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I certainly wasn’t. 8-4 Purdue doesn’t “deserve” a playoff spot. But in the 12-team system they probably get one. (They’d be either the 6th or 7th highest-ranked conference champ but with a win over Michigan I’d bet they jump to 6th.)
Which is why I'm so strongly against conference champs getting the automatic bid. It would punish Mich for going 12-1 and beating better teams but reward average teams like Purdue going 8-4 with no good wins. Toss that right out the window.
 

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Again, you do realize the B1G is expanding and divisions are likely going away? You’re using 2022 Purdue as an argument against a future situation that won’t exist
I could use others if you want. Many years I could argue 4 was too many because 1 and 2 were that much better. My point was conference championships are garbage, all conferences aren't equal, and automatic bids are trash. As is a 12 team playoff.
 

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I could use others if you want. Many years I could argue 4 was too many because 1 and 2 were that much better. My point was conference championships are garbage, all conferences aren't equal, and automatic bids are trash. As is a 12 team playoff.

Yes you could use other examples…..from the past.

The future auto bid from B1G is the last of concerns. Giant nothing burger to get worked up on.
 

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Yes you could use other examples…..from the past.

The future auto bid from B1G is the last of concerns. Giant nothing burger to get worked up on.
Stnd brought up Purdue. I didn't. No 8-4 team in college football should be in any playoff format of any kind. We're just lowering the bar here, fellas.
 

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Stnd brought up Purdue. I didn't. No 8-4 team in college football should be in any playoff format of any kind. We're just lowering the bar here, fellas.

And they won’t be. Again you’re using past, soon out of date circumstance to argue against the future.

Ohio St has 1 loss. PSU has two losses. USC has 1 loss (before this weekend). Those are all more relevant to the B1G’s future auto bid than 2022 Purdue.
 
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3-5 years for the environmental impact studies alone in the state of California. I’m sure there’s some species of insect that would be affected by the artificial turf.
That’s not how it works really in terms of an EIR but just the general design and permitting process could take several years for a major faculties upgrade/replacement.
 

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Stnd brought up Purdue. I didn't. No 8-4 team in college football should be in any playoff format of any kind. We're just lowering the bar here, fellas.
A 4 loss team almost never wins a CCG. Looking at the Power 5 conferences this is how often it has happened:
Big 10 - (1/12) Happened once in 2012 when Wisconsin won because Ohio State and Penn State were ineligible.
Big 12 - (1/21) Once in 1996 when Texas won
ACC - (2/18) Once in 2005, once in 2008
PAC 12 - (0/12) Never
SEC - (0/31) Never

So, 4 times in 94 games has it happened. The most recent (2012) was because OSU cheats and Sandusky is a rapist. In each case the team would have been the #12 seed and likely lost a 1st round game. Should an 8-4 team make the playoff? No but it may never actually happen and in the rare case it does, they won't be winning 4 straight games.

Not sure why everyone looks for the crazy outlier to dismiss an entire system. You literally could do that for any system.
 

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A 4 loss team almost never wins a CCG. Looking at the Power 5 conferences this is how often it has happened:
Big 10 - (1/12) Happened once in 2012 when Wisconsin won because Ohio State and Penn State were ineligible.
Big 12 - (1/21) Once in 1996 when Texas won
ACC - (2/18) Once in 2005, once in 2008
PAC 12 - (0/12) Never
SEC - (0/31) Never

So, 4 times in 94 games has it happened. The most recent (2012) was because OSU cheats and Sandusky is a rapist. In each case the team would have been the #12 seed and likely lost a 1st round game. Should an 8-4 team make the playoff? No but it may never actually happen and in the rare case it does, they won't be winning 4 straight games.

Not sure why everyone looks for the crazy outlier to dismiss an entire system. You literally could do that for any system.
If it's such a crazy outlier scenario why bother with the conference auto bids? Those only ensure that an 8-4 Purdue team would make the playoffs if they somehow lucked out and won the CCG.
 

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If it's such a crazy outlier scenario why bother with the conference auto bids? Those only ensure that an 8-4 Purdue team would make the playoffs if they somehow lucked out and won the CCG.
I’m sure the conferences wanted to make sure they weren’t left out. A 4 team playoff when you had 5 major conferences was never going to work.
 
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A 4 loss team almost never wins a CCG. Looking at the Power 5 conferences this is how often it has happened:
Big 10 - (1/12) Happened once in 2012 when Wisconsin won because Ohio State and Penn State were ineligible.
Big 12 - (1/21) Once in 1996 when Texas won
ACC - (2/18) Once in 2005, once in 2008
PAC 12 - (0/12) Never
SEC - (0/31) Never

So, 4 times in 94 games has it happened. The most recent (2012) was because OSU cheats and Sandusky is a rapist. In each case the team would have been the #12 seed and likely lost a 1st round game. Should an 8-4 team make the playoff? No but it may never actually happen and in the rare case it does, they won't be winning 4 straight games.

Not sure why everyone looks for the crazy outlier to dismiss an entire system. You literally could do that for any system.
you asked if purdue should make the playoff. i said hard no. thats it.
 

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The door shouldn’t be open for them to do so, however crazy the scenario would be, just so conferences can feel better about themselves
“The door shouldn’t be open to them…”

That’s literally the sentiment all college football has about us. I can see why we have a self entitled reputation. We want every single break.
 

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Future 8 - 4 Purdue won’t be in the Big Ten Championship game with a shot at automatic bid. None of this matters and makes no sense to debate. Y’all are reacting to one change and ignoring the other.
 

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Future 8 - 4 Purdue won’t be in the Big Ten Championship game with a shot at automatic bid. None of this matters and makes no sense to debate. Y’all are reacting to one change and ignoring the other.
Yeah but a shitty conference champ can happen, and if for whatever reason they wouldn’t make the playoff after they win a CCG, why should they get an automatic bid? It makes no sense to give automatic bids, period.
 

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Yeah but a shitty conference champ can happen, and if for whatever reason they wouldn’t make the playoff after they win a CCG, why should they get an automatic bid? It makes no sense to give automatic bids, period.

The general sentiment is most conferences realign or go away from divisions. Which is the point I keep repeating that seems to be lost. So they can happen now, but are less likely to happen in the future. Y’all haven’t been calibrating your argument to that for some reason. The Big Ten Championship game is likely a matchup between 0/1/2 loss teams in the future.
 

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As a ND fan, we should actually be HAPPY if a sub par team gets an auto bid. That team will likely slot in at 11 or 12 then which should be our first round opponent. Most likely a Pac 12/Big 12/G5/ACC. Now we get to play this shitty team some are so sure doesn’t deserve to be there, at home.
 

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Purdue got their ass kicked last night.
Hendon Hooker is my Heisman favorite at the moment.

With USC recruiting- how many transfers does Lincoln take this offseason?
 

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If Notre Dame was 8-4 none of us would be expecting us to make the playoffs.
Notre Dame chooses to do things differently than 99% of college football and then we complain when we’re treated a little differently. If we joined a conference then we could get a 1st round bye or have a chance to get in at 8-4. We choose a different path. I like it but understand there will be some negatives with that.

We sometimes sound like some chick who is a gluten free, vegan eater and then complains when the office orders pizza because she can’t eat it. Sorry, everyone voted on pizza.
 

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The general sentiment is most conferences realign or go away from divisions. Which is the point I keep repeating that seems to be lost. So they can happen now, but are less likely to happen in the future. Y’all haven’t been calibrating your argument to that for some reason. The Big Ten Championship game is likely a matchup between 0/1/2 loss teams in the future.
I have, but suppose that happens, how would an automatic bid help anything? If they are deserving they’ll get in without the automatic bid. The only way an automatic bid helps the conferences is if it’s a bubble or undeserving team. We see conferences do things to favor getting their teams in the playoffs all the time, aren’t you even slightly concerned that they’d try to game the system with an auto-qualify conference champ?
 

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I have, but suppose that happens, how would an automatic bid help anything? If they are deserving they’ll get in without the automatic bid. The only way an automatic bid helps the conferences is if it’s a bubble or undeserving team. We see conferences do things to favor getting their teams in the playoffs all the time, aren’t you even slightly concerned that they’d try to game the system with an auto-qualify conference champ?

Take the tinfoil ND hat off. Approaching it from the “conferences” are trying to do something is bizarre. Everyone but us is the conferences! The rest of the country values winning their conference.

The only people who dislike auto bids are ND fans and mediocre SEC schools.
 

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I thought this was the USC thread. Next thing you know, this thread will be hijacked by a discussion about Naugles.
 

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As a ND fan, we should actually be HAPPY if a sub par team gets an auto bid. That team will likely slot in at 11 or 12 then which should be our first round opponent. Most likely a Pac 12/Big 12/G5/ACC. Now we get to play this shitty team some are so sure doesn’t deserve to be there, at home.
Michigan would still get in though as an at large had they lost last night. This would just eliminate one of the auto-bid slots ND could be going for.
 

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Michigan would still get in though as an at large had they lost last night. This would just eliminate one of the auto-bid slot ND could be going for.

I mean for like the 4th time 2022 Purdue, who lost, does not matter. The Big Ten is either restructuring or getting rid of divisions

OSU and PSU would have been in regardless. Changes nothing to NDs chances (which the system isn’t built specifically for our chances anyways)
 
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Notre Dame chooses to do things differently than 99% of college football and then we complain when we’re treated a little differently. If we joined a conference then we could get a 1st round bye or have a chance to get in at 8-4. We choose a different path. I like it but understand there will be some negatives with that.

We sometimes sound like some chick who is a gluten free, vegan eater and then complains when the office orders pizza because she can’t eat it. Sorry, everyone voted on pizza.
My complaints don’t really have anything to do with ND. I most don’t want the playoffs watered down with shit teams because they happen to pull off a miracle upset.
 
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