Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[Giddyup]

what are you talking about?

Why would they be sitting out of a bowl game?

 

[PutuporShutup]

Why would they be sitting out of a bowl game?

ah, my bad, thought you meant this duke game. lol

With that said, if we aren't in the CFP and they get a good draft grade, yea, good chance they sit out. Don't agree with it, but it is what it is.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

I would because you gotta figure any bowl game we make Hartman, OLt and Audric are all sitting out most likely so you are gonna roll out a QB whose never played and a brand new LT?

Hartman is currently graded as a round 7/UDFA guy. He needs every single chance he can get to upgrade his stock

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Nick Saban, widely known as the best CFB of all time, hired a new OC and let him bring along a QB. Wink wink.

Nobody is immune from colossal mistakes, no matter how seasoned they are.


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[Irishdrunk]

Hartman is currently graded as a round 7/UDFA guy. He needs every single chance he can get to upgrade his stock

Well, not knowing where the first down marker certainly can’t help!

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Kirby Smart faked a punt on 4th and 11 in the 2018 SEC Championship Game. Only to fail. Had Justin Fields in the game and Fields was NEVER on punt team. It was obvious to anyone what was going on.

I've seen a few people bring this up this week in reference to Marcus Freeman. I honestly don't remember this at all. Not quite the same thing, but it had people questioning whether Smart was in over his head at UGA. No one questions that now.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Kirby Smart faked a punt on 4th and 11 in the 2018 SEC Championship Game. Only to fail. Had Justin Fields in the game and Fields was NEVER on punt team. It was obvious to anyone what was going on.

I've seen a few people bring this up this week in reference to Marcus Freeman. I honestly don't remember this at all. Not quite the same thing, but it had people questioning whether Smart was in over his head at UGA. No one questions that now.

Whatever makes you feel better. I am sure there are great analogies with Saban, Meyer and Holtz, too.

But I am sure there are plenty w Faust, Davie and Willingham that would heartened the Berniece’s ND faithful too. Lol.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Kirby Smart faked a punt on 4th and 11 in the 2018 SEC Championship Game. Only to fail. Had Justin Fields in the game and Fields was NEVER on punt team. It was obvious to anyone what was going on.

I've seen a few people bring this up this week in reference to Marcus Freeman. I honestly don't remember this at all. Not quite the same thing, but it had people questioning whether Smart was in over his head at UGA. No one questions that now.

If Freeman makes a bone head mistake that costs us in the CFP this year, much easier to live with vs a coach that can't even come close to getting there.

This 2023 team is good enough to get there and win it all. We lost one game due to coaching. Can not lose anymore.

I'd love to be talking about our issues after we go 11-1 like you mention above on Smart in 2018. IF Nd is 11-1 after Stanford this year, people, myself included will have forgiven (not forgotten) the OSU blunders.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I seem to remember Kelly messing up on a few boneheaded decisions in the past.

And Kirby smart.
And Nick Saban

I know we all want Jesus incarnate to be the coach, but we have to see how Freeman learns from all of this.

Unlike Kelly and Charlie etc - I think Freeman's pissed off and firey attitude is one that I'm willing to put faith in

 

[PutuporShutup]

I seem to remember Kelly messing up on a few boneheaded decisions in the past.

And Kirby smart.
And Nick Saban

I know we all want Jesus incarnate to be the coach, but we have to see how Freeman learns from all of this.

Unlike Kelly and Charlie etc - I think Freeman's pissed off and firey attitude is one that I'm willing to put faith in

Absolutely...... But not 10 in the same game, with 6 or 7 of them coming in the last 2.5 minutes when everyone had a chance to help win the game and offense, defense, special teams, and coaching all failed. Every aspect of the team frichan failed the last 2.5 minutes, not just a singular decision.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Absolutely...... But not 10 in the same game, with 6 or 7 of them coming in the last 2.5 minutes when everyone had a chance to help win the game and offense, defense, special teams, and coaching all failed. Every aspect of the team frichan failed the last 2.5 minutes, not just a singular decision.

I hear what you're saying
But at the same time
It was all just "one game".
Yes it was an insanely big game. And yes there were a ton of mistakes. But also there was good too.
He/staff messed up one game.

We all knew that Freeman hire was going to have some growing pains that say a Fickell or other might have less of, but we also knew the man who would learn and push through those mistakes.

Marcus was a long term investment and I'm still all in. Remember how many years it took Holtz to make it? Kelly? 3. Kirby? More.

It's a marathon unfortunately and I know ND has been running forever but Freeman is just starting his

 

[PutuporShutup]

I hear what you're saying
But at the same time
It was all just "one game".
Yes it was an insanely big game. And yes there were a ton of mistakes. But also there was good too.
He/staff messed up one game.

We all knew that Freeman hire was going to have some growing pains that say a Fickell or other might have less of, but we also knew the man who would learn and push through those mistakes.

Marcus was a long term investment and I'm still all in. Remember how many years it took Holtz to make it? Kelly? 3. Kirby? More.

It's a marathon unfortunately and I know ND has been running forever but Freeman is just starting his

I'm all in if this is a great season! 10-2 and i'll be very blah but still hopeful. This is a team IMO that's better than every team we play on our regular season schedule, i think we showed it and really coaching is what will hold us back. Can NOT lose to duke, and in reality need to somewhat dominate.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm all in if this is a great season! 10-2 and i'll be very blah but still hopeful. This is a team IMO that's better than every team we play on our regular season schedule, i think we showed it and really coaching is what will hold us back. Can NOT lose to duke, and in reality need to somewhat dominate.

You can say inexperienced coaching is holding us back (and I partially agree) but a lot of the "mistakes" could be highlights if the players would have executed better too.

Hartman has to convert that first 4th down turnover. Notre dame has to intercept or bar down the Cade Stover completion. Xavier can't miss Henderson in open space. DJ Brown (still too sick to talk about it).

The 3rd and 19 prevent alignment killed me. I knew what was about to happen. The 10 men on the field (yes player should know) but still on the coaches.

But the coaches technically did do enough to win that game, even with their faults.

Hear me say, I'm not about throwing kids under the bus. Coaches should absorb their blame (and they're getting it from me) but both things can be true. The coaches did so well, and also bad. This isnt the same coaching failure to me as say the Miami and Michigan blow outs where Kelly straight up failed before the game even kicked off.

The coaches need to continue to mitigate their mistakes, that way when the kids make their inevitable mistakes, the margin for error is greater and still room for success.

 

[AllTimeIrish]

People criticizing Freeman honestly need to tell us how they have been perfect at their jobs since day 1. Seriously, lol. Keyboard warriors are very quick to judge and beat someone down because they didn't get their piece of candy that weekend.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I know we all want Jesus incarnate to be the coach, but we have to see how Freeman learns from all of this.

The administration would love this because he'd probably work for free right?

Recruiting would be better than the Holtz Cerrato years. Jesus was great with kids.

He'd be working for the school named after his mom, though. Nepotism!

 

[PutuporShutup]

You can say inexperienced coaching is holding us back (and I partially agree) but a lot of the "mistakes" could be highlights if the players would have executed better too.

Hartman has to convert that first 4th down turnover. Notre dame has to intercept or bar down the Cade Stover completion. Xavier can't miss Henderson in open space. DJ Brown (still too sick to talk about it).

The 3rd and 19 prevent alignment killed me. I knew what was about to happen. The 10 men on the field (yes player should know) but still on the coaches.

But the coaches technically did do enough to win that game, even with their faults.

Hear me say, I'm not about throwing kids under the bus. Coaches should absorb their blame (and they're getting it from me) but both things can be true. The coaches did so well, and also bad. This isnt the same coaching failure to me as say the Miami and Michigan blow outs where Kelly straight up failed before the game even kicked off.

The coaches need to continue to mitigate their mistakes, that way when the kids make their inevitable mistakes, the margin for error is greater and still room for success.

Yes, players could have made plays, but other than the DJ brown brutal drop on soft easy pass, the players weren't put in great spots to make plays. Both fourth down calls were terrible, obviously terrible in the call, prep, and execution. The last 3 plays on offense were terrible calls, the defense 3rd and 19 was a terrible call and so poorly coached, even coming out of a timeout, then 2 plays in a row with 10 on the field.

So yes, players could have made plays despite the coaches NOT putting them in a good spot to succeed.

Hartman first fourth down play - Yeah he should have got first down, but OSU LB should have tackled him for 6 yd loss, that's not what the play was designed to do, hartman was improvising on a terrible play call that failed miserably.

Hartman second fourth down play - Terrible play call for a full yard to gain, a timeout should have been called when coaches saw their alignment. There was no one even there to push him. Every qb sneak has someone pushing them now for the last 10 years.

Slow run play with 2 backs on final drive - Terrible play call, players had no chance running that vs 9/10 in the box going all out to stop the run

Screen pass, risky, hartman could have executed better for sure, should have been less risky and probably a run play

3rd and 19 coming off a timeout and all of our defenders defended the goal line, inexcusable they weren't coached to defend the first down coming out of a timeout

As bad as DJ Brown played against OSU, he needs to play well this week and make a big play, if he doesn't, his confidence probably should be so shot that you gotta get carter ready to play, because it's not henderson either.

 

[mrmcgrail]

Watching the Parker press conference hartman fucked up on that big loss on 1st down he opened up the wrong way for the handoff which threw the play off even something like that he opens to the correct side even if it's a zero gain they probably don't throw on 2nd down and it's a different game

 

[forkbeard3777]

I hear what you're saying
But at the same time
It was all just "one game".
Yes it was an insanely big game. And yes there were a ton of mistakes. But also there was good too.
He/staff messed up one game.

We all knew that Freeman hire was going to have some growing pains that say a Fickell or other might have less of, but we also knew the man who would learn and push through those mistakes.

Marcus was a long term investment and I'm still all in. Remember how many years it took Holtz to make it? Kelly? 3. Kirby? More.

It's a marathon unfortunately and I know ND has been running forever but Freeman is just starting his

In his second year ever as a HC, Kirby had Georgia playing in the NC game.

 

[forkbeard3777]

People criticizing Freeman honestly need to tell us how they have been perfect at their jobs since day 1. Seriously, lol. Keyboard warriors are very quick to judge and beat someone down because they didn't get their piece of candy that weekend.

I blame him for the defensive meltdown in the end. He's a defensive guy - he played linebacker at a blueblood school and in the NFL. He was a grad assistant at Ohio State. He was a linebackers coach at Kent State. He's been a co-defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Purdue and Cincinnati. Prior to being named head coach, he was the sole defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Notre Dame. Point being, the 10-man debacle is on him and his defensive staff. He's been in the game - especially with the defensive units - long enough that he should know what to do and how to run the defensive unit with efficiency. To not have a defensive lineman in while on the goal line is just mind boggling. I never bought is excuse / reasoning either - I don't think anyone had a clue (or, at least it wasn't relayed in time) until after Ohio State scored, maybe until the end of the game - to not know something arguably sounds worse.

Oh yeah, and this....




I do not blame him for the offense, though. Look, call a spade a spade. He didn't want GP as his OC. We all know he tried his best to get Lugwig, an elite hire. The hire ups got in the way and botched that deal.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Kirby Smart faked a punt on 4th and 11 in the 2018 SEC Championship Game. Only to fail. Had Justin Fields in the game and Fields was NEVER on punt team. It was obvious to anyone what was going on.

I've seen a few people bring this up this week in reference to Marcus Freeman. I honestly don't remember this at all. Not quite the same thing, but it had people questioning whether Smart was in over his head at UGA. No one questions that now.

They literally played in the NC the year before. I don't think anyone thought that Smart was "in over his head at UGA."

 

[PutuporShutup]

In his second year ever as a HC, Kirby had Georgia playing in the NC game.

and went into halftime up 13-0 in that game.

Lets go win a championship!

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

They literally played in the NC the year before. I don't think anyone thought that Smart was "in over his head at UGA."

Time flies.

I honestly thought that was his second season. It was his third.

He still got fucking killed for it, so whatever.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I hear what you're saying
But at the same time
It was all just "one game".
Yes it was an insanely big game. And yes there were a ton of mistakes. But also there was good too.
He/staff messed up one game.

We all knew that Freeman hire was going to have some growing pains that say a Fickell or other might have less of, but we also knew the man who would learn and push through those mistakes.

Marcus was a long term investment and I'm still all in. Remember how many years it took Holtz to make it? Kelly? 3. Kirby? More.

It's a marathon unfortunately and I know ND has been running forever but Freeman is just starting his

NAILED it with that one sentence.

 

[AllTimeIrish]

I blame him for the defensive meltdown in the end. He's a defensive guy - he played linebacker at a blueblood school and in the NFL. He was a grad assistant at Ohio State. He was a linebackers coach at Kent State. He's been a co-defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Purdue and Cincinnati. Prior to being named head coach, he was the sole defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Notre Dame. Point being, the 10-man debacle is on him and his defensive staff. He's been in the game - especially with the defensive units - long enough that he should know what to do and how to run the defensive unit with efficiency. To not have a defensive lineman in while on the goal line is just mind boggling. I never bought is excuse / reasoning either - I don't think anyone had a clue (or, at least it wasn't relayed in time) until after Ohio State scored, maybe until the end of the game - to not know something arguably sounds worse.

Oh yeah, and this....




I do not blame him for the offense, though. Look, call a spade a spade. He didn't want GP as his OC. We all know he tried his best to get Lugwig, an elite hire. The hire ups got in the way and botched that deal.

He is the head coach and has other responsibilities on game day. Someone else is responsible for substitutions. That being said, he is ultimately responsible for the coaches that handle that, and I would expect him to get it corrected.

 

[forkbeard3777]

He is the head coach and has other responsibilities on game day. Someone else is responsible for substitutions. That being said, he is ultimately responsible for the coaches that handle that, and I would expect him to get it corrected.

As you can see in the video I posted, it has happened before in the TSU game.

 

[AllTimeIrish]

As you can see in the video I posted, it has happened before in the TSU game.

I get it. Pound your point home, lol.

Obviously it is an issue with his team that he needs to correct, and it happened more than once. We all agree on that.

I also would point out, having run large organizations, that cultural change takes a bit of time. That is, if it is done right. And screaming at everyone threatening firings rarely changes things for the better. Rather, it is a teaching moment that needs to be done with firmness and developed over time.

Give it time, and if this is till happening in year 2, then we can start calling for people to be fired. Remember, Freeman is a first time coach, and not one doing it for the past 40 years. There will be mistakes and learning experiences along the way. People that thought he was going to come in and be perfect and a savior right off the bat were being unrealistic.

In other words, I would encourage people not to allow their frustration at losses, having been built up over the last few decades (including me), to prevent them from seeing if Freeman is going to be the right guy just because their time frame for success is different from his. If you want immediate satisfaction, the game last week at Oregon should have taught us that change is often incremental and iterative even for coaches with very high expectations coming in.

And that this post, I am stepping out of the argument for now because I have a business to run and the workday has already started for me. Have a blessed day.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I get it. Pound your point home, lol.

Obviously it is an issue with his team that he needs to correct, and it happened more than once. We all agree on that.

I also would point out, having run large organizations, that cultural change takes a bit of time. That is, if it is done right. And screaming at everyone threatening firings rarely changes things for the better. Rather, it is a teaching moment that needs to be done with firmness and developed over time.

Give it time, and if this is till happening in year 2, then we can start calling for people to be fired. Remember, Freeman is a first time coach, and not one doing it for the past 40 years. There will be mistakes and learning experiences along the way. People that thought he was going to come in and be perfect and a savior right off the bat were being unrealistic.

In other words, I would encourage people not to allow their frustration at losses, having been built up over the last few decades (including me), to prevent them from seeing if Freeman is going to be the right guy just because their time frame for success is different from his. If you want immediate satisfaction, the game last week at Oregon should have taught us that change is often incremental and iterative even for coaches with very high expectations coming in.

And that this post, I am stepping out of the argument for now because I have a business to run and the workday has already started for me. Have a blessed day.

We're in year two. Either freeman didn't think something needed fixed after TSU and made no changes, or he did and they either didn't work or weren't followed. Either way, it's bad.

People subbing in and communicating/doing their job is not a culture change it's competency. Right now, no one should believe we have a competent staff regarding game day coaching. They've shown the ability to recruit, build a game plan and have the team ready to play against top teams, but not manage the team/processes and call plays properly in tight games.

 

[mrmcgrail]

I mean people have 10 or 12 guys on the field happen that isn't that crazy of a thing but I'm pretty sure all 3 times it was a d lineman so now it's becoming an issue with Washington and grabbing his guys and getting them out there

 

[PutuporShutup]

I mean people have 10 or 12 guys on the field happen that isn't that crazy of a thing but I'm pretty sure all 3 times it was a d lineman so now it's becoming an issue with Washington and grabbing his guys and getting them out there

Yep, it's really not difficult either.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

For a guy in his second full season that's supposedly "learning on the fly", Marcus Freeman is winning football games. You'd think that as he continues to grow and the program continues to develop, he's only going to get better and the wins are going to continue to pile up. I'm sure there will be plenty to bitch about regardless, but it sure is looking like these guys are playing for each other and for their coaches right now. Regardless of who did what and how long he'll be here, landing Sam Hartman, is proving to be one hell of a job.

There is a resilience here that I like. I don't get the impression Freeman will lose a locker room. He doesn't give off certain vibes we've had here previously and they're recruiting a certain type of kid that will stay in the fight. I like that.