Trump Presidency Round 2

[BuaConstrictor]

I hear a lot about "they're taking away our rights" but rarely anything specific.

Colorado and I literally posted specifics last week. So if you "rarely" hear anything specific, that is a you problem.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

what's there to lose?

Well, I mean...the Republicans don't want to give up power..so they'd lose that.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I hear a lot about "they're taking away our rights" but rarely anything specific. When asked what rights specifically are you losing that others have, the answer is usually something vague or it's a special right others don't have, but the speaker thinks THEIR group should have. So, what protections and rights are the trans community losing that others will still have?

Healthcare is right, how that's paid can be up for debate. So that's example number 1

Iowa removed civil rights protections for transgender people allowing people to discriminate against transgender people. Affecting housing, jobs amongst other things

Iowa governor signs law removing civil rights protections for transgender Iowans

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed a bill into law Friday that removes gender identity from the Iowa Civil Rights Act.

www.iowapublicradio.org

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Colorado and I literally posted specifics last week. So if you "rarely" hear anything specific, that is a you problem.

He hears what he wants to hear and if it doesn't align with his personal beliefs he doesn't give it any validity. Just the attitude you want from a doctor treating you.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Healthcare is right, how that's paid can be up for debate. So that's example number 1

Iowa removed civil rights protections for transgender people allowing people to discriminate against transgender people. Affecting housing, jobs amongst other things

Iowa governor signs law removing civil rights protections for transgender Iowans

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed a bill into law Friday that removes gender identity from the Iowa Civil Rights Act.

www.iowapublicradio.org

Oh and the Trump EO not allowing them to enlist in the military.

So there are some specifics (again).

bishop will just come back and say he is fine with all these things/excuse them........so next time rather than ask for specifics....he can just admit he's a monster/ghoul and we can move on.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Just the attitude you want from a doctor treating you.

Somewhat shocked he isn't listed in the conversion therapy SCOTUS case.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Somewhat shocked he isn't listed in the conversion therapy SCOTUS case.

Give it time this was only for a provider on Colorado.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Why not US citizens? If you believe in protecting social fabric, why not stamp it out?

US Citizens have a birthright to be here. Those who want to become citizens do not, US citizenship for them is a privilege, not a right.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

US Citizens have a birthright to be here

..about that....

 

[NDVirginia19]

Healthcare is right

No it is not.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

No it is not.

Having access to healthcare is right. I don't really care if it's in the constitution or not. and the government shouldn't have a say and what healthcare options can be offered. Im a big free markets and capitalism person so your not going to convince me otherwise. If you want debate how it should be paid for that's fine. but the government shouldn't have a say in what healthcare options are offered unless there's scientific proof that a treatment causes much larger negative outcomes that it fixes

 

[TorontoGold]

US Citizens have a birthright to be here. Those who want to become citizens do not, US citizenship for them is a privilege, not a right.

Got it. What about US Citizens, do you believe they should be jailed under the TorontoGold - Do not have symbols of terrorism/genocide in public law. If you are wearing a KKK, Nazi, or Hamas symbol you are sent directly to jail and have to pay a $10k fine. Bonus - if you are in the country on a visa or equivalent your status will be under review and up for deportation.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Having access to healthcare is right. I don't really care if it's in the constitution or not. and the government shouldn't have a say and what healthcare options can be offered. Im a big free markets and capitalism person so your not going to convince me otherwise. If you want debate how it should be paid for that's fine. but the government shouldn't have a say in what healthcare options are offered unless there's scientific proof that a treatment causes much larger negative outcomes that it fixes

I think you water down the meaning of the concept of "rights" by considering healthcare a right. Healthcare compels the labor of other individuals, and you do not have a right to compel others to act on your behalf.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Colorado and I literally posted specifics last week. So if you "rarely" hear anything specific, that is a you problem.

You think I read everything you post? Colorado and I briefly discussed him losing his right to healthcare, but when pressed, he was unable to name any specific healthcare he was losing that others had. If you know of any rights trans people are losing that others have, enlighten us, please.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think you water down the meaning of the concept of "rights" by considering healthcare a right. Healthcare compels the labor of other individuals, and you do not have a right to compel others to act on your behalf.

When the hell did I say anything about compelling labor? I simply stated the government shouldn't decide healthcare options. That's them regulating a market

 

[NDVirginia19]

Got it. What about US Citizens, do you believe they should be jailed under the TorontoGold - Do not have symbols of terrorism/genocide in public law. If you are wearing a KKK, Nazi, or Hamas symbol you are sent directly to jail and have to pay a $10k fine. Bonus - if you are in the country on a visa or equivalent your status will be under review and up for deportation.

No, I don't think they should be sent to jail for saying incredibly heinous things about their support for Hamas.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

You think I read everything you post?

You should. You'd be more educated.

If you know of any rights trans people are losing

Now I know you're not reading ANYTHING.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

You think I read everything you post? Colorado and I briefly discussed him losing his right to healthcare, but when pressed, he was unable to name any specific healthcare he was losing that others had. If you know of any rights trans people are losing that others have, enlighten us, please.

Her* and I've very clearly laid out rights being taken away.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

No, I don't think they should be sent to jail for saying incredibly heinous things about their support for Hamas.

Interesting you ignore your political party's base in this remark.

 

[TorontoGold]

No, I don't think they should be sent to jail for saying incredibly heinous things about their support for Hamas.

I’m not saying speech, I’m saying if they are wearing a symbol of hate they go to jail. If you’re worried about the social fabric, wouldn’t it be good to route out the bad actors? Plenty of laws that restrict how businesses and their opinions of foreign countries, why can’t citizens be restricted from showing support of Nazi/KKK/Hamas?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Her* and I've very clearly laid out rights being taken away.

bishop will just come back and say he is fine with all these things/excuse them........so next time rather than ask for specifics....he can just admit he's a monster/ghoul and we can move on.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I’m not saying speech, I’m saying if they are wearing a symbol of hate they go to jail. If you’re worried about the social fabric, wouldn’t it be good to route out the bad actors? Plenty of laws that restrict how businesses and their opinions of foreign countries, why can’t citizens be restricted from showing support of Nazi/KKK/Hamas?

If I had cancer in my lungs, I would work to treat the cancer rather than remove my lungs. There are things that the government can do to heal the social fabric of the country and root out corrosive activities like the KKK.

I see foreigners coming into our country to spew hatred in support of foreign terrorist organizations as carcinogens. If you accidentally ingested Cobalt-60, you should work to remove it from your body as soon as you possibly can.


I get that its not a perfect analogy. Citizens that are here have a higher level of speech protection than those who are not citizens.

 

[Blazers46]

Her* and I've very clearly laid out rights being taken away.

Catch me up. So if you broke your arm the doctors will refuse to treat you?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

If I had cancer in my lungs, I would work to treat the cancer rather than remove my lungs. There are things that the government can do to heal the social fabric of the country and root out corrosive activities like the KKK.

The country voting their preferred candidate into office seems to not be a sound part of the strategy to that end.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Healthcare is right, how that's paid can be up for debate. So that's example number 1

Iowa removed civil rights protections for transgender people allowing people to discriminate against transgender people. Affecting housing, jobs amongst other things

Iowa governor signs law removing civil rights protections for transgender Iowans

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed a bill into law Friday that removes gender identity from the Iowa Civil Rights Act.

www.iowapublicradio.org

He hears what he wants to hear and if it doesn't align with his personal beliefs he doesn't give it any validity. Just the attitude you want from a doctor treating you.

Colorado, I'm going to tell you something that the vast majority of people know and believe, but you don't want to hear. Transgenderism is a mental illness. It's a sign of some sort of personality disorder or a reaction to trauma. That trauma may be sexual, psychological, physical, from some sort of family dysfunction, or something else, but it's not a normal, healthy, equally valid lifestyle. It's a sign of major underlying problems. Treating it as normal and healthy instead of dealing with the underlying problems is borderline abusive of the trans person.

If you tell a bulimic or anorexic that their beliefs regarding their weight and size are just fine, you're not helping them. If you tell an alcoholic that there's nothing wrong with his drinking all the time and he's just being him, you're not helping him. If you tell a trans person that there's nothing wrong with their dysmorphia and belief that they're in the wrong body and what they're doing to themselves, you're not helping them.

Nobody is trying to wipe out your existence or want you to be abused or anything else like that. We're just not going to go any further down this path of madness where we have to pretend to believe in others' delusions. If someone wants to pretend he's a dog, should the rest of us have to pay for his fang implants and claws? Should we have to let him sniff our ass and bark at him? If I think I'm Napolean, should I have the right to demand you call me Mon General and address me in French? Of course not. Instead of playing into such delusions and being forced to pay for them, we'd insist on getting the person help instead. That's where most of us are at this point with the whole trans thing. We can be sympathetic, we can want you to get better, but we're not going to continue pretending this nonsense is normal, healthy, or something we have to condone, accept, pretend is real, or pay for.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Colorado, I'm going to tell you something that the vast majority of people know and believe, but you don't want to hear. Transgenderism is a mental illness.

Stopped reading right here because......As predicted when faced with evidence of you/us being correct and him being wrong....

bishop will just come back and say he is fine with all these things/excuse them........so next time rather than ask for specifics....he can just admit he's a monster/ghoul and we can move on.

Glad we can move on now.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Stopped reading right here because......As predicted when faced with evidence of you/us being correct and him being wrong....

bishop will just come back and say he is fine with all these things/excuse them........so next time rather than ask for specifics....he can just admit he's a monster/ghoul and we can move on.

Glad we can move on now.

Hit the nail on the head

 

[Irish#1]

Healthcare is right, how that's paid can be up for debate. So that's example number 1

To be fair, unless you're paying some super unaffordable premium now, most health plans don't pay for a lot of stuff or their contribution is so small you might as well be paying the full amount.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

To be fair, unless you're paying some super unaffordable premium now, most health plans don't pay for a lot of stuff or their contribution is so small you might as well be paying the full amount.

Don't disagree at all. Thankfully I'm blessed to have pretty good insurance since I work at a hospital and pretty much all my healthcare is considered in house

 

[Bishop2b5]

Stopped reading right here because......As predicted when faced with evidence of you/us being correct and him being wrong....

bishop will just come back and say he is fine with all these things/excuse them........so next time rather than ask for specifics....he can just admit he's a monster/ghoul and we can move on.

Glad we can move on now.

You're making a career on IE of being a childish troll whose only mission is to be disruptive to all discussions and contribute nothing of substance.