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I didn't compare trans to robbing a bank. By the same token you're comparing them to lightning strikes then. Are trans people lightning? No. I made an analogy to illustrate a point about morality. When it comes to morality it doesn't make something right if it happens 20 times verses 20,000 times. Wrong is wrong, and vulnerable children should not be mutilated.

Their own community is torn on their membership. LGBQ people are often at odds with T, or were you not aware? "LGBQ without the T" is often trending on Twitter, check it out. I have no problem with LGBQ whatsoever, and I don't really have a problem with the T personally unless we're talking kids and mutilation. I have multiple family members in that community and I support them. I see no problem there, and I don't see a discussion here about them, so why would they be addressed? Seems like we're in agreement there. Bottom line is you took an opportunity to take a swipe and push a false narrative that's untrue for political points. It was a low blow, but again, I expect no less.
Ok, so the morality of a child receiving gender affirming healthcare is the same as robbing a bank. Got it.

lolwut? San Francisco Pride includes them in their community. NYC pride does as well. I could go on and on with large pride festivals that include them. I'm not surprised there are fringe grifters that are pushing a narrative that isn't shared by the large majority. Like most things that people on the far right love, they do love some fringe hateful conspiracy. If the next response is "well you see here, I found this video of one gay person saying they don't like trans people so that means LGBQ don't like em!!" we'll have to agree to disagree because if you're not willing to take the statements of large pride organizations vs. fringe opinion confirming grifters then you're just deadset in that mindset.

Pitting groups of often disenfranchised people against each other to push dehumanizing rhetoric against one of them is pretty gross.
 

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Ok, so the morality of a child receiving gender affirming healthcare is the same as robbing a bank. Got it.

lolwut? San Francisco Pride includes them in their community. NYC pride does as well. I could go on and on with large pride festivals that include them. I'm not surprised there are fringe grifters that are pushing a narrative that isn't shared by the large majority. Like most things that people on the far right love, they do love some fringe hateful conspiracy. If the next response is "well you see here, I found this video of one gay person saying they don't like trans people so that means LGBQ don't like em!!" we'll have to agree to disagree because if you're not willing to take the statements of large pride organizations vs. fringe opinion confirming grifters then you're just deadset in that mindset.

Pitting groups of often disenfranchised people against each other to push dehumanizing rhetoric against one of them is pretty gross.

Bless your heart...again, did I say mutilating a child and robbing a bank are the same? The statement was made to illustrate the absurdity of your lightning strike comparison you're always touting, as if one lightning strike can't be damaging. When it comes to morality, wrong is wrong, doesn't matter how often it happens. Maybe you have no concept of morality and so the premise escapes you, I can't say. You can frame it with soft words all you want, but "gender affirming healthcare" is still taking a healthy child and irreversibly mutilating them. It's the war time soft language all over again, soldiers used to get Shell Shocked from battle, now it's Post Traumatic Stress Disorder because that's easier for people to sweep under the rug and believe it's not a problem.

You may have missed the point that conspiracy theorist conservatives aren't the ones pushing the "LGB without the T" topic. It's a civil war within the community itself, I'm just an observer. I don't have a dog in the fight, I'm not pitting anyone against anyone. Yes, the majority is in agreement, I only brought it up because you said T is part of the LGBTQ membership, but obviously many members don't feel that way. It's not really pertinent to the topic, it came up because the Vortex pulled in LGBQ and made a bogus statement. Again, I don't have any problems with LGBQ, I support them, and I support T if it doesn't involve pushing kids into life altering decisions. Suggesting otherwise is quite a load of bullshit just to score some petty internet points.
 

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Yeah being trans is similar to crime. Bang up job. I can't wait for the most precious thing in my life to come into the world and instantly I become filled with hate for minority groups of people. "Son, now that you're here I have become so hate filled that I want to know what genitals your classmates have. If you can find out that would be great. Gotta make sure the integrity of U9 soccer is upheld."
You being an idiot. Bang up job. Nobody is saying they are similar. This is you trying to win an argument. Nobody is saying they hate anyone. This is you making up more stuff to win an argument and not have one. I pray you don’t have kids, the world doesn’t need more of you.
 

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You always think so highly of us. No one said anything about LGBQ, we're strictly talking T here and specifically related to vulnerable kids that have life altering procedures pushed on them by parents and quacks. That's a bit of a twisted move quite frankly, trying to link LGBQ negatively to the debate, but whatever. It's not the first time, not surprised.
Its the classic Toronto Vortex.
 

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Lousy? How. Being trans is not controllable, and if you believe it to be controllable please explain.

See my response to Blazers. What value does providing an age to transition? This only provides value if you agree with me that there should be transition services available to people. If you believe there should be no gender affirming surgeries performed then it doesn't provide any value. I've stated above that I honestly don't know and would leave it to the healthcare professionals to say when is the appropriate time.
Yes it's still a lousy comparison. You can't control when lightening strikes or the damage it does, but you can control the steps and measures taken with a child when there is a question about whether they are a trans or not.

You're in for a wake-up call when that first one arrives.
 

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You being an idiot. Bang up job. Nobody is saying they are similar. This is you trying to win an argument. Nobody is saying they hate anyone. This is you making up more stuff to win an argument and not have one. I pray you don’t have kids, the world doesn’t need more of you.
Win an argument? lol I don't keep score.

Too bad, I plan on spawning in great kids who are accepting of others and for things they don't understand I will encourage them to seek out more information because their dad won't be an expert in everything. It's no wonder some "conservatives" are pushing home schooling, "conservative" views are fading out and it's scaring the shit out of them.

Yes it's still a lousy comparison. You can't control when lightening strikes or the damage it does, but you can control the steps and measures taken with a child when there is a question about whether they are a trans or not.

You're in for a wake-up call when that first one arrives.
You can't control whether someone is trans or not. If they're trans they'll eventually go through the process. You can reduce any potential harm by not holding up a golf club in a storm ie. introduce your kid to medical professionals so they can make the best medical determination. Do you think gender affirming surgery should be available for adults?

I'm extremely doubtful I'll become more hateful within the next couple of years. I'll keep you posted and maybe you'll like me more.

Bless your heart...again, did I say mutilating a child and robbing a bank are the same? The statement was made to illustrate the absurdity of your lightning strike comparison you're always touting, as if one lightning strike can't be damaging. When it comes to morality, wrong is wrong, doesn't matter how often it happens. Maybe you have no concept of morality and so the premise escapes you, I can't say. You can frame it with soft words all you want, but "gender affirming healthcare" is still taking a healthy child and irreversibly mutilating them. It's the war time soft language all over again, soldiers used to get Shell Shocked from battle, now it's Post Traumatic Stress Disorder because that's easier for people to sweep under the rug and believe it's not a problem.

You may have missed the point that conspiracy theorist conservatives aren't the ones pushing the "LGB without the T" topic. It's a civil war within the community itself, I'm just an observer. I don't have a dog in the fight, I'm not pitting anyone against anyone. Yes, the majority is in agreement, I only brought it up because you said T is part of the LGBTQ membership, but obviously many members don't feel that way. It's not really pertinent to the topic, it came up because the Vortex pulled in LGBQ and made a bogus statement. Again, I don't have any problems with LGBQ, I support them, and I support T if it doesn't involve pushing kids into life altering decisions. Suggesting otherwise is quite a load of bullshit just to score some petty internet points.
They are medical terms by actual medical doctors, I didn't make these up. You're the one using scare words used by propagandists haha.

It's not a civil war, at all. Swing and miss yet again. How many pride parades have you been to, since you're in the trenches on this I'm guessing you've spent a great deal of time fighting for the rights of LGBQ people and not just using them to shame trans people. The great majority of any LGBQ person will support a trans person, believing otherwise is insane.

Do you really think trans people are saying "Hey kids sign up for a life of torment it's actually really great!" that is insane cognitive dissonance.
 

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Bottom line is all that should not be pushed on a child before they're of age.
I agree, and based on the stats Toronto posted it doesn’t appear that it is. 200 kids in the whole country without any context is an extremely small number. Fox News would have you believe it’s 200 per school district.

Just another bullshit cultural war pushed on people so everyone is fighting and ignoring shit that actually matters.
 

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Win an argument? lol I don't keep score.

Too bad, I plan on spawning in great kids who are accepting of others and for things they don't understand I will encourage them to seek out more information because their dad won't be an expert in everything. It's no wonder some "conservatives" are pushing home schooling, "conservative" views are fading out and it's scaring the shit out of them.
You are epitome of someone who argues in bad faith. You dissect and divert every word to deflect away any point that is obviously being made. You think it makes you look smart but it just makes you look like a fool. You are a troll with an ax to grind.

Conservative views fading out just like the country and the world is fading out. Which is why we don’t need more of you.
 

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I agree, and based on the stats Toronto posted it doesn’t appear that it is. 200 kids in the whole country without any context is an extremely small number. Fox News would have you believe it’s 200 per school district.

Just another bullshit cultural war pushed on people so everyone is fighting and ignoring shit that actually matters.
It’s about setting a precedent. We allow this so then what’s next. It’s no coincidence the further LGBTQXYZ movement gets the closer the pedos get to wanting rights of their own. And it’s not a coincidence the pedos use the same gay arguments to further their cause. Pedos are currently using AI to generate their child porn and since they are not exploiting an actual child they are trying to argue their right to do it. Welcome to 2024 and the bullshit culture wars.
 

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You are epitome of someone who argues in bad faith. You dissect and divert every word to deflect away any point that is obviously being made. You think it makes you look smart but it just makes you look like a fool. You are a troll with an ax to grind.

Conservative views fading out just like the country and the world is fading out. Which is why we don’t need more of you.
Yeah I'm the troll. I've walked you like a dog in any argument I'll send you a collar if you'd like. You can't argue any traditional "conservative" views so you stick to culture war type stuff.

Don't need more of me lol if I said this about you I would get a bunch of down votes. The world always need potholes to be fixed so I encourage you to keep populating.
 

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Yeah I'm the troll. I've walked you like a dog in any argument I'll send you a collar if you'd like. You can't argue any traditional "conservative" views so you stick to culture war type stuff.

Don't need more of me lol if I said this about you I would get a bunch of down votes. The world always need potholes to be fixed so I encourage you to keep populating.
But you don’t keep score, 😂 🤡 I can provide you a link where you said you don’t if you need it. Poor Toronto upset he might get some down votes, but who’s keeping score, am I right!! 😂 😭

Potholes lol, that’s great. Sadly for you I’m linked to years of generational wealth so while it sounds like a good work out or maybe even a great volunteer opportunity I’ll let you fill those holes with calculators and spreadsheets. Maybe all this time you spend googling links and graphs to mask your inadequate intellect could be used on these potholes.
 
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Too bad, I plan on spawning in great kids who are accepting of others and for things they don't understand I will encourage them to seek out more information because their dad won't be an expert in everything. It's no wonder some "conservatives" are pushing home schooling, "conservative" views are fading out and it's scaring the shit out of them.


You can't control whether someone is trans or not. If they're trans they'll eventually go through the process. You can reduce any potential harm by not holding up a golf club in a storm ie. introduce your kid to medical professionals so they can make the best medical determination. Do you think gender affirming surgery should be available for adults?
You might want to reread my post. I never said you can't control whether someone is trans or not.

I said "You can't control when lightening strikes or the damage it does, but you can control the steps and measures taken with a child when there is a question about whether they are a trans or not".

Now follow me here. That's where you don't rush into making a mistake you can't undo. If they are truly trans then they can make that decision when they are of legal consent and more mature. You act like delaying a child life altering surgery is a crime against humanity.
 

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But you don’t keep score, 😂 🤡 I can provide you a link where you said you don’t if you need it. Poor Toronto upset he might get some down votes, but who’s keeping score, am I right!! 😂 😭

Potholes lol, that’s great. Sadly for you I’m linked to years of generational wealth so while it sounds like a good work out or maybe even a great volunteer opportunity I’ll let you fill those holes with calculators and spreadsheets. Maybe all this time you spend googling links and graphs to mask your inadequate intellect could be used on these potholes.
There's no need to keep score with you lol. This is the Globetrotters vs Generals.

"Linked" I haven't seen something more entitled than that. Talk about not making your own way for yourself. No wonder you're on here speaking about how society is crumbling or how multiculturalism is destroying nations. Putting bike chains on kids bikes in nowheresville New Mexico isn't exactly Wall Street, so I guess it does make sense that someone else has provided for you. Maybe the kids at the bike store didn't respect you because you acted like an entitled brat who's just using Daddy or wifey's money to play boss for a few hours a day.

You couldn't afford me anyways, now your parents or wife might be able but I'll let you bring coffees if you promise to be a good boy.

You might want to reread my post. I never said you can't control whether someone is trans or not.

I said "You can't control when lightening strikes or the damage it does, but you can control the steps and measures taken with a child when there is a question about whether they are a trans or not".

Now follow me here. That's where you don't rush into making a mistake you can't undo. If they are truly trans then they can make that decision when they are of legal consent and more mature. You act like delaying a child life altering surgery is a crime against humanity.

I'm saying outlawing entirely from happening to anyone below the age of 18 is wrong, I want the doctors to be the ones to make that call not you or I. There would be no Lionel Messi without gender affirming care.
 

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There would be no Lionel Messi without gender affirming care.
Oof, that's a good stretch. I didn't know injecting yourself with hormones for a deficiency was gender affirming care! I thought we were letting doctors do that stuff, you know, the professionals? I can see where you got the information though, a lot of trans allies in athletics are pretty mad about Messi's injections, but he's also not playing against women so...
 

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Oof, that's a good stretch. I didn't know injecting yourself with hormones for a deficiency was gender affirming care! I thought we were letting doctors do that stuff, you know, the professionals? I can see where you got the information though, a lot of trans allies in athletics are pretty mad about Messi's injections, but he's also not playing against women so...
You think childhood Messi is scavenging the streets for hormones? Or that he went to a doctor got diagnosed and treated it? How is that any different than what I'm suggesting lmao.

You say "trans allies" as if it's a bad thing, I thought we were only against "pushing surgery on kids"? Are you a trans ally?
 

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You think childhood Messi is scavenging the streets for hormones? Or that he went to a doctor got diagnosed and treated it? How is that any different than what I'm suggesting lmao.

You say "trans allies" as if it's a bad thing, I thought we were only against "pushing surgery on kids"? Are you a trans ally?
$1000-$1500 a month, and the club he played for as a kid backed out on paying. If his parents had that kind of money for hormones they didn't necessarily have to go through a doctor. All I've seen him say is that he injected them himself. Was Messi a girl and transitioned into a boy? A hormone deficiency is not the same as affirming a gender other than then one you were assigned at birth lol.

Deflect, deflect, deflect. I didn't have any tone when I mentioned "trans allies," that's you jumping to conclusions again. When looking at articles about the Messi comment I just noticed there's a lot of backlash, people want to use it as an excuse to allow biological males to play in women's sports. I can support trans athletes participating in sports and at the same time protect women's sports, they're not mutually exclusive. Both have their place.
 
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$1000-$1500 a month, and the club he played for as a kid backed out on paying. If his parents had that kind of money for hormones they didn't necessarily have to go through a doctor. All I've seen him say is that he injected them himself. Was Messi a girl and transitioned into a boy? A hormone deficiency is not the same as affirming a gender other than then one you were assigned at birth lol.

Deflect, deflect, deflect. I didn't have any tone when I mentioned "trans allies," that's you jumping to conclusions again. When looking at articles about the Messi comment I just noticed there's a lot of backlash, people want to use it as an excuse to allow biological males to play in women's sports. I can support trans athletes participating in sports and at the same time protect women's sports, they're not mutually exclusive. Both have their place.
lol wait, the point your hung up on is that he injected them himself? How do you think he got the diagnosis of having GHD? Could it be that.....a doctor made that diagnosis? Barcelona paid for the treatment!!! Do you think a tier 1 club like that doesn't have a team doctor??? Holy man.

You'll be SHOCKED to find out that a lot of hormone's given to people aren't just for trans people. Which will get hurt if the fringe crusaders get their way.

Ok, if you have no tone, would you consider yourself to be a trans ally - yes or no. If yes, what kind of trans community ideals or things do you support?
 

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There's no need to keep score with you lol. This is the Globetrotters vs Generals.

"Linked" I haven't seen something more entitled than that. Talk about not making your own way for yourself. No wonder you're on here speaking about how society is crumbling or how multiculturalism is destroying nations. Putting bike chains on kids bikes in nowheresville New Mexico isn't exactly Wall Street, so I guess it does make sense that someone else has provided for you. Maybe the kids at the bike store didn't respect you because you acted like an entitled brat who's just using Daddy or wifey's money to play boss for a few hours a day.

You couldn't afford me anyways, now your parents or wife might be able but I'll let you bring coffees if you promise to be a good boy.
You don’t keep score but you remember I once owned a sporting goods store in New Mexico. It’s like you have a file on me, I am truly honored for being a remembered nobody at least. Can you please just admit you argue in bad faith and just do this for the dopamine rush of winning arguments and trolling people? You are like the Conor Stallions of Irish Envy with a file and film on everyone.

I lived in one of the poorest cities in one of the poorest states, went on missions trips south of the border (which you should have documented in your Blazer File) and you bash it like I’m the nobody. Well played Mr Wall Street, glad you to see I’m not the one with their nose stuck in the ceiling. Looking down at the poors in NM because they ain’t Wall Street, lol. What a shame. I can’t afford you, there isn’t enough money in the world to buy all your bullshit.
 

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lol wait, the point your hung up on is that he injected them himself? How do you think he got the diagnosis of having GHD? Could it be that.....a doctor made that diagnosis? Barcelona paid for the treatment!!! Do you think a tier 1 club like that doesn't have a team doctor??? Holy man.

You'll be SHOCKED to find out that a lot of hormone's given to people aren't just for trans people. Which will get hurt if the fringe crusaders get their way.

Ok, if you have no tone, would you consider yourself to be a trans ally - yes or no. If yes, what kind of trans community ideals or things do you support?
Messi was playing for Newell's in Argentina when he was told he had a deficiency. His parents first injected him, then he began doing it himself. Newell's originally promised to pay for the treatments, then backed out. This was before Barcelona lol, long before he was pro. I don't even know why we're fighting about this, the fact you think Messi's case falls under gender affirming care is laugh out loud hilarious. It's like painting a cat grey and calling it an elephant. Gender affirming care, as defined by the WHO and AAMC:
Gender-affirming care, as defined by the World Health Organization, encompasses a range of social, psychological, behavioral, and medical interventions “designed to support and affirm an individual’s gender identity” when it conflicts with the gender they were assigned at birth.
Again, last I checked Messi wasn't born female. He had a hormone deficiency lol.

I support trans protections and movements as long as they don't interfere with other protected minorities or deal with harming children. I support them receiving medical care in all facets, and if they so choose as an adult they can make medical decisions to physically mutilate their body if they so choose, but not before. I support trans athletes participating in sports as long as it doesn't entail biological men playing against women. That's about all the time I have right now for your "gotcha" question.
 

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You don’t keep score but you remember I once owned a sporting goods store in New Mexico. It’s like you have a file on me, I am truly honored for being a remembered nobody at least. Can you please just admit you argue in bad faith and just do this for the dopamine rush of winning arguments and trolling people? You are like the Conor Stallions of Irish Envy with a file and film on everyone.

I lived in one of the poorest cities in one of the poorest states, went on missions trips south of the border (which you should have documented in your Blazer File) and you bash it like I’m the nobody. Well played Mr Wall Street, glad you to see I’m not the one with their nose stuck in the ceiling. Looking down at the poors in NM because they ain’t Wall Street, lol. What a shame. I can’t afford you, there isn’t enough money in the world to buy all your bullshit.
We’re arguing out culture war shit. There is no winner, it’s just a time bomb before you get upset and then start down the rabbit hole of how I’ll be a bad dad or whatever ad hominen. Then I’ll respond back with something of my own and then you’ll say I’m stuck up (which is true) rinse repeat we’ll do it again.

There is a dopamine hit of arguing, it’s a better release for us to do it on a forum rather than ranting and raving in public. It’s like taking a dog out for a walk before bed, your wife should thank me that you get to scream at a blue hair.
 

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Messi was playing for Newell's in Argentina when he was told he had a deficiency. His parents first injected him, then he began doing it himself. Newell's originally promised to pay for the treatments, then backed out. This was before Barcelona lol, long before he was pro. I don't even know why we're fighting about this, the fact you think Messi's case falls under gender affirming care is laugh out loud hilarious. It's like painting a cat grey and calling it an elephant. Gender affirming care, as defined by the WHO and AAMC:

Again, last I checked Messi wasn't born female. He had a hormone deficiency lol.

I support trans protections and movements as long as they don't interfere with other protected minorities or deal with harming children. I support them receiving medical care in all facets, and if they so choose as an adult they can make medical decisions to physically mutilate their body if they so choose, but not before. I support trans athletes participating in sports as long as it doesn't entail biological men playing against women. That's about all the time I have right now for your "gotcha" question.
Gender affirming care is given to cisgender people all the time. Messi receiving it AFFIRMED his gender as being male.

Similar stories like this spring up. With removing gender affirming care for kids you open the door for countless cisgender kids to not receive treatment they need.

This poor kid was growing breasts as a 12 year old boy who wanted to not have them anymore. If we’re going to take the full stop “NO” that you/Irish#1 have argued for hurts not just trans kids but cisgender kids too. I can’t believe “leave it to the doctors” is causing this much a stir.

 

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We’re arguing out culture war shit. There is no winner, it’s just a time bomb before you get upset and then start down the rabbit hole of how I’ll be a bad dad or whatever ad hominen. Then I’ll respond back with something of my own and then you’ll say I’m stuck up (which is true) rinse repeat we’ll do it again.

There is a dopamine hit of arguing, it’s a better release for us to do it on a forum rather than ranting and raving in public. It’s like taking a dog out for a walk before bed, your wife should thank me that you get to scream at a blue hair.
I disagree. Arguing and talking in public is a lost art. The dopamine rush from human interaction beats this any day. Which is probably why I am married with kids and friends and you are you. It I get it now, this is your cocaine. Explains a lot. Enjoy.
 

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I disagree. Arguing and talking in public is a lost art. The dopamine rush from human interaction beats this any day. Which is probably why I am married with kids and friends and you are you. It I get it now, this is your cocaine. Explains a lot. Enjoy.
I discuss those with intellectual people who aren’t scared of multiculturalism and move to the boonies preaching about home schooling. But yes, the guy who thinks multiculturalism is bad is the super cool guy with all the friends. I have a steady relationship and can support myself with or without my “links to generational wealth” that only someone who’s certainly very secure would mention lmao. Hopefully wifey can increase the allowance so you can go discuss the crumbling of society!
 

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It’s about setting a precedent. We allow this so then what’s next. It’s no coincidence the further LGBTQXYZ movement gets the closer the pedos get to wanting rights of their own. And it’s not a coincidence the pedos use the same gay arguments to further their cause. Pedos are currently using AI to generate their child porn and since they are not exploiting an actual child they are trying to argue their right to do it. Welcome to 2024 and the bullshit culture wars.
Dear lord.

Touch grass.
 

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I disagree. Arguing and talking in public is a lost art. The dopamine rush from human interaction beats this any day. Which is probably why I am married with kids and friends and you are you. It I get it now, this is your cocaine. Explains a lot. Enjoy.
I’d be willing to bet you have a more punchable face than JJ McCarthy, your “friends” secretly hate you, and as soon as your father in law crokes, your wife will be gone so fast that even with your 10.7 100m speed you won’t be able to catch her.
 

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I discuss those with intellectual people who aren’t scared of multiculturalism and move to the boonies preaching about home schooling. But yes, the guy who thinks multiculturalism is bad is the super cool guy with all the friends. I have a steady relationship and can support myself with or without my “links to generational wealth” that only someone who’s certainly very secure would mention lmao. Hopefully wifey can increase the allowance so you can go discuss the crumbling of society!
But you don’t. You can maybe pretend but you’ve fabulously displayed you’re in it to score points. You can call me insecure if you wish as you parade around like I’m some poor from the dusty ass crack of America in NM, I agree the place sucks. Or that I’m a spoiled brat because my family has money… but you’re just playing on stereotypes. Or maybe I’m a radical Christian for going on missions trips… or that I’m QAnon for liking the movie Sound of Freedom. We disagree on things and you immediately drop the phobias and the ists. Those aren’t intellectual arguments, those are your own “ad homonems” you accuse others of using.
 
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Sea Turtle

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We all need to stop attacking each other, talking past each other, spinning and trying to score points. Myself included.

Let's all try to understand where everybody is coming from. We all have different and unique viewpoints and life experiences.
 
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