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Southside Sully

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I was at a fundraiser Sunday night and spoke to two state reps and one state senator. He's not getting a dime from the state for a new stadium. This is an united front from both parties and from the contingents of both Chicago and downstate.

Asshole Jerry has managed to unite the political divide. He could well prove worth something after all.
Good, he shouldn't get a dollar, no one feels bad for him. He is a billionaire.. Finance it yourself and figure it out. I don't think MLB will let the Sox leave Chicago either, so I think that is all posturing as well.
 

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Good, he shouldn't get a dollar, no one feels bad for him. He is a billionaire.. Finance it yourself and figure it out. I don't think MLB will let the Sox leave Chicago either, so I think that is all posturing as well.
If he wants people to show up to games, put a good team on the field. In fact, try doing it two or three years in a row in a winnable division. Hire competent front office people and spend money on infrastructure.

You can be good and not spend tons of money. See the Tampa Rays, and their stadium is garbage. Jerry doesn't give a f*ck. If he did, he'd realize he can have the best of both worlds with the early Oakland A's Billy Beane model and or current Tampa Rays model. He just chooses not to because he's a greedy ass.

They drew 2.3M people in 2005. The next year they drew just shy of 3M. From 2012-2021 they didn't draw 2M people again until 2022, which was on the back of the 2021 season when they won 93 games after COVID.

Put a good team out for more than just one year and people will go. You can't build a following and market a team when you're good every 8 years.
 

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The lack out accountability to Grifol, Getz etc is disgusting too. This is so bad
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How much accountability do they actually have? Grifol can only play the guys he has available to him. He's a lot like TLR -- no, he's not the solution, but he's also not the problem. And I don't think there are any strings or motivational tools available to anyone to fix it. The roster stinks, and it stinks even when they have their "best players" (term used loosely) available.

Getz is a different story, though, and should have been out on his rear with the rest of the front office. They can't develop anyone and they can't identify talent. But at the same time, it's not like Jerry is giving him the okay to spend money on free agents.

I'm just glad Jerry's grifting buddies Madigan and Thompson aren't in a position to play games to benefit Jerry at the expense of the people of Illinois.
 

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How much accountability do they actually have? Grifol can only play the guys he has available to him. He's a lot like TLR -- no, he's not the solution, but he's also not the problem. And I don't think there are any strings or motivational tools available to anyone to fix it. The roster stinks, and it stinks even when they have their "best players" (term used loosely) available.

Getz is a different story, though, and should have been out on his rear with the rest of the front office. They can't develop anyone and they can't identify talent. But at the same time, it's not like Jerry is giving him the okay to spend money on free agents.

I'm just glad Jerry's grifting buddies Madigan and Thompson aren't in a position to play games to benefit Jerry at the expense of the people of Illinois.
There have been some real head-scratching lineups he has made and in-game decisions. This year and last year.
 

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The lack out accountability to Grifol, Getz etc is disgusting too. This is so bad
What exactly did you expect? Getz isn't qualified to be a general manager to begin with. His predecessor tore the team down, again, before he got appointed. Jerry has no expectations, so it's hard for the fans to have any. They keep hiring people from the Royals organization. Not Tampa, not Houston, not Cleveland. Kansas City. Why? Because, Jerry.

There really isn't anything Grifol is going to be able to do other than try to avoid sounding stupid every day in pregame and postgame media. This is going to be a terribly long season for anyone that isn't able to ignore it. I feel bad for the workers at the ballpark.

I don't know what you hold any of them accountable for, to be fair. We're so past that point. Grifol is a baseball lifer and took a shot at his first managerial job with a franchise that is not serious. Kenny and Rick hired him because he was with the Royals and told them everything the White Sox were doing wrong from the perspective of a divisional opponent. Again, someone who should have never been hired in the first place.
 

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I agree with you it blows my mind they don't hire from winning organizations, or invest in analytics or anything else. Getz is accountable for sure, as he was the Director of Player Development, and its obvious, he/the team hasn't developed shit.
 

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I agree with you it blows my mind they don't hire from winning organizations, or invest in analytics or anything else. Getz is accountable for sure, as he was the Director of Player Development, and its obvious, he/the team hasn't developed shit.
The entire idea of accountability is that you choose certain actions, and if they do not work out, there are consequences and you are held responsible. What possible consequences is Chris Getz going to face having just been promoted? Sure, Player Development is bad, which means you probably send him packing with Kenny and Rick. He got promoted instead.

Jerry kept Kenny and Rick around for over two decades. They've never hired from other organizations. It's nearly impossible to hold anyone accountable here knowing the situation is what it is and has been for going on three decades. Jerry is accountable, and he doesn't care. It all starts there. None of them are qualified to be where they are but Jerry is the man who put everyone below him into place.

They need new ownership and a full teardown. To the studs. From Jerry to Rookie Ball. It's all gotta get blown up.
 

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Oh, yeah. I 100% agree. This is the most upset I can remember fans being with the franchise outside of the white flag trade. Fans are being very vocal. No chance he shows his face to the media.
 

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Oh, yeah. I 100% agree. This is the most upset I can remember fans being with the franchise outside of the white flag trade. Fans are being very vocal. No chance he shows his face to the media.
The attendance at home games has been pathetic.

It isn't a serious franchise. They could have stuck with Renteria or hired AJ Hinch. Jerry wanted Tony LaRussa. Kenny and Rick could have resigned. They didn't.

Nothing happening right now should be a surprise.
 

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How does such a historically bad team have so many trade pieces? lol
And get so little in return for them? Why keep Robert and Crochet too?

They won't draft higher than 10th next year and might be the worst team in history. Their farm system is trash.

Bad process.
 

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And get so little in return for them? Why keep Robert and Crochet too?

They won't draft higher than 10th next year and might be the worst team in history. Their farm system is trash.

Bad process.
Crochet sort of fucked the Sox with his statements over the last week regarding his usage. I get it, but I’ll bet it scared guys off. The offseason may actually net a better return for both Crochet and Robert than the deadline. We’ll see how Getz bungles that, too.
 

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Crochet sort of fucked the Sox with his statements over the last week regarding his usage. I get it, but I’ll bet it scared guys off. The offseason may actually net a better return for both Crochet and Robert than the deadline. We’ll see how Getz bungles that, too.
Getz totally in over his head!!
 

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Sounds like Crochet and Sox may be working on an extension. Can you imagine a rotation of Crochet, Schultz, Smith, Thorpe Cannon? I'd offer Crochet a 5 year 125 million deal.
 

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Crochet sort of fucked the Sox with his statements over the last week regarding his usage. I get it, but I’ll bet it scared guys off. The offseason may actually net a better return for both Crochet and Robert than the deadline. We’ll see how Getz bungles that, too.
They'll both be moved this winter. Without question.
 

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Ehh i don't think Robert gets moved they can roll the dice and hope he comes out hot. I think if you trade him this winter you aren't getting much value.
Did you see what they got in return a few days ago for all the players they traded?

They're going to be historically bad and they don't seem to care. What part of you thinks anyone in that organization is sitting around thinking, "Hey, let's hang onto Luis Robert and see if he shows off his 2023 self so we can get a better return!"

They literally don't care. For all the talk on this site about how Notre Dame Football isn't serious, this is one of THE definitions of a franchise that isn't serious. They'll trade them both this winter and then tell us about the young talent they got in return, when it will likely be prospects that don't even rate in the Top 30 of the organizations they came from.

The situation with this team is dire and keeps getting more dire with each passing turn. They'll fire Grifol and make it look like they're doing something.
 

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Grifol may be the worst manager, ever. Jerry is already the worst owner in sports. I hate to even say this but he needs to take a page out of what the Bears are doing. Finally turning control over to decision makers outside of the family, and though its yet to be seen on paper, it seems to be headed the right way, doing great scouting, investing in good players, so on and on.
 

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Grifol may be the worst manager, ever. Jerry is already the worst owner in sports. I hate to even say this but he needs to take a page out of what the Bears are doing. Finally turning control over to decision makers outside of the family, and though its yet to be seen on paper, it seems to be headed the right way, doing great scouting, investing in good players, so on and on.
Problem is that the McCaskey's have at least tried to change and turn things around. They just realized that them making the decisions was the problem. They've constantly tried something different and it's almost always been a bad result. All in all, things would likely be a lot better had Mugs not tragically passed in '79. They finally decided to just give up making football decisions and leave that to competent football minds like Warren and Poles and hope that pays off.

Jerry doesn't change. AT ALL. He fired two yes-men in Kenny and Hahn and what did he replace them with? Literally ANOTHER yes-man in Getz. He didn't actually conduct a legitimate search. He just consulted his drinking buddy 80 year old geriatric Tony La Russa, and he told him "Whatever, just promote Getz, c'mon dude, happy hour's about to start!"

Dude literally can't comprehend that he's THE problem. He's easily the most egocentric owner in sports, which is saying A LOT, but at least with most egocentric owners, they have some semblance of success to back up their ego. Jerry can't point to anything in the past 19 years from either of his franchises to hang his hat on.
 

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Grifol may be the worst manager, ever. Jerry is already the worst owner in sports. I hate to even say this but he needs to take a page out of what the Bears are doing. Finally turning control over to decision makers outside of the family, and though its yet to be seen on paper, it seems to be headed the right way, doing great scouting, investing in good players, so on and on.
You find me anyone, I mean anyone, that can get more out of whatever this sad excuse for a franchise is. I wanna know names of current LIVING candidates that could do better. I agree the guy sucks, but he's the least of the issues right now.

He got hired because he told Williams and Hahn that he knows what's wrong with the CWS because he saw them from the KC Royals dugout. It legitimately might be even worse than bringing LaRussa back.
 

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You find me anyone, I mean anyone, that can get more out of whatever this sad excuse for a franchise is. I wanna know names of current LIVING candidates that could do better. I agree the guy sucks, but he's the least of the issues right now.

He got hired because he told Williams and Hahn that he knows what's wrong with the CWS because he saw them from the KC Royals dugout. It legitimately might be even worse than bringing LaRussa back.
What's your thoughts on the AJ rumors?
 

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What's your thoughts on the AJ rumors?
Hell yes. I’ve got a signed AJ jersey on my basement jersey wall. He and Frank are my two favorite Sox. As a manager, I know he wouldn’t put up with poor effort and I feel like he’s the sort of outspoken leader a young team will need. He’s white Ozzie, basically.
 
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