Foreign Policy

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[NDVirginia19]

If the administration says it was not classified (and they are the OCA and thus the authoritative source on what is and what is not classified), then why should we believe Goldberg (who has a history of lying, making up anonymous sources, and obfuscating the truth in his reporting on the Trump administration) when he's refusing to publish the entire thread?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

If the administration says it was not classified

They are lying.

when he's refusing to publish the entire thread

Why isn't the administration then?

Would be pretty easy to prove Goldberg is a liar.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

when he's refusing to publish the entire thread?

Oh and FWIW, he had the head of the CIA and head of the FBI today not commit to saying he would be immune from charges if he did so.

So maybe ask your fellow brown shirts why they haven't just released the entire thread yet or won't agree to give him immunity if he releases the thread?

 

[NDVirginia19]

They are lying.


Why isn't the administration then?

Would be pretty easy to prove Goldberg is a liar.

For the same reason that we don't have 24/7 access to internal decision making and discussions within any administration. Just because it isn't classified doesn't mean you would want to air out disagreements

 

[GATTACA!]

If the administration says it was not classified (and they are the OCA and thus the authoritative source on what is and what is not classified), then why should we believe Goldberg (who has a history of lying, making up anonymous sources, and obfuscating the truth in his reporting on the Trump administration) when he's refusing to publish the entire thread?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

For the same reason that we don't have 24/7 access to internal decision making and discussions

Would seem like a pretty good time to offer to do that. He already aired out a lot of the disagreements. What sounds like is being held back is actual military intelligence and plans. So your explanation is incorrect based on what we currently know.

Oh and FWIW, he had the head of the CIA and head of the FBI today not commit to saying he would be immune from charges if he did so.

So maybe ask your fellow brown shirts why they haven't just released the entire thread yet or won't agree to give him immunity if he releases the thread?

Keep licking those boots though.

 

[GATTACA!]

For the same reason that we don't have 24/7 access to internal decision making and discussions within any administration. Just because it isn't classified doesn't mean you would want to air out disagreements

There’s a difference between airing it to the public and being unwilling to even share it with Congress.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[NDVirginia19]

Jeff has no fucking way of knowing whether the CIA representative that the Director put into the chat was "under Cover". He has no clue what he's talking about

 

[NDVirginia19]

There’s a difference between airing it to the public and being unwilling to even share it with Congress.

Did the committee submit any formal request to have it submitted to the committee? I honestly am not tracking any formal request, or if it was just Warner putting them on the spot to produce then and there

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Jeff has no fucking way of knowing whether the CIA representative that the Director put into the chat was "under Cover". He has no clue what he's talking about

Cool.

So maybe ask your fellow brown shirts why they haven't just released the entire thread yet or won't agree to give him immunity if he releases the thread?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Did the committee submit any formal request to have it submitted to the committee?

Ossoff said they'd be getting a transcript.

But if nothing is classified, why the need for the formal request? Just immunize Goldberg from any legal consequences and tell him to release it all. Call his bluff.

 

[calvegas04]

Glad to know our national security is as secure as my fantasy football chat

 

[Irish#1]

There’s a difference between airing it to the public and being unwilling to even share it with Congress.

Congressmen can't keep their mouths shut.

 

[Irish#1]

Glad to know our national security is as secure as my fantasy football chat

Now this is funny.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Ossoff said they'd be getting a transcript.

But if nothing is classified, why the need for the formal request? Just immunize Goldberg from any legal consequences and tell him to release it all. Call his bluff.

I ask this honestly, as someone who doesn't use Signal.

Has Goldberg said that he saved a copy of the entire conversation in question, because if he is no longer in the group how could he get access to them again?
Obviously, if it is indeed classified information, and he doesn't have clearance how is that even legal for him to acknowledge he saved everything in screenshots on an unsecure cell phone?

We have seen the screenshots that he has shared...but if the entire idea is the app destroys messages after a set time (from everything I've read seconds to four weeks max), and this conversation happened over a week ago, unless Goldberg saved the entire conversation in screenshots how will we get a copy of the transcript?

This administration could slow play any discovery of evidence and allow for these messages to be deleted forever.
I guess it is possible that signal saves everything to an internal server that Ossoff or a goverment official could deem as evidence an seize in some format to get the entire conversation.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Has Goldberg said that he saved a copy of the entire conversation in question, because if he is no longer in the group how could he get access to them again?

I don't believe he stated directly that he does. I haven't seen every word he has said on every interview....but he has strong implied that he has copies of it at all. There is no indication from anything he has said that he doesn't have copies/transcripts of the entire thing.

unless Goldberg saved the entire conversation in screenshots how will we get a copy of the transcript?

From either Goldberg or the actual records in one of the parties phones.

 

[ozzman]

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The reason this happened is because Jeff is retired

 

[CTIDANDREW]

I don't believe he stated directly that he does. I haven't seen every word he has said on every interview....but he has strong implied that he has copies of it at all. There is no indication from anything he has said that he doesn't have copies/transcripts of the entire thing.


From either Goldberg or the actual records in one of the parties phones.

Yes, I guess what I'm saying is that if Goldberg didn't save the entire conversation and the entire idea of Signal is that it permanently deletes all messages for everyone in the group after a certain amount of time, then how do we know this conversation isn't already deleted from all parties involved phones?

Regardless, we shall see how it plays out.
I'm sure if Goldberg did save everything he saw in the group before leaving, and it truly is classified information, then he must he have spoken to Atlantic's legal team to make sure the current administration couldn't charge him with any crime before making this all public.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

then how do we know this conversation isn't already deleted from all parties involved phones?

At this point we don't. Either way, seems as though Goldberg has it all.

then he must he have spoken to Atlantic's legal team to make sure the current administration couldn't charge him with any crime before making this all public

More than likely yes..and that's why he held a lot of the specifics back...because the specifics would be the things at issue from a legal standpoint more so than something else.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes, I guess what I'm saying is that if Goldberg didn't save the entire conversation and the entire idea of Signal is that it permanently deletes all messages for everyone in the group after a certain amount of time, then how do we know this conversation isn't already deleted from all parties involved phones?

Regardless, we shall see how it plays out.
I'm sure if Goldberg did save everything he saw in the group before leaving, and it truly is classified information, then he must he have spoken to Atlantic's legal team to make sure the current administration couldn't charge him with any crime before making this all public.

I imagine he was probably visited by a couple of guys in suits clarifying a few things for him.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

I imagine he was probably visited by a couple of guys in suits clarifying a few things for him.

Totally agree, I guess what I'm amazed by is how would these (suits) confidently would be able to say how safe he truly would be (if he did indeed keep all the classified information)....because this exact situation has likely never happened, and has hardly (if any) legal precedent I would have to assume.

Just truly amazing stuff, but that is why lawyers are paid the big bucks.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

(if he did indeed keep all the classified information)

Just finished the quick 20mins he did with Tim Miller on his podcast..and Goldberg says he still has it all.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Just finished the quick 20mins he did with Tim Miller on his podcast..and Goldberg says he still has it all.

If that is the case, then the Democrats need to move heaven and earth to get thier hands on the entire transcript from Goldberg, because this administration is yelling it from a bull horn that Goldberg is a hack and lying / sensationalizing.

The American people deserve to find out who is telling the truth.
Whether they believe it when the truth is put in front of thier face for all to see is another story....

 

[BuaConstrictor]

because this administration is yelling it from a bull horn that Goldberg is a hack and lying / sensationalizing

They can't even get their own story straight. Hegseth said he was lying. The WH, NSC, and Speaker Johnson all confirmed the story was real.

Then at the hearing today, Gabbard and Ratcliffe weren't even on the same page within seconds of each other.

Ossoff sounded pretty confident that they will have or already have a full transcript. I'm sure a lot is going on behind the scenes with all the agencies.

Would love for the entire thing to be released just to call the bluff. Warner attempted to do that a few times today.

What I would bet comes of this is that the MAGA Admin will try to lean on some technicality that the full boat of evidence doesn't rise to the level of "Classified" because of some obscure by-law buried in some procedure. It will be some hyper technical or semantic argument around classification of intelligence....meanwhile down on planet Earth everyone with half a brain will continue to see how idiotic and incompetent this administration is.

 

[Sea Turtle]

If that is the case, then the Democrats need to move heaven and earth to get thier hands on the entire transcript from Goldberg, because this administration is yelling it from a bull horn that Goldberg is a hack and lying / sensationalizing.

The American people deserve to find out who is telling the truth.
Whether they believe it when the truth is put in front of thier face for all to see is another story....

This was sloppy but I don't get the moving heaven and earth stuff. I get that democrats are desperate for anything now and maybe you are too but hasn't it been acknowledged that the chat itself stated that all classified information would be handled on another secure chat?
Again, amateur hour but this is being overblown to sensationalist levels. If someone needs to be fired, then so be it.

And who cares if china and Russia know about the basics of the Houthi situation? They already know what's happening.
Our entire war plan against Iran was leaked on purpose to the newspapers about a year ago, which as an Ally to those two, is far more damaging.

 

[Sea Turtle]

The department of defense just released a memo in January warning against using non DoD controlled electronic messaging services despite their perceived security. It specifically mentioned Signal.

This is completely inexcusable.

If that was for all communications then yes. Bonehead move and someone will probably be fired.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

hasn't it been acknowledged that the chat itself stated that all classified information would be handled on another secure chat?

No....because we can't even confirm that classified intel wasn't in this conversation...and Gabbard and Ratcliffe got dog walked today by Kelly, Angus, and Ossoff on this exact issue(this link even covers controlled non-classified information...which they still broke protocols on).