Notre Dame Lacrosse Open thread

[Pete]

i'm guessing they lost then, was busy most of day and didn't get to watch

Won 10-8, but we’re down 6-1 early.

 

[laughingirish92]

Won 10-8, but we’re down 6-1 early.

thanks for the score

 

[Steds83]

Had the pleasure of going to the game today- truly wonderful crowd atmosphere with some great sun. The hot and cold nature of this team has been thoroughly discussed at this point- hopefully we have an opportunity to put together a complete game next week in the ACC Tournament. It was nice getting McLane back to his catch and shoot role that he really excelled at last year. Hope Matty Jeffrey is ok. Penn played the whole game *extremely* physically- and to my mind, a little dirty. People were not thrilled with the refs or the Penn sideline for most of the game.

 

[stpeteirish]

Syr getting blown out at home by UNC so we will play Syr in the ACCT (tiebreakers!).
Happy for a rematch

 

[irishrb]

Syr getting blown out at home by UNC so we will play Syr in the ACCT (tiebreakers!).
Happy for a rematch

Honestly, I'm not crazy about the rematch. Everytime I watch Cuse they are one of the most physical/dirty teams I see. This will be a bigger game for cuse than it will be ND. ND hasn't shown they can match up with physical teams...They better come ready with their big boy pants on.

 

[irishrb]

You can't be serious about that second to last sentence can you?

I should have probably rephrased it...Two things that have made ND look vulnerable.....Be physical and take it to them, or suck the life out of the clock and get them out of rhythm....The last time they played cuse, cuse came out with a plan to be incredibly physical, especially with Taylor, and it absolutely rattled them.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I should have probably rephrased it...Two things that have made ND look vulnerable.....Be physical and take it to them, or suck the life out of the clock and get them out of rhythm....The last time they played cuse, cuse came out with a plan to be incredibly physical, especially with Taylor, and it absolutely rattled them.

My bad dude, I definitely forgot I was in the lacrosse the thread, please ignore me 😂

I went from the Angeli thread to this one and got Syracuse football vs lacrosse confused

 

[IrishLax]

Syracuse on a 3 game losing streak with an RPI of 11 has a lot more to play for.

Without a crazy amount of bid thieving ND should be a lock given the wins over Duke and UNC, and an RPI of 6. If Rutgers wins the Big Ten and Yale wins the Ivy things could get weird, but even then the loser of UNC and Duke should be behind ND when the dust settles. It’s hard to find 8 teams to slot over ND as at larges.

 

[NDMJ1984]

Honestly, I'm not crazy about the rematch. Everytime I watch Cuse they are one of the most physical/dirty teams I see. This will be a bigger game for cuse than it will be ND. ND hasn't shown they can match up with physical teams...They better come ready with their big boy pants on.

Syracuse struggles outside the dome/on grass (which is why they avoid it like the plague, only 4 away games out of 14 played). I do worry about English and Leo being able to run right by any SSDM not named Ramsey, but otherwise I think they clean up the close defense issues they had last time and win comfortably. Need Will Lynch to bring it as well, had his worst game in probably 2 years last time.

If I were Corrigan, I'd try to throw Cuse off to start the game and move Jake Taylor off the crease. Cuse's gameplan will be to not slide or slide adjacent and beat him up again, and they will have no idea what to do if he wanders out to one of the wings.

 

[stpeteirish]

Syracuse struggles outside the dome/on grass (which is why they avoid it like the plague, only 4 away games out of 14 played). I do worry about English and Leo being able to run right by any SSDM not named Ramsey, but otherwise I think they clean up the close defense issues they had last time and win comfortably. Need Will Lynch to bring it as well, had his worst game in probably 2 years last time.

If I were Corrigan, I'd try to throw Cuse off to start the game and move Jake Taylor off the crease. Cuse's gameplan will be to not slide or slide adjacent and beat him up again, and they will have no idea what to do if he wanders out to one of the wings.

Can Taylor even play wing? He never seems to be there.
Corrigan would know. I’m just not seeing him anywhere but right in front of the goal and he really has been neutralized in recent weeks so we probably need to change something. More production from our midfield would make them pay for packing it in. Faison in particular.

 

[IrishLax]

Can Taylor even play wing? He never seems to be there.
Corrigan would know. I’m just not seeing him anywhere but right in front of the goal and he really has been neutralized in recent weeks so we probably need to change something. More production from our midfield would make them pay for packing it in. Faison in particular.

This entire year the issue has been that they miss Pat who could always beat or threaten his man off the dribble. They also miss having Dobson as a lefty to balance the offense (the stretch shooting and fact that he was borderline impossible to guard with a shorty was also nice).

 

[fightingirish26]

Cuse owns Will Lynch this season

 

[Steds83]

If we can win literally any faceoffs we should be fine today- I cannot understand why Lynch gets absolutely punked by Mullen.

 

[laughingirish92]

8-6 cuse at the half

 

[stpeteirish]

Lynch can’t win a face off and Hagstrom is having trouble keeping on his feet. Ends up on the ground every time

 

[Steds83]

0/4 on EMOs in a game like this will lose you the game everytime…

 

[NDVirginia19]

that’s just not the shot you want to take two men up…

 

[laughingirish92]

just don't know how they win this game

 

[irishrb]

Cuse definitely owned ND this season. They dominated face, played physical lacrosse, and just took it to them. Will be interesting to see where ND lands come tourney time. I'm guessing they go unseeded and have to play at Ohio State first game. Gonna be a long, tough road to get that three-peat.

 

[IrishLax]

0/4 on EMOs in a game like this will lose you the game everytime…

It's been terrible all year. Square pegs in round holes.

 

[stpeteirish]

If they go by RPI there's little chance we fall out of the top eight which means a first round home game. We were #6 going in to this week and #4,7,8,and 11 also lost in their conference semis so who would pass us? Maybe the winner of Duke#9/Syr#12 but that's about it. And Army, who has a weak resume and could drop below us, Colgate is a pretty bad loss. 6,7 or 8 should be where we end up.
First round opponents likely are Army, Penn St,Harvard and Richmond. I doubt if they'd put another ACC team there.

 

[NDMJ1984]

If they go by RPI there's little chance we fall out of the top eight which means a first round home game. We were #6 going in to this week and #4,7,8,and 11 also lost in their conference semis so who would pass us? Maybe the winner of Duke#9/Syr#12 but that's about it. And Army, who has a weak resume and could drop below us, Colgate is a pretty bad loss. 6,7 or 8 should be where we end up.
First round opponents likely are Army, Penn St,Harvard and Richmond. I doubt if they'd put another ACC team there.

Current RPI is 10. Might goose up to 9 if Georgetown and Duke win, but that’s about it. They’re almost certain to play the first round at Ohio State. Army is almost certainly out.

 

[IrishLax]

The mocks I've seen that have ND heading to Ohio State and then having PSU, etc. as the other seeded team in their pod would actually be a dream. Preferrable to being the #8 seed and playing Cornell in quarterfinals.

 

[irishrb]

The mocks I've seen that have ND heading to Ohio State and then having PSU, etc. as the other seeded team in their pod would actually be a dream. Preferrable to being the #8 seed and playing Cornell in quarterfinals.

Agreed 100% It will be interesting to see if Maryland and Cornell win their conference title games, who they give the one seed to. Maryland currently has the #1 RPI and # 1 SOS.
Either way, I just don't have a whole lot of confidence in ND. I just haven't seen much progress at all from them....individually, or collectively. The only person that I feel like I have seen great strides from is Jeffery...and who knows what his status is.

 

[IrishLax]

Agreed 100% It will be interesting to see if Maryland and Cornell win their conference title games, who they give the one seed to. Maryland currently has the #1 RPI and # 1 SOS.
Either way, I just don't have a whole lot of confidence in ND. I just haven't seen much progress at all from them....individually, or collectively. The only person that I feel like I have seen great strides from is Jeffery...and who knows what his status is.

Yeah good point. In general, I think the brackets to avoid this year are the #1 and #2 seeded ones. You want to be in the #3/#6 and #4/#5 if at all possible. The best teams are all of the ACC teams and Cornell. You want to play as many Big Ten teams as possible.

 

[stpeteirish]

If they go by RPI there's little chance we fall out of the top eight which means a first round home game. We were #6 going in to this week and #4,7,8,and 11 also lost in their conference semis so who would pass us? Maybe the winner of Duke#9/Syr#12 but that's about it. And Army, who has a weak resume and could drop below us, Colgate is a pretty bad loss. 6,7 or 8 should be where we end up.
First round opponents likely are Army, Penn St,Harvard and Richmond. I doubt if they'd put another ACC team there.

Oops I was using the inside lacrosse rankings not RPI. Big difference. Richmond and North Carolina ahead of us?

 

[NDMJ1984]

Oops I was using the inside lacrosse rankings not RPI. Big difference. Richmond and North Carolina ahead of us?

Yeah the math on Richmond is odd to me. Only good wins are UVA and Gtown. Must be the combination of a large number of decent wins, and all losses to top 5 teams. My guess is Richmond and UNC play in what is a defacto 8/9 game.

Now I’m curious where we go. I thought OSU for certain, but they probably get a 4 or 5 seed now, and as much as the committee claims they don’t seed 9-14, would they really “reward” the BIG 10 champ with a first round game against ND?

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah the math on Richmond is odd to me. Only good wins are UVA and Gtown. Must be the combination of a large number of decent wins, and all losses to top 5 teams. My guess is Richmond and UNC play in what is a defacto 8/9 game.

Now I’m curious where we go. I thought OSU for certain, but they probably get a 4 or 5 seed now, and as much as the committee claims they don’t seed 9-14, would they really “reward” the BIG 10 champ with a first round game against ND?

I could realistically see Ohio State being as high as #3 in the seeding in which case we wouldn't go there. If they are as low as #5, I think ND still gets sent there. Beating Maryland really complicates things because if you compare their resumes head-to-head they are incredibly similar.

Where you seed the ACC champ, the three Big Ten schools, and Princeton is anyone's guess but right now on paper it looks like #1 Cornell + #2 through #6 some version of those aforementioned schools + #7 through #9 the other ACC schools. And they would try to send that unseeded #9 team to somewhere other than another ACC school in the first round.

Going strictly off of travel you would try to send Notre Dame to Ohio State, Harvard to Syracuse, Richmond/Georgetown to Duke/UNC in some combination. Wildcard would be dropping Penn State below Ohio State and sending Notre Dame there instead.

 

[NDMJ1984]

I could realistically see Ohio State being as high as #3 in the seeding in which case we wouldn't go there. If they are as low as #5, I think ND still gets sent there. Beating Maryland really complicates things because if you compare their resumes head-to-head they are incredibly similar.

Where you seed the ACC champ, the three Big Ten schools, and Princeton is anyone's guess but right now on paper it looks like #1 Cornell + #2 through #6 some version of those aforementioned schools + #7 through #9 the other ACC schools. And they would try to send that unseeded #9 team to somewhere other than another ACC school in the first round.

Going strictly off of travel you would try to send Notre Dame to Ohio State, Harvard to Syracuse, Richmond/Georgetown to Duke/UNC in some combination. Wildcard would be dropping Penn State below Ohio State and sending Notre Dame there instead.

Looks like we stayed at 10 in the final RPI. Ohio State dropped to 6, so I’m back to thinking we go there.

 

[irishrb]

Final RPI:

1. Cornell

• 0.6780

2. Maryland

• 0.6778

3. Princeton

• 0.6655

4 Penn State

• 0.6492

5. Ohio State

• 0.6431

6. Syracuse

• 0.6397

7. Duke

• 0.6304

8. Richmond

• 0.6294

9. North Carolina

• 0.6250

10. Notre Dame

• 0.6220

It wouldn't surprise me to see ND hosting at 7 or 8. I'm guessing OSU gets the 4 seed...and much deserved over psu. PSU has the big Cornell win, but not much else. 7-10 RPI's are pretty close. ND beat Duke easily at home, beat UNC easily on the road, and their strength of schedule is much harder than Richmonds.
I think it should be...1. Cornell 2. Maryland 3. Princeton 4. OSU 5. Cuse 6. PSU 7. ND 8 Duke