2025 College Football Playoffs

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If Bama jumps us, there's no longer a buffer between us and Miami, if/when BYU loses.
Committee makes up their own rules. If they want us in there, they’ll keep BYU between ND/Miami and not penalize them for a conf champ loss.

I do agree that the justification for ND>Miami is tough when the teams are right next to one another in the rankings.
 

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So Vegas knows Oklahoma won't fall behind ND tomorrow? Its not a rhetorical question i just genuinely don't know how they can know that unless they are in the committee room.
In short yes. You bet 100 for them to miss the playoffs and if you're right you win 1800. The Bellagio wasn't built on a bunch of gamblers winning.
 

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Really looking forward to the committee ignoring head to head and the other BS for a month only to tell us Sunday afternoon that we couldn't ignore the head to head
 

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In short yes. You bet 100 for them to miss the playoffs and if you're right you win 1800. The Bellagio wasn't built on a bunch of gamblers winning.
Does Vegas really get much action on these though? They seem a bit narrow in scope.
 

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Does Vegas really get much action on these though? They seem a bit narrow in scope.
I wouldn't bet a +1800 that's a donation.

To put that in perspective Charlotte at 1-11 was + 2000 to beat 10-2 Tulane as a 30-point dog.

Stanford was +2500 to beat ND outright.

That's how long the odds are of OU missing the playoffs.
 

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I wouldn't bet a +1800 that's a donation.

To put that in perspective Charlotte at 1-11 was + 2000 to beat 10-2 Tulane as a 30-point dog.

Stanford was +2500
But thats based on data, past performances predicting future success. This is based off decisions made by a handful of humans in a closed room.
 

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But thats based on data, past performances predicting future success. This is based off decisions made by a handful of humans in a closed room.
That is true, but odds are odds. If you're feeling lucky, a 1k bet wins you 18 grand. I just know it would take a marshall type plane situation with....I'm not even gonna say it...lol
 

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Those humans have to pick the most deserving and/or best teams to fill out a 12 team bracket with very little objective criteria. Except metrics, which pretty much universally agree ND is better than Oklahoma. Deserving? Best? How do we know what they'll do?
 

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I actually don't believe Vegas has any idea what this committee is going to do. There are certain things Vegas is good at predicting and some they arent.
 

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In short yes. You bet 100 for them to miss the playoffs and if you're right you win 1800. The Bellagio wasn't built on a bunch of gamblers winning.

Does Vegas really get much action on these though? They seem a bit narrow in scope.
Again, FD and BK are not "Vegas." The Westgate Superbook or The Bellagio's Sportsbook isn't a big player in CFB futures. As I believe Dale mentioned, the idea that "Vegas" stands to lose a ton of money on niche CFB futures betting and thus would never post odds without some sort of smoky backroom deal being worked out is laughable. Even on DK or FD this is probably not huge action. They probably make more money on random NFL game prop bets than they ever do on OU vs ND vs Alabama nerdy playoff odds bets.
 

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I actually don't believe Vegas has any idea what this committee is going to do. There are certain things Vegas is good at predicting and some they arent.
I see your point, I've just been a lifelong gambler and sniping a +1800 bet doesn't happen. But if you think somehow OU is left out, and you have some extra cash and you're a lucky dude...you'd be crazy not to bet it at those odds.
 

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Again, FD and BK are not "Vegas." The Westgate Superbook or The Bellagio's Sportsbook isn't a big player in CFB futures. As I believe Dale mentioned, the idea that "Vegas" stands to lose a ton of money on niche CFB futures betting and thus would never post odds without some sort of smoky backroom deal being worked out is laughable. Even on DK or FD this is probably not huge action. They probably make more money on random NFL game prop bets than they ever do on OU vs ND vs Alabama nerdy playoff odds bets.
I use "Vegas" as a broad term for big bookie or the house.
 

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Exactly. For one, while that account is useful it is a pro SEC account so they’re interpreting these odds through those lenses. I’m not saying their math or anything is wrong but at this stage it’s all an interpretation and even in their initial tweet they say “Vegas is guessing.”

Two, even if they do it (which would be bullshit but whatever), it really changes nothing for us, we need BYU to lose.
This would completely change things. It halves our chances of making the playoffs. We'd go from making it in with either BYU or Alabama losing to only making it in with a BYU loss.
 

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It's only a nightmare scenario if BYU gets shitty.
Which hasn't really changed nor will it even if we go to 10.

But it does add fuel to this:

If Bama jumps us, there's no longer a buffer between us and Miami, if/when BYU loses.
This ignores that last Tuesday they already stated they directly compared us and determined they felt we were the better team and Dinich stated there is no magic number for Miami to get to to suddenly activate the Head to Head Override Protocol. They're in our tier now and have already been evaluated and the head to head was taken into account and noted. And they were still 2 slots behind us.
 

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This would completely change things. It halves our chances of making the playoffs. We'd go from making it in with either BYU or Alabama losing to only making it in with a BYU loss.
True, but Kirby is like 1-8 vs Alabama, it was always a dicey proposition to rely on UGA to come through. Really, the B12 title game is where our fate lies and that hasn't changed.
 

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Again, FD and BK are not "Vegas." The Westgate Superbook or The Bellagio's Sportsbook isn't a big player in CFB futures. As I believe Dale mentioned, the idea that "Vegas" stands to lose a ton of money on niche CFB futures betting and thus would never post odds without some sort of smoky backroom deal being worked out is laughable. Even on DK or FD this is probably not huge action. They probably make more money on random NFL game prop bets than they ever do on OU vs ND vs Alabama nerdy playoff odds bets.
I feel games will always reign supreme, but who knows anymore. Google "Polymarkets" those prop bets are taking over big time.
 

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The game we need to go our way is heavily favored to go our way.

That’s what I’m leaning on right now..

I just don’t see BYU having enough firepower to keep it close..

So whatever.. as long as we’re at least #10 & Tech handles their business we’re good.

And that would potentially put us up against Ole Miss & then Indiana.. yes please
 

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This would be the committee asking for controversy. First of all ranking them in front of Notre Dame means that they would have to put them in after another loss or drop them behind us something they’ve shown they don’t like to do with conference championship game losers.

Secondly if they flip us and Alabama wins and BYU loses you’re going to catch shit either way you order ND and Miami because you no longer have a buffer between us.

This is completely nonsensical.
 

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The game we need to go our way is heavily favored to go our way.

That’s what I’m leaning on right now..

I just don’t see BYU having enough firepower to keep it close..

So whatever.. as long as we’re at least #10 & Tech handles their business we’re good.

And that would potentially put us up against Ole Miss & then Indiana.. yes please
Plus there is a war between the Momos/Crumbl Cookie and Penn St. over BYU's HC going on right now. Hopefully that has them good and distracted.
 

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This would be the committee asking for controversy. First of all ranking them in front of Notre Dame means that they would have to put them in after another loss or drop them behind us something they’ve shown they don’t like to do with conference championship game losers.

Secondly if they flip us and Alabama wins and BYU loses you’re going to catch shit either way you order ND and Miami because you no longer have a buffer between us.

This is completely nonsensical.
I'm not saying a flip absolutely won't happen, CFB is just a soap opera/beauty pageant for men so any number of nonsensical things can happen, but I agree that I just don't see the logic in swapping us. Especially since the committee has consistently loved us, spoken very highly of us, and has (correctly) ranked us ahead of Miami despite the Miami Crybaby Industrial Complex raging for weeks about it.

Either way, we'll see tomorrow for sure. Whatever happens, happens and we'll just have to hope for the best.
 

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“If the committee counts the loss” lmao. God, Texas fans are truly the worst. They’re making the Bama meltdown last year seem sane in comparison.
 

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The game we need to go our way is heavily favored to go our way.

That’s what I’m leaning on right now..

I just don’t see BYU having enough firepower to keep it close..

So whatever.. as long as we’re at least #10 & Tech handles their business we’re good.

And that would potentially put us up against Ole Miss & then Indiana.. yes please
This is what we hope for at the end of the day. Hosting a game is nice but the matchups and path is more important. Give me a coachless team, an unproven team, and then a potential SEC team.

We also know the committee is going to play loose with the seeding once it's finally time to decide so that matchups and tv ratings hit their numbers. No one wants to see rematches or two potential heavyweights early on without stacking the back end of the schedule
 

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Also worth noting Alabama was the first team out last year. As the most powerful conference’s biggest brand, it doesn’t NOT matter.
 

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Also worth noting Alabama was the first team out last year. As the most powerful conference’s biggest brand, it doesn’t NOT matter.
Yep.
On one hand, it’s fun to see Bama get screwed by different interpretations of the same playoff “rule” in two straight years.
On the other, it’s hard to imagine them doing Bama like that.
 

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Which hasn't really changed nor will it even if we go to 10.

But it does add fuel to this:


This ignores that last Tuesday they already stated they directly compared us and determined they felt we were the better team and Dinich stated there is no magic number for Miami to get to to suddenly activate the Head to Head Override Protocol. They're in our tier now and have already been evaluated and the head to head was taken into account and noted. And they were still 2 slots behind us.
All fair, but if Bama jumps us and BYU loses, there will no longer be a buffer between us and Miami. And I do hear you on the "they've already put us in the same tier" stuff. I just think it's a lot different when the rankings are back to back. It just would not make sense to then not use H2H.

Obviously hoping I'm wrong. Because it'll be a damn shame to not have a chance at the championship with this team because 1) CJ took forever (in fall camp) to convince Denbrock he's capable; 2) the defense throwing a fit that their coach left them before trusting the new coach; 3) the SEC refs cheated us
 
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