Marcus Freeman Revisited

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5-1 with Daniels AND Rees?

We sure about this?

Pretty sure. If Pyne/Buchner even plays to their average potential we’re 5 - 1, it’s not that big a compliment lol. We’re at least 4 - 2, one could blame the OL and defense more for Marshall. The Stanford game was entirely QB play, however or whomever you want to assign the blame.
 

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Run everything back next year with a transfer QB and then make a decision. While player development is absolutely a fair criticism, Pyne is too bad to even properly judge Rees as a playcaller IMO. Also, Rees did a hell of a job developing Book FWIW. Can't say he didn't Maximize his talent.
I want Rees gone.
I also think Pyne is so bad, it's hard to judge this current (no TB) production.
I also think the QB depth is Rees' fault
I want Rees gone.
 

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My problem with not taking a guy like JT or Slovis is that everyone on the planet should've factored in Buchner's proneness for injury and being stuck with only Pyne and Angelli in the QB room. You should ALWAYS want more talent in the room and for the competition to weed out the guys who can't hack it. Instead, they were too worried about hurt feelings.

Maybe JT comes and gets beat out by Buchner. But then Buchner gets hurt and JT starts over Pyne. But then JT plays like crap and Pyne gets a shot. Regardless, having more talent is always better than not having enough. Let that situation play itself out.

Would it have changed any of these outcomes? I'm not sure. There are a lot of variables going into these losses. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't have brought in another QB.
 

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Yeah, maybe that is true. But when you go the lazy path or the easy one this type of stuff will happen more often than not. MF may turn it around, not liking what I hear or see so far. In Holtz first year we lost a bunch, but the feel was different. Right now, I expect to lose because most of our staff lacks experience and knowledge how to shift when something is not working.

ND is in a horrible spot. Our awesome class is teetering, our awesome, energetic coach has should little leadership, and our OC is really above reproach. I feel like I did during the Willingham Era, and that sucks.

ND is in a horrible spot right now

Our awesome class is still on track to be one of the better classes in the last several decades

Energetic coach shown little leadership--you really expect him to throw gasoline on the fire by pointing fingers in pressers?

and OC is above reproach--we won't know that until the offseason (unfortunately)

I do not feel like I did during the Willingham Era because MF is not prioritizing leisure over recruiting.

The sky is grey and cloudy, but not falling--yet. It sucks that most of the issues facing this team can't be fixed mid-season, but doesn't mean they can't be fixed. If we're sitting here in February and the class has fallen apart, Tommy is still the OC, and there is no word on a MF come-to-Jesus moment a la Kelly post-2016 then I will gladly join you in the pessimism.
 

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Pretty sure. If Pyne/Buchner even plays to his average potential we’re 5 - 1, it’s not that big a compliment lol.
Agreed…….we’ve had way too many missed offensive opportunities. There have been plenty of times where the play call was good but the execution was not. Much of that has been on the QB play although there have been plenty of instances where the ”receiver” execution has been poor (lack of separation/focus as well as dropped balls). If the QB play was elevated, I think this would have mitigated much of the offensive ineffectiveness. Personally, I’d like to see Angeli get some real time as I feel his ceiling is much higher than Pyne. Love Pyne‘s effort and love for his team but his locking on receivers, height limitations and relative limitations on mobility are going to make his performances uneven at best. Angeli would have uneven performances as well but his future is much different. Maybe the staff feels Angeli isn’t ready from knowing the playbook standpoint and that may be holding him back.
 

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GTFO with this bad faith bullshit. In what sense is the team Kelly left comparable to Meyer's OSU or Stoops' OU?

How many regular season losses did ND have in the 5 years prior to Freeman taking over this year? The program was on autopilot against everyone not named Alabama, Ohio State and Clemsoin. Freeman has lost four of his first seven games, including two of the most embarrassing ones in history.

Tyler Buchner was his starting QB. He performed just has miserably as Pyne. They both had a great offer list.

What does Freeman even do, Whiskey? He stands there looking scared. He doesn't even talk in his headset to his assistants giving direction. Rees runs Rees offense and Golden run Goldens defense. He decides to go for it o kick a field goal I guess. And he recruits off the field.

All you guys do is make excuses. 'But the quarterback, but it's an academic school, but he's still learning.

Brian Kelly said himself in a message that wasn't supposed to go public that Freeman wasn't the guy.
 

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They are first time coaches taking over very good programs after their head coach left AND inherited Heisman caliber QBs. Marcus Freeman inherited MAC level QBs. For the sake of not beating a dead horse anymore, I will find some common ground with you that he is at fault for taking the word of his OC and not taking a QB. But they didn't, so they're stuck with what they got. Sure, that is on him ultimately.

This is a fair take. I would also add that he didn't add any receivers, which we sorely needed, either.
 

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How many regular season losses did ND have in the 5 years prior to Freeman taking over this year? The program was on autopilot against everyone not named Alabama, Ohio State and Clemsoin. Freeman has lost four of his first seven games, including two of the most embarrassing ones in history.

Tyler Buchner was his starting QB. He performed just has miserably as Pyne. They both had a great offer list.

What does Freeman even do, Whiskey? He stands there looking scared. He doesn't even talk in his headset to his assistants giving direction. Rees runs Rees offense and Golden run Goldens defense. He decides to go for it o kick a field goal I guess. And he recruits off the field.

All you guys do is make excuses. 'But the quarterback, but it's an academic school, but he's still learning.

Brian Kelly said himself in a message that wasn't supposed to go public that Freeman wasn't the guy.

Can you share where you saw this? Genuinely interested.
 

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How many regular season losses did ND have in the 5 years prior to Freeman taking over this year? The program was on autopilot against everyone not named Alabama, Ohio State and Clemsoin. Freeman has lost four of his first seven games, including two of the most embarrassing ones in history.
You and the rest of the boo birds weren't remotely satisfied with the high floor/ low ceiling that Kelly provided in his last five years. As soon as we ran into an elite defense in the post-season and looked predictably inept moving the ball, you'd all go into existential crisis mode about how ND will never win another championship, time to move on from Kelly, etc. Excuse me if I'm not impressed by your newfound respect for Kelly only now that he became the first coach to ever voluntarily leave ND to chase a bag. You will reach for any argument, no matter how unprincipled, if it lets you bitch about the program.
Tyler Buchner was his starting QB. He performed just has miserably as Pyne. They both had a great offer list.
QB recruiting has been a persistent problem since Kelly arrived. QB development has not.
What does Freeman even do, Whiskey? He stands there looking scared. He doesn't even talk in his headset to his assistants giving direction. Rees runs Rees offense and Golden run Goldens defense. He decides to go for it o kick a field goal I guess. And he recruits off the field.
You don't know the first f*cking thing about what a CFB HC does during the game. This is all emotional projection for you.
All you guys do is make excuses. 'But the quarterback, but it's an academic school, but he's still learning.
Irish fans deserve better than this. But Kelly left ND with some major holes on the roster, and there's almost always pain during head coaching transitions. It's still far too early to tell what Freeman is capable of. I'm still glad we gambled on the low floor/ high ceiling guy (Freeman) over the safe hire (Fickell). The latter would have signalled that ND doesn't really expect to ever compete for another title.
Brian Kelly said himself in a message that wasn't supposed to go public that Freeman wasn't the guy.
I really don't give a shit what that self-serving mercenary fuck chooses to leak about Freeman.
 

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Can't wait until Tommy is gone and we can start ragging on the new OC for not putting up 50 per game.

Tommy's playing calling has been uneven for sure, but Saturday's loss was on the entire team and staff.
 

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Can't wait until Tommy is gone and we can start ragging on the new OC for not putting up 50 per game.

Tommy's playing calling has been uneven for sure, but Saturday's loss was on the entire team and staff.

Visit the Bama UNC, OU, Arkansas etc boards and you can read the fire O’Brien, Lebby, Briles, Longo etc posts
 

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You and the rest of the boo birds weren't remotely satisfied with the high floor/ low ceiling that Kelly provided in his last five years. As soon as we ran into an elite defense in the post-season and looked predictably inept moving the ball, you'd all go into existential crisis mode about how ND will never win another championship, time to move on from Kelly, etc. Excuse me if I'm not impressed by your newfound respect for Kelly only now that he became the first coach to ever voluntarily leave ND to chase a bag. You will reach for any argument, no matter how unprincipled, if it lets you bitch about the program.

QB recruiting has been a persistent problem since Kelly arrived. QB development has not.

You don't know the first f*cking thing about what a CFB HC does during the game. This is all emotional projection for you.

Irish fans deserve better than this. But Kelly left ND with some major holes on the roster, and there's almost always pain during head coaching transitions. It's still far too early to tell what Freeman is capable of. I'm still glad we gambled on the low floor/ high ceiling guy (Freeman) over the safe hire (Fickell). The latter would have signalled that ND doesn't really expect to ever compete for another title.

I really don't give a shit what that self-serving mercenary fuck chooses to leak about Freeman.
BK is an infinitely better Head Football Coach than Freeman, if you like it or not.

Freeman just sounded ridiculous in his press conference. Dude literally said he didn’t know what was going on during the Marshall game. And then says he lacks confidence in his own coaching ability.

As an analyst from another site said, no need to negative recruit ND, just play those videos from his press conference of him saying he doesn’t know what is going on & lacks confidence in his own a
Coaching…
 

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How many regular season losses did ND have in the 5 years prior to Freeman taking over this year? The program was on autopilot against everyone not named Alabama, Ohio State and Clemsoin. Freeman has lost four of his first seven games, including two of the most embarrassing ones in history.

Tyler Buchner was his starting QB. He performed just has miserably as Pyne. They both had a great offer list.

What does Freeman even do, Whiskey? He stands there looking scared. He doesn't even talk in his headset to his assistants giving direction. Rees runs Rees offense and Golden run Goldens defense. He decides to go for it o kick a field goal I guess. And he recruits off the field.

All you guys do is make excuses. 'But the quarterback, but it's an academic school, but he's still learning.

Brian Kelly said himself in a message that wasn't supposed to go public that Freeman wasn't the guy.
A great post Sea Turtle.
 

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You and the rest of the boo birds weren't remotely satisfied with the high floor/ low ceiling that Kelly provided in his last five years. As soon as we ran into an elite defense in the post-season and looked predictably inept moving the ball, you'd all go into existential crisis mode about how ND will never win another championship, time to move on from Kelly, etc. Excuse me if I'm not impressed by your newfound respect for Kelly only now that he became the first coach to ever voluntarily leave ND to chase a bag. You will reach for any argument, no matter how unprincipled, if it lets you bitch about the program.

QB recruiting has been a persistent problem since Kelly arrived. QB development has not.

You don't know the first f*cking thing about what a CFB HC does during the game. This is all emotional projection for you.

Irish fans deserve better than this. But Kelly left ND with some major holes on the roster, and there's almost always pain during head coaching transitions. It's still far too early to tell what Freeman is capable of. I'm still glad we gambled on the low floor/ high ceiling guy (Freeman) over the safe hire (Fickell). The latter would have signalled that ND doesn't really expect to ever compete for another title.

I really don't give a shit what that self-serving mercenary fuck chooses to leak about Freeman.
Agree. Fickell would be Kelly 2.0. Need to give Freeman a year to acclimate. The good part is he's not making knee jerk decisions based off of emotions or results.
 

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Visit the Bama UNC, OU, Arkansas etc boards and you can read the fire O’Brien, Lebby, Briles, Longo etc posts
LOL - the Bama boards are firing the OC, DC, DB coaches and their S&C staff...
 

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BK is an infinitely better Head Football Coach than Freeman, if you like it or not.

Freeman just sounded ridiculous in his press conference. Dude literally said he didn’t know what was going on during the Marshall game. And then says he lacks confidence in his own coaching ability.

As an analyst from another site said, no need to negative recruit ND, just play those videos from his press conference of him saying he doesn’t know what is going on & lacks confidence in his own a
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Thats what I thought about the Presser too. Total trainwreck. He should be angry as fuck instead he looks like he wants to fucking cry. This is Football, not figure skating. Grow some. Those players should be working out like they are hitting the Beaches at Normandy against UNLV and he should be so far in Rees's shorts over this pathetic offense that he stops golfing.

I want Marcus Purple Face not talking ethereal nonsense.
 

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You and the rest of the boo birds weren't remotely satisfied with the high floor/ low ceiling that Kelly provided in his last five years. As soon as we ran into an elite defense in the post-season and looked predictably inept moving the ball, you'd all go into existential crisis mode about how ND will never win another championship, time to move on from Kelly, etc. Excuse me if I'm not impressed by your newfound respect for Kelly only now that he became the first coach to ever voluntarily leave ND to chase a bag. You will reach for any argument, no matter how unprincipled, if it lets you bitch about the program.
Good to know that my ignore button hasn't caused me to miss anything from that shit poster.
 

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If Marcus wants to cry go for it. It would be something LOL. I look at that boob Kirby Smart and think he's a horrible head coach but he fires dudes up and has passion. The stoic approach isn't working. I don't want a Kelly type yeller and someone who belittles. I want a guy that has passion and emotion and high energy. It's just all so disappointing.
 

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If Marcus wants to cry go for it. It would be something LOL. I look at that boob Kirby Smart and think he's a horrible head coach but he fires dudes up and has passion. The stoic approach isn't working. I don't want a Kelly type yeller and someone who belittles. I want a guy that has passion and emotion and high energy. It's just all so disappointing.
I sincerely don't understand this. What could Freeman have done demonstrably in front of cameras that was going to make this team better than 3-3? Fist pumps? Dance steps? Maybe play grab ass with the chain gang? What does it look like, exactly? I don't see how Freeman having a mini fuckabout on the sidelines is beneficial to the rest of the staff and the players.

This is so overrated. A 36 year old man meating out in public is going to ignite the masses and inspire first downs. Like Bill Walsh doing the Bruce Springsteen step would've gotten them over the hump against those neanderthal Giants defenses.

Do we blame his being raised by a military man for him being so terribly boring on the sidelines?
 

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Just watched. Dude literally looked like he was about to fucking cry...

I can picture him crying like Cuba Gooding Jr. and swinging into the air at home in the dark. I know that's wrong but still.
 

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Can someone point me to where he is going to cry in the presser? What minute mark?
 

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How many regular season losses did ND have in the 5 years prior to Freeman taking over this year? The program was on autopilot against everyone not named Alabama, Ohio State and Clemsoin. Freeman has lost four of his first seven games, including two of the most embarrassing ones in history.

Tyler Buchner was his starting QB. He performed just has miserably as Pyne. They both had a great offer list.

What does Freeman even do, Whiskey? He stands there looking scared. He doesn't even talk in his headset to his assistants giving direction. Rees runs Rees offense and Golden run Goldens defense. He decides to go for it o kick a field goal I guess. And he recruits off the field.

All you guys do is make excuses. 'But the quarterback, but it's an academic school, but he's still learning.

Brian Kelly said himself in a message that wasn't supposed to go public that Freeman wasn't the guy.
yeah, i think freeman though he could just walk in and keep ND on autopilot and just roll to a 10 win season. say what you want about BK but he really new what he was doing, probably all those years of HC experience to lean on. everything is flying at MF at 100 mph and he's having to figure everything out on the fly and it's just not working.

also i'd love to see more fire and passion out of him, his speeches make me sleepy.
 

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I sincerely don't understand this. What could Freeman have done demonstrably in front of cameras that was going to make this team better than 3-3? Fist pumps? Dance steps? Maybe play grab ass with the chain gang? What does it look like, exactly? I don't see how Freeman having a mini fuckabout on the sidelines is beneficial to the rest of the staff and the players.

This is so overrated. A 36 year old man meating out in public is going to ignite the masses and inspire first downs. Like Bill Walsh doing the Bruce Springsteen step would've gotten them over the hump against those neanderthal Giants defenses.

Do we blame his being raised by a military man for him being so terribly boring on the sidelines?


Haha, come on man. We are 3-3 and completely inept. You cannot be content with the approach.
 

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yeah, i think freeman though he could just walk in and keep ND on autopilot and just roll to a 10 win season. say what you want about BK but he really new what he was doing, probably all those years of HC experience to lean on. everything is flying at MF at 100 mph and he's having to figure everything out on the fly and it's just not working.

also i'd love to see more fire and passion out of him, his speeches make me sleepy.
I think BK's comments about Freeman being hired were unfortunately not malicious but real: "They will have growing pains.... He (MF) will learn some things along the way."

Many ND fans - including Mr. Driskell - thought BK was an idiot and Freeman could only improve things. They ignored Brian Kelly's HUGE amount of experience before coming to ND. Young Bull vs. Old Bull. Old Bull usually wins.
 
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