Trump Presidency Round 2

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GATTACA! said:
Not even your average MAGA bootlicker either. This guy was a proud boy POS.

Can’t wait to hear the spin on this one.
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I think you’re seeing the old fashioned Jews control the world by the religious Right who think that this is some holy war. When you build everything into some religious affair the natural ending point is that Judaism is evil and Islam is evil.

The fucking tankies that can’t separate Israel from Judaism do this too. But thank god they’re so unelectable it’ll never be mainstream policy.
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
The European armed forces are overstretched? By what exactly???

The European vulnerabilities due to their reliance on imported energy is entirely of their own doing with their suicidal green energy cult. I pity what an impotent continent they have become and how much they realize they are serfs to America Russia and their invading "immigrants".
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NDVirginia19 said:
The fight against ISIS was manufactured by the Jews?
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I have a lot of issues with his reference to Israel drawing us into Iraq, which I think is factually incorrect and raises a big red flag, and him personally (he was, after all, a Trump appointee for a reason), but he is explicitly saying that Trump's actions against ISIS were good.
 
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IrishinSyria said:
I have a lot of issues with his reference to Israel drawing us into Iraq, which I think is factually incorrect and raises a big red flag, and him personally (he was, after all, a Trump appointee for a reason), but he is explicitly saying that Trump's actions against ISIS were good.
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Which is why what he’s saying is incoherent. His wife was killed during Trump’s first term by an ISIS suicide bomber I’m Syria. Is he okay with some instances of evil Jew magic tricking Trump into war but not others?
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
He said his wife was killed in a war manufactured by Israel. His wife was killed in Syria, as apart of operation Inherent Resolve, the operation to defeat ISIS.
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Read that as him talking about the ME situation going sideways and ultimately ISIS coming about due to false assurances by Netanyahu that Saddam Hussein posed an imminent threat in the same way Netanyahu says Iran poses an imminent threat.

In 2002, Netanyahu said to congress, “There is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking, is working, is advancing towards to the development of nuclear weapons." and......."If you take out Saddam's regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations."

We then proceeded to invade and demolish Iraq.

Isis didn't form until 2004 as a result of the annihilation of Iraq.

Kent also specifically says killing Qasam Solamani and defeating ISIS is the type of ME policy he agrees with. So don't see why it would be concluded he had a problem with that.
 
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TracyGraham said:
Read that as him talking about the ME situation going sideways and ultimately ISIS coming about due to false assurances by Netanyahu that Saddam Hussein posed an imminent threat in the same way Netanyahu says Iran poses an imminent threat.

In 2002, Netanyahu said to congress, “There is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking, is working, is advancing towards to the development of nuclear weapons." and......."If you take out Saddam's regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations."

We then proceeded to invade and demolish Iraq.

Isis didn't form until 2004 as a result of the annihilation of Iraq.

Kent also specifically says killing Qasam Solamani and defeating ISIS is the type of ME policy he agrees with. So don't see why it would be concluded he had a problem with that.
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> Kent has a problem with us being dragged into the war with Iran because he claims we are being misled and tricked by Israel

> Kent claims that his late Wife was killed in a war that we were misled and tricked by Israel into joining

> Kent's wife was killed by ISIS in Syria during OIR

If Kent was so in favor of Trump doing what he did against ISIS, why would he blame a combat loss of his wife while executing that mission as Israeli trickery?

EITHER
A) Kent believes that our mission to combat ISIS was due to Jewish black magic Trickery and he was just lying when he said he agreed with Trump's mission to defeat ISIS or
B) Kent is a dishonest hack and made a bullshit, incoherent statement to justify his quitting
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
???

> Kent has a problem with us being dragged into the war with Iran because he claims we are being misled and tricked by Israel

> Kent claims that his late Wife was killed in a war that we were misled and tricked by Israel into joining

> Kent's wife was killed by ISIS in Syria during OIR

If Kent was so in favor of Trump doing what he did against ISIS, why would he blame a combat loss of his wife while executing that mission as Israeli trickery?

EITHER
A) Kent believes that our mission to combat ISIS was due to Jewish black magic Trickery and he was just lying when he said he agreed with Trump's mission to defeat ISIS or
B) Kent is a dishonest hack and made a bullshit, incoherent statement to justify his quitting
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I think I see what you are saying, but that seems like an extreme take. So if someone claims going to Iraq was based on false premises, then all things, including ISIS, that spring out of the original invasion are also stemming from that initial false claim? I guess that can technically be argued but it seems like a bit of a reach.

We can disagree, but I'm just telling you how I read it.

In other words, just because ISIS came from an invasion that stemmed from false info, doesnt mean it isnt just to fight them.

I'm curious? Do you think going into Iraq was 100% the right move in hindsight?

If someone doesnt think invading Iraq was 100% justified, does that make them incoherent for wanting to snuff out violent factions that materialized as a result of our invasion?
To sum it up in really simple terms, I'm not sure why one cant think invading Iraq was not a great call but fighting ISIS is the right move.....

We destabilized the area in 2002 and then later presidents did what they could to reestablish order and keep it from further spiraling... Someone has to clean up the mess.

One can imagine the same pattern repeating.
Destabilize Iran due to false urgings that they are an imminent threat.Then spend years, people, and $$$$ to stabilize it to keep it from spiraling. If people fight to stabilize it in the future they are not automatically hypocrites just because the initial destabilization is based on falsehoods.
 
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TracyGraham said:
I think I see what you are saying, but that seems like an extreme take. So if someone claims going to Iraq was based on false premises, then all things, including ISIS, that spring out of the original invasion are also stemming from that initial false claim? I guess that can technically be argued but it seems like a bit of a reach.

We can disagree, but I'm just telling you how I read it.

In other words, just because ISIS came from an invasion that stemmed from false info, doesnt mean it isnt just to fight them.

I'm curious? Do you think going into Iraq was 100% the right move in hindsight?

If someone doesnt think invading Iraq was 100% justified, does that make them incoherent for wanting to snuff out violent factions that materialized as a result of our invasion?
To sum it up in really simple terms, I'm not sure why one cant think invading Iraq was not a great call but fighting ISIS is the right move.....

We destabilized the area in 2002 and then later presidents did what they could to reestablish order and keep it from further spiraling... Someone has to clean up the mess.

One can imagine the same pattern repeating.
Destabilize Iran due to false urgings that they are an imminent threat.Then spend years, people, and $$$$ to stabilize it to keep it from spiraling. If people fight to stabilize it in the future they are not automatically hypocrites just because the initial destabilization is based on falsehoods.
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I think it was righteous, to remove Saddam from power, but I think in hindsight a bit unwise. He was a dictator who was committing atrocities by gassing his own people and he lead an oppressive regime.

The counter factual we don’t have is how things would have turned out had we not enacted Debaathification. I honestly think we are mostly militarily out of Iraq by 2008 had we not done that.
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
I think it was righteous, to remove Saddam from power, but I think in hindsight a bit unwise. He was a dictator who was committing atrocities by gassing his own people and he lead an oppressive regime.

The counter factual we don’t have is how things would have turned out had we not enacted Debaathification. I honestly think we are mostly militarily out of Iraq by 2008 had we not done that.
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I was old enough in 2002 to realize things didnt add up. I argues with plenty of family and friends that it didnt make sense to conflate Saddam Hussein with Bin Laden and that he wasnt an imminent threat. However, I understood that everyone was worked up over 911. I was that one asshole that couldn't shut up and pretend everything wasnt as Bush said it was.
Now in 2026, the admin doesnt even try anymore. It's like we are going to war out of nowhere for something Iran did 40 years ago. Why didnt Reagan deal with them? Because the juice was not worth the squeeze. How does that make any sense? Why now? Why are we turning the ME into chaos again? Im not sure how someone born before ~1985 doesnt see the clear pattern. There is zero excuse for getting hoodwinked this time around.
Was Hussein a really bad guy? Sure, I dont think that is in doubt. Is Iran abad actor? Yes, of course. But you dont go around the world simply looking for bad actors and destroy their country while wasting large sums of US cash and potentially bringing our soldiers into harms way. If that was the case, why even bother trying to tie Saddam to Bin Laden or yellow cake or WMDs. If being a bad actor was all it took, we would just have gone in regardless.
It appears we are going to make a horrible mess and we will be cleaning it up for decades. How can you just sit back and say you trust in the president to get it done?
Trump certainly might have some super duper secret win plan, and I hope he does, but it is really odd to see people support this with zero hesitation given our last foray into the ME. If he pulls this off I will be the first to be thankful, but I just dont see how people can't be extremely skeptical about this.
And about the Israel thing, why would it not make sense to imagine the war was for them? Just like in Iraq, they dont need us to fix the country, just destroy it. Whether or not the Iraqis ended up grilling out, watching the super bowl, and pounding brewskis or bombed back to last century, didnt matter for Israel to achieve their goal. Same with Iran. They have already achieved a big part of their objective.
So when one ponders why we are in this war it is not some racist stretch to conclude it is because we are persuaded by Israel. Like every country does and should, they are looking out for their best interest.
I just wish Americans would try to look out for their interest for once. If it isnt the left doing kooky weird shit and espousing self hatred, it is the right that cant help piss away our $$$$ on conquest.
 
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TracyGraham said:
Why didnt Reagan deal with them?
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I mean he did destroy pretty much their entire Navy in one day before he left office.


And our three stated goals for this operation are to destroy their ballistic missile production, destroy their nuclear refinement operation, and destroy their ability to support terror troops beyond their borders. The regime change aspect of this war has mostly been from the Israeli side, with their actual strikes being the ones that killed the Ayatollah, their continued precision strikes on the Basij forces inside Iran, and their clandestine operations supporting the protestors and convincing Iranian police forces to stand down from supporting the regime.

Again, I’ve said it before, I am opposed to boots on the ground and will admit it on here if it happens that I think it is a bad idea. But so far we have been almost unbelievably successful at achieving our war aims with an incredibly low casualty count.
 
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