60% that voted for Trump doesn’t mean they’re hardline Maga. It’s conceivable that they prefer some of Trumps policies over Haley.
General you..... as in the general republican has some decisions to make. Yes.... voting for Trump is a vote for MAGA. It just is. Rationalize it however you want, but MAGA is not the traditional GOP. Its MAGA. If they wanted a typical republican they would have voted for Haley or Scott and rebuked Trump and MAGA. They didnt. The only precincts Haley won was my area which coincidentally is the most affluent, purple and well educated part of the state.
That's not going to happen. It would go against the entire foundation of our government. Everyone has to be held accountable to some degree.
Keep telling yourself that.
The vote for Trump in South Carolina was closer to 75% for Trump of Republican voters. 40% of Haley's vote was people who voted for Biden, mostly Dems. Of the other 25% of Republicans who did not vote for Trump, the word is most of those would vote for Trump over Biden. So, the Republican vote is overwhelmingly Trump in a General Election.
No faith in the will of our people. Got it.
Did you miss Jan 6th? He had senators, representatives, state AGs, state governors, state legislatures all ready to hand the election to him and only a few people stood in the way. Mike Pence was the last one. If you dont think Trump will get a VP who will absolutely do what he wants then you are fooling yourself. Every position of importance will have a loyalist next time around. They wont make those same mistakes again. Nothing has been done to shore up those guardrails and I guarantee you Trump and his loyalists wont let it get to certification again. They will spend their entire 4 years in office making sure he doesn't leave, installing loyalists into the gatekeeper positions etc... Who will remove him and how if he decides not to leave and the people have no one in the government to make him? What are the people going to do to a POTUS with immunity and the DOJ, military, and Federal LEO under his control.
This first part assumes all the worst, and leaves out other facts like the military not siding with Trump. They sided with the Constitution. When the Guard was called in to clear the Capitol they ordered the protestors out and they complied. For all the pearl clutching, democracy wasn't dying on Jan 6th, not even close. What were a bunch of unarmed citizens really going to do?
Nope. I'm listening to them. Not assuming the worst but definitely preparing for it because there is the chance that dumb motherfuckers vote for this scumbag again in numbers enough to put him back in power. They are already putting their plans out there. I'm paying attention.
Purposefully misrepresenting what their plan was just so you can brush it off is laughable. They were there to cause chaos and stop the certification of the election. They did their part. Thank god Pence found his spine.Damn, you're right. Those unarmed, unruly, unorganized Boomers nearly ended this great country!
I might be worried if BLM had stormed the capital, they're a bit more organized and did some major damage during the riots. People died as a direct result of their violence, as oppose to the heart attacks the protestors typically died of. I don't recall calling for any of their executions though, but I thought rioters that caused damage deserved jail time. I feel the same way about Jan 6ers that went beyond simple protesting.
Again with the misrepresenting. Impossible to get through to cult think like this.
What did I say that was misrepresented?
No one has EVER argued that Jim Bob and his dumb MAGA bitch wife were going to take control of the capitol and assume leadership of the government. That’s a bullshit republican strawman used to deflect what actually took place that day.
What Trump wanted and what Pence had the power to do are two different things. Pence's role in the process was ceremonial only. Per the AP:
No one thinks he actually had the "power" to do what Trump wanted. Trump has no qualms about doing things that he doesn't have the legal right to do, luckily Pence did.
Why are we discussing impossible situations? We've already established Pence didn't have the power to do anything. Discussing anything more is the land of make believe, where Trump likes to play.
Pence was never going to do what Trump wanted. Like him or not, he's of high moral fiber and would never go down that path.
I agree that Pence wasn't a real threat to ever do it.
Thats all you got? They werent unarmed and they werent all boomers so you got any other gaslighting strawmen to include? Its disgusting you are carrying these peoples water. Maybe you supported them this day? I'm having a hard time telling as I would think any red-blooded american would find their actions warranted and in keeping with the principles of a functioning constitutional republic, yet you are you are always defending them and their actions. Minimizing at every chance. I get the feeling you wanted them to succeed.Damn, you're right. Those unarmed, unruly, unorganized Boomers nearly ended this great country!
The plan has been revealed. Its out there. With the help of GOP in congress they would have disputed the certification in court and used a legal process or argument(s) to return the certifications back to the state. There is some very vague and untested legal paths that allows each state to revisit or reassess their electors in contested elections. Had these gone to SCOTUS I think we can all assume how this court would have ruled in favor of state's rights. The GOP had fake slates of electors all ready to go in each swing state and with those in place and the majority of these states with GOP controlled state legislations, I think we can all piece together what would have happened. They would have nullified the initial electors and used the fake electors. All of this would have been occurring with a constant stream of BIG LIE social media and Fox News coverage/indoctrination using the BIG lie as cover to force through political action in the swing states and GOP in congress doing all they could to make that happen.
This is ridiculous. They had a plan and it was clearly defined. Stop the certification. Send the electors back to states. Let GOP controlled states reassess their electors and replace them with the fake electors that were ready to go on Jan 6. These are all facts that are in criminal investigation testimony and Jan 6 committee records, Jack Smith's filings in the Jan 6 case, facts from testimony and filings in the Georgia RICO case, facts and testimony from Rudy Guilianis defamation, admissions of guilt and proffers from Sydney Powell and Jenna Ellis, Kenneth Chesbro, and other Georgia RICO criminals.... Pence was also being pressured and was actively asking if he had the power to do so to other people, lawyers, even former VPs. It wasnt clear. It was an honor system, a formality. All he had to do was say hey...I'm not sure what to do here. We should halt and let the courts figure it out.
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If Pence did not have the power to do anything, why did the Uniparty quickly act to reform the law in regards to the VP's power? He did have the authority to send the count back to state legislatures to look further into possible election fraud.
This would be like your wife planning on having you murdered. She gets your in-laws to agree to pay for it. But the hitman she contacts is an undercover cop. The cop would never have done it so her plan could have never worked! Therefor none of them should be in trouble!