or showcase. Most only played a few years before realizing they better start looking toward their future b/c it wasn’t going to include playing baseball for a living…LOL
 

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We did travel ball from 11u on to senior year. My advice follows.

1. Don’t use travel ball to garnish offers etc. I’m a firm believer in iron sharpens iron. Use it as a tool to help your kid get better.

2. Don’t play for the big organizations. They will suck you dry financially and someone earlier was correct. A big part of your fee is going to the “real” elite team in that organization.

3. Once you hit 13u expect to travel. The bigger 60x90 fields are fewer and more travel is required.

4. If college ball is your goal, get individual lessons send videos and go through the recruiting hoopla.

5. I think your money is better spent attending the camps of the schools you might want to go to. These colleges look at measurables. Fb velo, curve velo and spin rate, one hop velo, 60’ time, swing speed and velo off the bat.

6. In all the tournaments we went to in the Midwest and south east, there was rarely actual scouts there. If they were there, they knew who they were coming to watch and watched and left. Maybe your kid got lucky and hit a 400’ homer while they were watching someone pitch.

7. You can have a great very smart baseball player. If he doesn’t have the measurables they are looking for, offers will be thin.

8. Also committing as a freshman or sophomore doesn’t mean much. I can’t tell you how many kids we played against and were like ah this kid is committed to Alabama or Tennessee and then they never make the roster and end up with all the other kids at a community colleges somewhere.
 

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We did travel ball from 11u on to senior year. My advice follows.

1. Don’t use travel ball to garnish offers etc. I’m a firm believer in iron sharpens iron. Use it as a tool to help your kid get better.

2. Don’t play for the big organizations. They will suck you dry financially and someone earlier was correct. A big part of your fee is going to the “real” elite team in that organization.

3. Once you hit 13u expect to travel. The bigger 60x90 fields are fewer and more travel is required.

4. If college ball is your goal, get individual lessons send videos and go through the recruiting hoopla.

5. I think your money is better spent attending the camps of the schools you might want to go to. These colleges look at measurables. Fb velo, curve velo and spin rate, one hop velo, 60’ time, swing speed and velo off the bat.


6. In all the tournaments we went to in the Midwest and south east, there was rarely actual scouts there. If they were there, they knew who they were coming to watch and watched and left. Maybe your kid got lucky and hit a 400’ homer while they were watching someone pitch.

7. You can have a great very smart baseball player. If he doesn’t have the measurables they are looking for, offers will be thin.

8. Also committing as a freshman or sophomore doesn’t mean much. I can’t tell you how many kids we played against and were like ah this kid is committed to Alabama or Tennessee and then they never make the roster and end up with all the other kids at a community colleges somewhere.
Agree with both of these points. I coached girls’ 11th grade travel basketball for a few years and basically ran my own team under the umbrella of Spiece/Indy Gym Rats. None of my girls projected to be D1 players. In talking with some local college coaches, they let me know they didn’t have the time or budget or manpower to heavily recruit. I chose tournaments to play in that were within the radius of the schools my girls were interested in and then had them each set up NCSA profiles and we added video from our tournament games to that site. Then we made sure they hit elite camps at all the programs they were considering. In two years, out of 17 girls we sent:

2 JUCO
4 D3
5 NAIA
1 D2
1 D1 (volleyball)
Some others had offers but chose not to play in college due to pursuing other interests.

It proved to be a pretty sound strategy, but if you really desire to play college athletics, especially at the lower levels, you have to meet the coaches where they’re at. NCSA was a super valuable tool in doing so.
 
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Edit: How easy is it to "play up in age" in these rec leagues?
I missed this question yesterday.

The answer is ---- it depends on the league. Many are willing to accommodate if they know your son has advanced skills for his age. They may even require the player to do a little tryout so that they can better assess if the player is skilled enough to "play up".

There are some leagues that will not allow it because they don't like to make "exceptions".

I'm sure most of these leagues know that if they don't allow an advanced player to "play up", they risk that player simply leaving their league for travel ball or to play in another local league that is their competition.

If you are thinking about playing up next year, I would start asking questions of the powers that be.

Even if they say no, it could work out to your advantage because it increases the odds that you can put together your own travel team because not only will you be frustrated, but there will be other families in the league that will be equally frustrated. That frustration can be a motivator.
 
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Some of them you will just become aware of as other people that you know (maybe from your rec league) either try to develop their own team or they somehow become aware of other teams.

It seems like in many cases the better players from your son's age group in rec league will sometimes be recruiting each other. "Hey, we are thinking about joining XYZ team and we'd love to have you join us."

There are websites like the link below that will show tryouts for travel teams that are upcoming. Obviously, this site is showing virtually nothing right now, but I would start checking the site in June for Travel Ball tryouts happening later in the summer for teams that would play the following summer. If you wait until July to start looking, you may miss some. If you wait until September, you will likely be too late for any tryouts except for teams that are desperate.

Indiana Baseball Tryouts 2026 | Youth & Travel Team Tryouts

So I clicked the link and I'm overwhelmed. How on earth do you figure out which teams to avoid? Which ones are the national teams with local franchises, etc? Some of them I already know about through friends and their own kids teams. But I don't know all of these. And knowing that you need to try out a year in advance is kind of overwhelming too.

I missed this question yesterday.

The answer is ---- it depends on the league. Many are willing to accommodate if they know your son has advanced skills for his age. They may even require the player to do a little tryout so that they can better assess if the player is skilled enough to "play up".

There are some leagues that will not allow it because they don't like to make "exceptions".

I'm sure most of these leagues know that if they don't allow an advanced player to "play up", they risk that player simply leaving their league for travel ball or to play in another local league that is their competition.

If you are thinking about playing up next year, I would start asking questions of the powers that be.

Even if they say no, it could work out to your advantage because it increases the odds that you can put together your own travel team because not only will you be frustrated, but there will be other families in the league that will be equally frustrated. That frustration can be a motivator.

No worries. Thanks!
 

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Much like anything, especially AAU basketball, there is no closing pandora's box when it comes to travel ball. Parents and travel teams have completely ruined Little League baseball. One can argue that LL was too slow to change and other issues, but gone are the days of truly playing ball in your town FOR your town at that age. Travel ball at 8 years old, going all over the state/region, spending too much money all in the name of playing with the best players around because... well because parents want to believe little Johnny is the next great star.

It's sad really that kids aren't playing pick up games together, tenni-ball in the park, enjoying that 12 year old all star year with dreams of Williamsport. My favorite memories of baseball involve walking to our LL field, playing with my friends, getting that all star jersey, and just having fun.
 

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So I clicked the link and I'm overwhelmed. How on earth do you figure out which teams to avoid? Which ones are the national teams with local franchises, etc? Some of them I already know about through friends and their own kids teams. But I don't know all of these. And knowing that you need to try out a year in advance is kind of overwhelming too.
Again, things may have changed a bit over the last few years, but here's my impressions of teams that have a presence in the Indy area

Top Level "National" teams
Indiana Bulls
Indiana Nitro
Canes
Indiana Mustangs

"National Teams" a notch below (many times are National/Regional brands trying to break into the Indiana Market)
Top Tier
Arsenal
Marucci Prospects
USA Prime
Rawlings Tigers

Established Indiana Organizations
Indiana Bandits
BAM - Baseball Academics Midwest
Indy Sharks
Indiana Primetime

Maybe others have other teams to add to the list.

There is nothing wrong with joining the National brands. I'm sure there are lots of people that have good experiences. The biggest drawback is the financial commitment is larger if you go that route. The positive is that there is some level of minimal "quality control" in those brand names. However, these National Brands have a primary goal of making money which includes covering the expenses of their National team as well as covering the salaries of the administrative staff.

There are a some pros and cons to joining a smaller organization or a travel ball team that is not part of any organization at all. One year we had a terrible experience when we joined a team that we thought would be a good experience. Instead the coach was a nightmare.

All you can really do is ask questions of the organization and coaches. Ask others that have gone through the process recently for their insights.
 
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Much like anything, especially AAU basketball, there is no closing pandora's box when it comes to travel ball. Parents and travel teams have completely ruined Little League baseball. One can argue that LL was too slow to change and other issues, but gone are the days of truly playing ball in your town FOR your town at that age. Travel ball at 8 years old, going all over the state/region, spending too much money all in the name of playing with the best players around because... well because parents want to believe little Johnny is the next great star.

It's sad really that kids aren't playing pick up games together, tenni-ball in the park, enjoying that 12 year old all star year with dreams of Williamsport. My favorite memories of baseball involve walking to our LL field, playing with my friends, getting that all star jersey, and just having fun.

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My town rec league was awesome growing up. And at the end of the season, we had an All-Star tournament where the best players got selected to be apart of that team and play against some other local AS teams. If you stood out in that AS tournament, you could get selected to take part in the bigger AS team tournament that took the best kids from all the AS teams to compete towards the LLWS.

Even with all of this, we still had plenty of time to be kids and one of my best baseball memories is the "Lob Ball" league we started. Age didn't matter. It was about getting all the kids in town together to play our version of Sandlot ball. We took it seriously and usually at the end of summer were able to break into enough teams to create a tournament. Zero parent input. Self-coached (by the older kids on each team). It was truly amazing.
 

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Again, things may have changed a bit over the last few years, but here's my impressions of teams that have a presence in the Indy area

Top Level "National" teams
Indiana Bulls
Indiana Nitro
Canes
Indiana Mustangs

"National Teams" a notch below (many times are National/Regional brands trying to break into the Indiana Market
Top Tier
Aresenal
Marucci Prospects
USA Prime
Rawlings Tigers

Established Indiana Organizations
Indiana Bandits
BAM - Baseball Academics Midwest
Indy Sharks
Indiana Primetime

Maybe others have other teams to add to the list.

There is nothing wrong with joining the National brands. I'm sure there are lots of people that have good experiences. The biggest drawback is the financial commitment is larger if you go that route. The positive is that there is some level of minimal "quality control" in those brand names. However, these National Brands have a primary goal of making money which includes covering the expenses of their National team as well as covering the salaries of the administrative staff.

There are a some pros and cons to joining a smaller organization or a travel ball team that is not part of any organization at all. One year we had a terrible experience when we joined a team that we thought would be a good experience. Instead the coach was a nightmare.

All you can really do is ask questions of the organization and coaches. Ask others that have gone through the process recently for their insights.

Thanks!

Bulls, Canes, Marucci, and 5 Star are the main teams I hear about.
 

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Thanks!

Bulls, Canes, Marucci, and 5 Star are the main teams I hear about.
I forgot about the Midwest Astros and I guess there is some kind of connection or affiliation to 5 Star now. Not sure where the Midwest Astros end and Five Star National starts.
 
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