Trump Presidency Round 2

[TorontoGold]

You struck out. Sit down and shut up. You made a claim, I challenged you to back it up, and all you've done since is attempt to deflect and dodge and NOT back up your claim. You're a weak blowhard. Own it.

The delusion to think I'm the childish and weak one here is astounding. You have been yet again stuck in an embarrassing situation where you can't defend a position so you get all wound up and emotional. I'll leave the "doctor" stuff to give you the space to explain what you think that chart is showing.

Fresh slate for you!

 

[Bishop2b5]

The delusion to think I'm the childish and weak one here is astounding. You have been yet again stuck in an embarrassing situation where you can't defend a position so you get all wound up and emotional. I'll leave the "doctor" stuff to give you the space to explain what you think that chart is showing.

Fresh slate for you!

You're still dodging after three strikes. You made a claim and couldn't back it up. Three chances. Three failures. Weak blowhard. Either back it up or shut up babbling about other things.

 

[Bluto]

You got me. I'm just destroyed.

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Yeah sure.

Prove you’re a doctor.

You’re a self professed Bama fan whos fanbase is a bunch of dipshit losers that support cheating posting on a Notre Dame site supporting a complete fuckin dipshit loser president.

That’s some class A weirdo shit.

 

[TorontoGold]

You're still dodging after three strikes. You made a claim and couldn't back it up. Three chances. Three failures. Weak blowhard. Either back it up or shut up babbling about other things.

lol it's being proven every time you post. Keep digging the hole buddy. I'm wondering at this point if this is just an AI bot setup to parrot the same 5 or 6 lines and this meltdown is just the bot short circuiting.

"Alexa, ask the bot what year it is and if 2024 was when Biden or Trump was president"
"STOP DODGINGGGGGGGGGGG"

 

[Bishop2b5]

lol it's being proven every time you post. Keep digging the hole buddy. I'm wondering at this point if this is just an AI bot setup to parrot the same 5 or 6 lines and this meltdown is just the bot short circuiting.

"Alexa, ask the bot what year it is and if 2024 was when Biden or Trump was president"
"STOP DODGINGGGGGGGGGGG"

In other words, you can't back up your claim. What a surprise.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Yeah sure.

Prove you’re a doctor.

You’re a self professed Bama fan whos fanbase is a bunch of dipshit losers that support cheating posting on a Notre Dame site supporting a complete fuckin dipshit loser president.

That’s some class A weirdo shit.

 

[Bluto]

Cool.

Go cradle that pedo enabler Trumps balls on some SEC homer site.

You’re a fuckin weird dude, seriously.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Cool.

Go cradle that pedo enabler Trumps balls on some SEC homer site.

You’re a fuckin weird dude, seriously.

Just a devastating comeback from you. Glad to see you're not frustrated and mad.

 

[TracyGraham]

"Dangerous" "criminals"

It definitely isn't a great situation. But is it really so egregious? Imagine my mom snuck me into Japan as a baby. Would I be shocked if one day they kicked me out? I assume the opposite would be true. I assume we'd have been expecting them to kick us out immediately once they realized we were there illegally without a visa. How is that fair to people waiting in line the legal way? It is sad and terrible but is it the govt's fault or the mom's fault?
I feel that would be quite arrogant of my family to think we can basically squat in another country with zero repercussions.

 

[calvegas04]

Cool more tariffs against the American people because a friendly nation stations troops on their own territory

 

[drayer54]

WSJ did a bit on why Greenland matters for defense. https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/gr...3c339?st=5AS1hW&reflink=article_copyURL_share
The two dogleds Denmark has for defense are going to need improved.

 

[calvegas04]

WSJ did a bit on why Greenland matters for defense. https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/gr...3c339?st=5AS1hW&reflink=article_copyURL_share
The two dogleds Denmark has for defense are going to need improved.

Cool let's build bases there like we had before without having to annex the country

 

[calvegas04]

30% is maga

 

[GATTACA!]

It definitely isn't a great situation. But is it really so egregious? Imagine my mom snuck me into Japan as a baby. Would I be shocked if one day they kicked me out? I assume the opposite would be true. I assume we'd have been expecting them to kick us out immediately once they realized we were there illegally without a visa. How is that fair to people waiting in line the legal way? It is sad and terrible but is it the govt's fault or the mom's fault?
I feel that would be quite arrogant of my family to think we can basically squat in another country with zero repercussions.

Yes it is egregious. The kid has spent his entire life in America. He goes to school in America. He has a job and pays taxes in America. He contributes to our economy his community and has had no legal issues. He’s an American.

There’s this weird autistic like obsession with the letter of the law from MAGA on certain topics like immigration. You can’t look at the circumstances of a situation and just use common sense to realize what the reasonable conclusion to a situation like this is. Instead we’re deporting a kid from the only country he’s ever known as a punitive measure against his mother who made a decision decades ago that he had no control over.

Look at other laws like fraud and suddenly you can’t punish someone like Trump for those. Everyone does it!

 

[Sea Turtle]

30% is maga

We aren't going to militarily take over Greenland. We already have it, militarily. And Denmsrk WANTS us to build even more bases there like before for protection.

They just dont want to sell it. And the whole reason Trump wants to buy it is because the billionaires have been pushing for it since 2016. Gates included.

This whole thing is just stupid. Just make a deal to shore it up militarily and a joint US/Dane rights to rare earth mineral extraction.

We don't need the whole freaking island but let's not pretend that this is Denmark caring about the Inuit either and having moral high ground. Denmark has been sterilizing their women as recently as 2018 and has been very clever about keeping ownership of the Island. They and Europe want the island because they are just as greedy as us.

Having said all that. Denmark has been a very loyal ally to us and have bled in wars with us. Just make the proposed deals above. Naval base and Army bast to support the Air/Space base. Mineral mining rights.

 

[drayer54]

We aren't going to militarily take over Greenland. We already have it, militarily. And Denmsrk WANTS us to build even more bases there like before for protection.

They just dont want to sell it. And the whole reason Trump wants to buy it is because the billionaires have been pushing for it since 2016. Gates included.

This whole thing is just stupid. Just make a deal to shore it up militarily and a joint US/Dane rights to rare earth mineral extraction.

We don't need the whole freaking island but let's not pretend that this is Denmark caring about the Inuit either and having moral high ground. Denmark has been sterilizing their women as recently as 2018 and has been very clever about keeping ownership of the Island. They and Europe want the island because they are just as greedy as us.

Having said all that. Denmark has been a very loyal ally to us and have bled in wars with us. Just make the proposed deals above. Naval base and Army bast to support the Air/Space base. Mineral mining rights.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I want Greenland so the US can have unfettered access to the arctic militarily.

But the best case deal is that we tell Denmark and NATO that they are worthless militarily and need to let us do whatever the hell we want in their arctic wasteland and now have to deal with the people. I don't totally disagree with your position.

 

[calvegas04]

If we're some how able to purchase Greenland I bet we have multiple mining operations set up before any military bases. This is all about trumps buddies

 

[TracyGraham]

Yes it is egregious. The kid has spent his entire life in America. He goes to school in America. He has a job and pays taxes in America. He contributes to our economy his community and has had no legal issues. He’s an American.

There’s this weird autistic like obsession with the letter of the law from MAGA on certain topics like immigration. You can’t look at the circumstances of a situation and just use common sense to realize what the reasonable conclusion to a situation like this is. Instead we’re deporting a kid from the only country he’s ever known as a punitive measure against his mother who made a decision decades ago that he had no control over.

Look at other laws like fraud and suddenly you can’t punish someone like Trump for those. Everyone does it!

Im not sure why you assume I'm MAGA or only pick and choose the law. I'm far from perfect, but as an adult it is important for me to follow the law and it definitely pisses me off when others think it doesnt pertain to them. This goes for rich, poor, left, right, and everyone in between.
No matter what, everyone thought deportation was a good idea until it became politicized. It is a sad situation and I can't understand why his mom would do that to him, but I'm not sure why he gets to stay while plenty of people are waiting to do it the legal way.
Go ahead and sneak into Vietnam through the jungle or whatever country you choose without a visa and tell me you won't feel nonstop anxiety let alone go about raising a family for decades. If not you might be a psychopath. It would be an unthinkable move. It is completely disrespectful to any country and a slap in the face to people waiting in line. No one opposed this until Trump supported it.

 

[drayer54]

Im not sure why you assume I'm MAGA or only pick and choose the law.
No matter what, everyone thought deportation was a good idea until it became politicized. It is a sad situation and I can't understand why his mom would do that to him, but I'm not sure why he gets to stay while plenty of people are waiting to do it the legal way.
Go ahead and sneak into Vietnam through the jungle or whatever country you choose without a visa and tell me you won't feel nonstop anxiety let alone go about raising a family for decades. If not you might be a psychopath. It would be an unthinkable move. It is completely disrespectful to any country and a slap in the face to people waiting in line. No one opposed this until Trump supported it.

Democrats only serious policy values are whatever appeases trans people and reflexive opposition to Trump. They used to recognize that open borders and criminal illegals everywhere is bad. Now they want that gangraper from Ecuador to stay and the ICE agents to go.

 

[Sea Turtle]

If we're some how able to purchase Greenland I bet we have multiple mining operations set up before any military bases. This is all about trumps buddies

Some are his buddies. But many are not. I don't think Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates would be considered Trump buddies.

It's not really a Trump buddy thing as much as it is a Tech Billionaire thing.

 

[calvegas04]

Trump is doing more damage to NATO than putin could ever have dreamed of

 

[drayer54]

Trump is doing more damage to NATO than putin could ever have dreamed of

Trump is the only one who has pushed NATO to invest in spending for defense, other than Vladimir Putin. NATO is a worthless alliance if they are all focused on how to boom migration into their countries over how they are going to defend the alliance.

 

[calvegas04]

Trump is the only one who has pushed NATO to invest in spending for defense, other than Vladimir Putin. NATO is a worthless alliance if they are all focused on how to boom migration into their countries over how they are going to defend the alliance.

Seems NATO was good with supporting US with multiple invasions in the middle east

 

[GATTACA!]

Im not sure why you assume I'm MAGA or only pick and choose the law. I'm far from perfect, but as an adult it is important for me to follow the law and it definitely pisses me off when others think it doesnt pertain to them. This goes for rich, poor, left, right, and everyone in between.
No matter what, everyone thought deportation was a good idea until it became politicized. It is a sad situation and I can't understand why his mom would do that to him, but I'm not sure why he gets to stay while plenty of people are waiting to do it the legal way.
Go ahead and sneak into Vietnam through the jungle or whatever country you choose without a visa and tell me you won't feel nonstop anxiety let alone go about raising a family for decades. If not you might be a psychopath. It would be an unthinkable move. It is completely disrespectful to any country and a slap in the face to people waiting in line. No one opposed this until Trump supported it.

I’m not calling you MAGA. I was talking about the MAGA position on the issue.

Again this kid didn’t break the law. He had no authority in the decision. Why should he be punished 2 decades later? I see no material difference between a baby being brought here or a baby being born here days after the mother arrives. No shocker MAGA wants to strip away birthright citizenship too.

Who wins from this? Not the person waiting in line in Mexico. His deportation has no effect on their status. Not his employer. Not his college. Does he rent? Not his landlord. Not his friends and family losing a person they loved for no reason. The only people that win are those that get a sense of satisfaction from seeing someone punished for something that has zero effect on their lives.

 

[TorontoGold]

Im not sure why you assume I'm MAGA or only pick and choose the law. I'm far from perfect, but as an adult it is important for me to follow the law and it definitely pisses me off when others think it doesnt pertain to them. This goes for rich, poor, left, right, and everyone in between.
No matter what, everyone thought deportation was a good idea until it became politicized. It is a sad situation and I can't understand why his mom would do that to him, but I'm not sure why he gets to stay while plenty of people are waiting to do it the legal way.
Go ahead and sneak into Vietnam through the jungle or whatever country you choose without a visa and tell me you won't feel nonstop anxiety let alone go about raising a family for decades. If not you might be a psychopath. It would be an unthinkable move. It is completely disrespectful to any country and a slap in the face to people waiting in line. No one opposed this until Trump supported it.

This is untrue. Sure MSM didn’t identify it as an issue, but it was a point of contention for those on the Left. Pushed a lot of people away from Obama/Clinton types.

Is there any other stances you have that are pro-immigration for those that are waiting or is the central issue that illegal immigrants are what’s reducing the legal immigrants that you would like to see come to the US?

 

[NDVirginia19]

I’ve been in favor with a lot of Trump’s foreign policy decisions, even to include the discussion of looking to acquire Greenland, but very much so against doing so with force or via punitive tariffs on our allies

 

[calvegas04]

He is mentally unwell

 

[GATTACA!]

He is mentally unwell

That can't be real.

 

[GowerND11]

I mean, don't get me wrong. I want Greenland so the US can have unfettered access to the arctic militarily.

But the best case deal is that we tell Denmark and NATO that they are worthless militarily and need to let us do whatever the hell we want in their arctic wasteland and now have to deal with the people. I don't totally disagree with your position.

We're already allowed to do that in the Arctic WITHOUT the threat of taking Greenland from out NATO ally ffs...

 

[drayer54]

We're already allowed to do that in the Arctic WITHOUT the threat of taking Greenland from out NATO ally ffs...

The more valid criticism to me would be why are we so peace committed and friendly with Russia in other things like resolving Ukrainian conflict but the threat of China and Russia being so real we must pressure our allies to surrender a massive ice block right now. The back and forth on Russia at times incoherent to me.

However, it’s clear the EU/NATO dynamic is being pushed and I think by Vance who I believe finds the alliance to be rapidly losing value for us.