'25 MS QB Deuce Knight Auburn Verbal Ole Miss ???

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Quarterback
Lucedale, MS
George County

Measurements
Ht: 6'4"
Wt: 185

Ratings
247: .................. :s::s::s::s: #8 QB, #66 OA, 93 Rating
247 Comp: ..... :s::s::s::s: #8 QB, #51 OA, .9729
Rivals: ............... :s::s::s::s: #1 QB-D, #52 OA, 5.9
ESPN: ................ :s::s::s::s: #2 QB-D, #133 OA, 82
On3: ................. :s::s::s::s: #6 QB, #54 OA, 94


Offers
Notre Dame ......... Offered 3-17-23 ....... Committed 9-18-23
Auburn
Bama
Colorado
Georgia
Indiana
Louisville
Memphis
Miami
Mississippi St
Oregon
Ole Miss
S Carolina
TCU
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Tulsa
USF
Vandy
Va Tech
Washington
FAMU
JSU
SoMiss

 
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The fact of the matter is we don’t know. Could Riley Leonard have a Heisman campaign year yes. Will he we will see. If he doesn’t is that because he has only been here 1 year or does he just not have that type of talent. I would argue Hartman never had the talent and even if was back again this year his deficiencies would still hold him back. The lack of talented WR’s also held Hartman back last year. There is nothing a 2 year transfer could do about that. There are so many ifs and could be a. Great for discussion but again nothing to get worked up about or have a definitive opinion on. I am HOPING Leonard is going to prove that 1 year transfer QBs can excel and make a deep run in the playoffs. Especially when you brining in the WR talent to go with the transfer QB.
Sam Harman was a 2500 yard passer because of his OC. I'll never believe WF had better weapons around him. He wasn't slinging it, like at Wake and his numbers showed it. And yes, I know WF didn't have an Estime but I still blame Parker.
 

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Sam Harman was a 2500 yard passer because of his OC. I'll never believe WF had better weapons around him. He wasn't slinging it, like at Wake and his numbers showed it. And yes, I know WF didn't have an Estime but I still blame Parker.
I get your point but WFs wide receiver room was better the past few years than NDs
 

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I also think you have to look at the teams bench. Auburn hasnt had good QB play since Nix, even if you could call that good then. Deuce has to be looking at ND with Leonard then Carr and saying that he isnt seeing the field anytime soon. He can play season 1 at a place like Auburn, especially if they are a .500 team like they are projected to be. And you dont have to win championships to get drafted high as a QB but you do have to play.
So equal or better NIL package + playing time is a hard battle to overcome.
 

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Time to win football games. Time to win a lot of football games. That's all I care about this season. I care about recruiting as a means to that end. Go win 11-12 games and I have a lot of confidence Denbrock will find the offensive talent. He's very good at evaluating and developing.

Because, if we're not winning a lot of football games this season then more difficult conversations will need to be had anyways.
 

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Time to win football games. Time to win a lot of football games. That's all I care about this season. I care about recruiting as a means to that end. Go win 11-12 games and I have a lot of confidence Denbrock will find the offensive talent. He's very good at evaluating and developing.

Because, if we're not winning a lot of football games this season then more difficult conversations will need to be had anyways.
Lets face it, if ND can win a lot of games this year, with the loaded roster it has, ND is not going to do it period. No real excuses this year. Im not saying NC. Im saying easily win the games you are supposed to win and win the games against teams with a pulse.
 
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According to Wiltfong, Deuce likes Hugh Freeze's offense, Auburn's history developing QBs and the WRs they've recruited in the past cycles. I still find it hard to believe that he likes Auburn's development and WRs so much more, this to me is because he decided he wants to stay close to home, which is why ND has almost no chance.

 
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Great more time to find some new recipes. The wife made a casserole last night and used three different peppers out of our garden (Sweet Banana, Hungarian Hot Wax and another hot pepper) along with fresh tomatoes. I'm having leftovers tonight.
I want that recipe my guy.
 
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According to Wiltfong, Deuce likes Hugh Freeze's offense, Auburn's history developing QBs and the WRs they've recruited in the past cycles. I still find it hard to believe that he likes Auburn's development and WRs so much more, this to me is because he decided hants to stay close to home, which is why ND has almost no chance.


I mean the history of developing QBs? That's a stretch to me
 

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Sam Harman was a 2500 yard passer because of his OC. I'll never believe WF had better weapons around him. He wasn't slinging it, like at Wake and his numbers showed it. And yes, I know WF didn't have an Estime but I still blame Parker.
I totally agree given a competent OC Hartman would have had an even better season. I was just saying I don’t think he had a Heisman type run in him just because of the deficiencies he did have, but still would have been much better in the Duke, Louisville, and Clemson games with a better OC.
 
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According to Wiltfong, Deuce likes Hugh Freeze's offense, Auburn's history developing QBs and the WRs they've recruited in the past cycles. I still find it hard to believe that he likes Auburn's development and WRs so much more, this to me is because he decided hants to stay close to home, which is why ND has almost no chance.


Of course. Tough to argue that. Their 121st ranked passing offense last year really shined. Especially when you compare it to the output of our OC's 1 measley Heisman trophy winner and #1 scoring offense in the country.
 

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The kid literally transferred home from Tennessee in the middle of his Junior season. Even if he signed, he never would have lasted until his Junior Year (at the least).

I assume Freeman thought he was worth the risk because of his upside.


“It was a family deal for him," Mawae (Head Coach) said. "He did everything we wanted him to do. It had nothing to do with football, it had everything to do with him wanting to be with his family.”
 
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Of course. Tough to argue that. Their 121st ranked passing offense last year really shined. Especially when you compare it to the output of our OC's 1 measley Heisman trophy winner and #1 scoring offense in the country.
Yup, makes no sense. I wish these kids would just be honest with reporters sometimes. He's not going there for QB development. I can see WR recruiting being a reason, but they don't have any WR commits this cycle, so that tells me early playing time is also a factor because he plans on throwing to the WRs from last cycle at Auburn. He was probably going to sit until he was a junior at ND, which he seemed ok with at first. Now, it looks like he's going to take the tutelage he got from Gino and Leonard during this off-season and utilize it elsewhere. Another reason this feels shady to me, even if it's hard to blame him for changing his mind, he essentially strung the ND coaches along, took the tools they gave him and said I'm out as soon as he showed improvement in his throwing mechanics at camps.
 

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If anything, Auburn QBs go on to have success elsewhere after kind of mediocre seasons there - Think Bo Nix and TJ Finley; Robby Ashford may become another one at SC. Well maybe he does come back to ND...
 
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The kid literally transferred home from Tennessee in the middle of his Junior season. Even if he signed, he never would have lasted until his Junior Year (at the least).

I assume Freeman thought he was worth the risk because of his upside.


“It was a family deal for him," Mawae (Head Coach) said. "He did everything we wanted him to do. It had nothing to do with football, it had everything to do with him wanting to be with his family.”
I heard him say in an interview previously that he actually liked the fact that NDs QB room had Carr in it, because he wanted to take his time and develop before getting thrust into a starting role. His mechanics up until recently had been pretty shaky, but he showed huge improvement over the off-season after getting some tutelage under Gino. Now, it looks like he changed his mind about not wanting to play early
 

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I thought maybe Freeman could bridge the recruiting gap through being a harder worker, placing more emphasis upon, and being more personally charismatic than Kelly

But it's becoming apparent that Kelly's "shopping down a different aisle" comment very much so had validity to it

Can probably still strategically mine the south for some of those not quite top top top tier guys within metropolitan areas like Dallas Golden or even Ivan Taylor (who for now is still leaving the south for Mich, but tbd)

But it's pretty clear that the top top top tier guys in the south are just never going to likely be viable targets for ND through a combination of intense competition and culture mismatch (whether academic, social, etc)

Even OSU can't bridge the gap on some of these kids due to the culture mismatch--even though they're extremely successful on the field and also dont require the academic rigor like the southern powers
 

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The kid literally transferred home from Tennessee in the middle of his Junior season. Even if he signed, he never would have lasted until his Junior Year (at the least).

I assume Freeman thought he was worth the risk because of his upside.


“It was a family deal for him," Mawae (Head Coach) said. "He did everything we wanted him to do. It had nothing to do with football, it had everything to do with him wanting to be with his family.”
So let's just move his family to somewhere nice in Indiana?
 

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IMO....ND is doing everything right in terms of NIL and playing the game. The one thing that ND will never be able to do to be more competitive in that space is look at a kid and say "You won't have to go to class, you won't have to maintain X grades, we will have staffers help you with your school work" And that is why ND will never get kids like most SEC schools. And I know this to be a fact, one of my good buddies nephew was a top rated HS RB that was a UGA legacy...and still ended up at Bama (and stuck after Saban left). The only other school that was being considered after the 2 mentioned was OSU. And although it still would have been a cake walk...It wouldn't have been a BAMA cake walk.
I knew someone who went to Bama and when the professor did roll call, Trent Richardson happened to be some nerdy white kid.
 

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In the era of the transfer portal, does this really matter. ND's current and last year's starter were out of the portal as are most team's QBs. Nothing to get worked up about.

If you stay that route though you will never recruit the position well. It shows that you can’t build them
Up.
 

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I thought maybe Freeman could bridge the recruiting gap through being a harder worker, placing more emphasis upon, and being more personally charismatic than Kelly

But it's becoming apparent that Kelly's "shopping down a different aisle" comment very much so had validity to it

Can probably still strategically mine the south for some of those not quite top top top tier guys within metropolitan areas like Dallas Golden or even Ivan Taylor (who for now is still leaving the south for Mich, but tbd)

But it's pretty clear that the top top top tier guys in the south are just never going to likely be viable targets for ND through a combination of intense competition and culture mismatch (whether academic, social, etc)

Even OSU can't bridge the gap on some of these kids due to the culture mismatch--even though they're extremely successful on the field and also dont require the academic rigor like the southern powers
OSU does significantly better than ND, UM, or PSU recruiting top talent from the south. They've gotten some absolute studs from the deep south.
 

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Because, if we're not winning a lot of football games this season then more difficult conversations will need to be had anyways.
Agree

Fair or not--recruiting sets the tone for the optimism/morale of a program

With what's transpired in recruiting since frankly KVA verbally committed last year, most all of the positive momentum and vibes surrounding the program have subsided on that front, espn after this infamous summer

Taking any form of a "L" in College Station is just going to need to be considered unacceptable at this point

This current regime has been given more tools and resources to be successful on the field during this offseason than I have ever seen provided by the ND administration before. More commonly the ND administration has attempts to undermining/embide progress

In addition to not losing the game, and also for the remainder of the season.....

Could we pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty please see something besides the same general type of sputtering, boring, two TE, tight splits, catch a button hook and immediately get tackled passing attack and "muh...the oline just needs to gel for the first few weeks" running game that we are subjected to year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, anytime we play any defense with even a little bit of a pulse?
 
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I thought maybe Freeman could bridge the recruiting gap through being a harder worker, placing more emphasis upon, and being more personally charismatic than Kelly

But it's becoming apparent that Kelly's "shopping down a different aisle" comment very much so had validity to it

Can probably still strategically mine the south for some of those not quite top top top tier guys within metropolitan areas like Dallas Golden or even Ivan Taylor (who for now is still leaving the south for Mich, but tbd)

But it's pretty clear that the top top top tier guys in the south are just never going to likely be viable targets for ND through a combination of intense competition and culture mismatch (whether academic, social, etc)

Even OSU can't bridge the gap on some of these kids due to the culture mismatch--even though they're extremely successful on the field and also dont require the academic rigor like the southern powers
Or players at premier positions like QB, WR, edge rushers. I think it's a little easier to pull DBs, OL, even RBs like Jadarian Price and Kedren Young out of the south because other teams won't lobby as hard to flip them as they will for a QB.
 

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Time to win football games. Time to win a lot of football games. That's all I care about this season. I care about recruiting as a means to that end. Go win 11-12 games and I have a lot of confidence Denbrock will find the offensive talent. He's very good at evaluating and developing.

Because, if we're not winning a lot of football games this season then more difficult conversations will need to be had anyways.
It should always be about this because if you're doing it consistently, good things are going to happen for you, whether you're churning out 4.0 GPA or NFL Draft picks in the north, south, east or west.

I get Notre Dame is different, this, that and the other. They're also different from Stanford, Northwestern, Duke and Vanderbilt. A football school has to win football games. This is the year you step on the testicles of whoever is in front of you, believe in it and do not apologize. Then go onto the next one. I'm not going to sit here and talk about "consequences" or "accountability" or "must wins", but it's year three and it's time to roll the ball up the hill a bit.

The last era of significance was 1988-1993. 64-9-1 during that period, 5-1 in bowls. The four HC after could not replicate that success. The current guy is 19-8. If you're winning and creating NFL millionaires, people are going to see you. Not everyone, but plenty of players will.

Also, recruiting is a fucking cesspool of awful smelling jizz.

"Report"
 

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It should always be about this because if you're doing it consistently, good things are going to happen for you, whether you're churning out 4.0 GPA or NFL Draft picks in the north, south, east or west.

I get Notre Dame is different, this, that and the other. They're also different from Stanford, Northwestern, Duke and Vanderbilt. A football school has to win football games. This is the year you step on the testicles of whoever is in front of you, believe in it and do not apologize. Then go onto the next one. I'm not going to sit here and talk about "consequences" or "accountability" or "must wins", but it's year three and it's time to roll the ball up the hill a bit.

The last era of significance was 1988-1993. 64-9-1 during that period, 5-1 in bowls. The four HC after could not replicate that success. The current guy is 19-8. If you're winning and creating NFL millionaires, people are going to see you. Not everyone, but plenty of players will.

Also, recruiting is a fucking cesspool of awful smelling jizz.

"Report"

Yep. Rip their guts out and use them to grease the treads of out tanks.
 
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