What does ND do if we finish 1-11?

[Mare426]

No question, ND sucks this year and things need to turn around. Talent and experience are what is going to get us through. Experience goes for coaching too. CW will take his licks this year, and he'll apply the lessons to next year. I think ND improves vastly next year. This is a team that has forgotten how to win. It's going to be a long hard offseason, and those who remember how bad this year will work their butts off so they never have to go through this again. That's why recruiting high character guys is so important. This team, Charlie included, will use this season as a stepping stone to better things to come. If there is anyone who doesn't believe that CW is WAAAAY more upset about this season than anyone, I'm sure they are wrong. The guy knows football better than any of the fans and that's why he's the coach. We need to have faith. I'm not drinking KoolAid here. I just know that CW is a smart guy and he'll find a way to put all the talent he's brought in to good use. ND will return to the top of CFB.

I totally agree with this post. Of course we all want our IRISH to win but it isn't going to happen this year. Next year is definitely going to be a better year, it's just sooo long to wait for a new season.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Spin it any way you want but it's coaching. Not players. Navy and Air Force don't have near the athletes you guys have and please don't tell me they do. Charlie Weis is a fraud, FACE IT.

Do coaches have to teach players to catch balls that hit them in the hands? How about not to fumble when you're about to get sacked or tackled? How about not commiting penalties when you stop the opponent on 3rd down and give the opponent a 1st down?

I agree the coaching has been sub par, but you can't seriously claim the players have executed everything asked of them.

These are the kinds of posts that the person you quoted called old and tiresome. If you feel Weis is a fraud fine, but if you're going to post here, be objective and support it with facts and arguments.

Oh and if I'm not mistaken Airforce lost to Tennesee by one point a year or so ago.

 

[SteveM]

To recap what I’ve said before and other guys have also articulated, the issue/concern for me is team trajectory or direction. The fact that we did not improve over the year is really troubling. Here’s where I’m coming from on this. I live in DC and when Joe Gibbs first retired, a guy name Ritchie Pettibon was named to replace him. Ritchie was the defensive coordinator with the same respect at the pro level that Charlie had with the Pats. And OBTW, the same personality – stubborn and irascible. And under Ritchie the team collapsed. Ritchie could scheme, but he could not motivate. And he was almost clueless on the sidelines. He often had this stunned looked on his face. Even things like clock management were beyond him. And quickly, that was that. I’m sorry to say that I see in Charlie the same archetype.

This is the last thing I’m saying about Charlie until the season ends. I love ND. But the reality has been just too stark to ignore.

 

[BleedinOrange]

Do coaches have to teach players to catch balls that hit them in the hands? How about not to fumble when you're about to get sacked or tackled? How about not commiting penalties when you stop the opponent on 3rd down and give the opponent a 1st down?

I agree the coaching has been sub par, but you can't seriously claim the players have executed everything asked of them.

These are the kinds of posts that the person you quoted called old and tiresome. If you feel Weis is a fraud fine, but if you're going to post here, be objective and support it with facts and arguments.

Oh and if I'm not mistaken Airforce lost to Tennesee by one point a year or so ago.

The first bold is hilarious...penalties are complete lack of discipline which...you guessed it...is Coaching...thanks for playing...

Second bold....1-9....nuff said...

 

[BleedinOrange]

Well there goes it, Fulmer isn't worth a shit either so don't talk too much crap. The only reason that team is still afloat is Cutcliff.

I'll agree our teams have been subpar for 6 years now there is no doubt.

 

[Newc]

Haha so then how do you justify bashing ND??

 

[SoCalDomer]

Because that's what SEC fans do. I don't think I've met an SEC fan that can be objective.

SEC benefits from playing patsies :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Colleges

FOX Sports on MSN - BCS - Time for SEC teams to toughen up

I bet you won't find an SEC fan who wouldn't curse and scream bloody murder against these two articles (which are full of facts, not opinion).

My brother in law was blathering all sorts of ND hate, like this is what they get for not being in a conference and for having their own network contract. Things that have nothing to do with winning or losing. But I heard all this smack when Alabama started hot. As of yesterday, I haven't heard anything more (they lost to badly to Miss State and look to be average this year.)

 

[johnnd05]

From a poster at BGS (link):

I'd like to do an experiment:

Take a team like Michigan and put them in ND's shoes. Remove Hart and Henne for the whole season, and replace them with Frosh and Sophs. Take away Manningham and replace him with a Frosh. Then, remove a couple of O-line starters. Lastly, take the junior and senior classes and remove a dozen of the most talented guys, including those who might fill those holes in the O-line. Throw in a bit more inexperience at some key positions on D.

What's Michigan's record now? I'd say 3-8, 4-7.

I'm not picking on Michigan, and I'm not saying we should be losing to Navy and Air Force. I'm just saying that there are some pretty serious extenuating circumstances going on here. This is hard to stomach, but it's not inexplicable.

It's not time to panic.

... not to mention take away a total of 15 scholarship players, bring in a defensive coordinator with a whole new scheme, make Mallet have offseason surgery on his throwing arm with both of the underclassmen tailbacks coming off of injuries as well, a brutally difficult schedule to start the season, a bunch of key guys banged up at various times during the year, etc. etc. Shit can snowball.

This is the most compelling bit of Weis apologetics I've read in a while ...

 

[connor_in]

I don't want to hear about how we don't get palyers because of the standards. This will be the third year we have a top 10 or better class. I'm still optimistic for next year but I also expect some results.

So our having a top recruiting class this year should help us out as a team this year? That's what your statement sounds like. I would like to know how these highschool seniors could help us in these last two games...?

 

[SoCalDomer]

penalties are complete lack of discipline which...you guessed it...is Coaching

Oh I see. So last night when a Colts lineman false started and moved them back to 4th an 5 versus 4th and less than a yard and probably cost them a chance to win the game, it was the coaches' fault. You're right, that Tony Dungy and his coaching staff are bad coaches who completely fails to teach the team discipline. That was especially true last year right?

Good call.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Second bold....1-9....nuff said...

True, win loss record from one year is proof positive of fraud versus successful coach. Consider Pete Carroll who had losing records with the Patriots. You're right, he's a fraud.

 

[kmoose]

Spin it any way you want but it's coaching. Not players. Navy and Air Force don't have near the athletes you guys have and please don't tell me they do. Charlie Weis is a fraud, FACE IT.

Actually, you are arguing against your own hate, here. The Service Academy games are a great example of how it is not all a coaching issue. You see, if we had these great athletes who are so much better than Navy and Air Force's athlete, then our D-Line and LBs would have had NO problem shedding blocks and shutting their offenses down. But that's not what happened. Air Force ran the option to near perfection against us for the very reason that our corners and LBs did not win the one-on-one matchups, and make plays. If they did make a play, it was 7 or 8 yards downfield. So the service academies are actually a good example of how lacking ND is, in athleticism. The coaches can also take some blame, in that it is their job to devise schemes that allow less athletic players to succeed. But the fact still remains: ND should have had superior athleticism at every position on the field, and it was obvious they didn't.

 

[connor_in]

Yes...we stink this year...for numerous reasons...coaching, talent level in upper classes, bad mistakes and jusdgements by players/coaches...its been the perfect storm.

Howerever (I bet you thought I was gonna say but), I do believe we are going to get better.

This year is shot and the psyche's and the morale of the team are pretty much out the window right now. But, (players) walk away from this year but keep it first and foremost in your minds...in the offseason as you train and in spring football...remember everything...remember the press (all of it radio, tv, mags, papers, internet)...rememebr it, use it, feed off it...come together, work together, become a TEAM!

Weiss is not a genius that can do anything...this is only his second head coaching gig...the first was high school...he came from the pros...OF COURSE there are a number of things he has to get used to at this level and learn to deal with and get thru...even wwith the last couple of yrs, I never put him on this huge pedastal...he had a hard time dealing with adversity...OK, let's see what lessons he learns from it...if he can't get us over .500 next year and shows little to no improvement, then call for his head

I can't believe how self-righteous and reactionary so many of you are in these types of threads (especially the Weis sucks ones)...you know how to fix things, but apparently he doesn't...and you assume that the things he says to the press are what he actually believes and says to his guys?!?! Seriously?!?!?!? He coached under Belechek and Tuna...how up front were they with the media?...what he says in public and what he tells his team are worlds apart (much less how he gets it across).

So...in conclusion...we suck this year..lump it...check out the other so called powers in football from the last couple of decades...many of them have their own deamons...I am deeply disappointed in this team...but I was thinking along the lines of 4-5 win season anyway so OH WELL! I had hoped for more improvement DURING the season, but OH WELL!...and again if no improvements next year when these players have had the chance to come to grips with things and move on and grow as players and men...Tehn I will be angry instaed of just disappointed

 

[BleedinOrange]

Oh I see. So last night when a Colts lineman false started and moved them back to 4th an 5 versus 4th and less than a yard and probably cost them a chance to win the game, it was the coaches' fault. You're right, that Tony Dungy and his coaching staff are bad coaches who completely fails to teach the team discipline. That was especially true last year right?

Good call.

Dumb penalties = Lack of Discipline = Poor coaching

Fact is...College football is better overall when Notre Dame is at or near the top. They have something that no other college football program in the nation does not have. TV exposure for EVERY game, what a recruiting tool. Notre Dame should never and I mean never lose more than 3 games in a season. The fact that they are 1-9 and people are calling for Weis' head is ludicris.

 

[BleedinOrange]

Actually, you are arguing against your own hate, here. The Service Academy games are a great example of how it is not all a coaching issue. You see, if we had these great athletes who are so much better than Navy and Air Force's athlete, then our D-Line and LBs would have had NO problem shedding blocks and shutting their offenses down. But that's not what happened. Air Force ran the option to near perfection against us for the very reason that our corners and LBs did not win the one-on-one matchups, and make plays. If they did make a play, it was 7 or 8 yards downfield. So the service academies are actually a good example of how lacking ND is, in athleticism. The coaches can also take some blame, in that it is their job to devise schemes that allow less athletic players to succeed. But the fact still remains: ND should have had superior athleticism at every position on the field, and it was obvious they didn't.

Go back, look at recruiting rankings and then come tell me how close it is. I don't even have to look. I know it's not even close. If you honestly think that the athletes you guys have compare directly with the athletes of Air Force and Navy then you need more help than i can provide.

 

[BleedinOrange]

True, win loss record from one year is proof positive of fraud versus successful coach. Consider Pete Carroll who had losing records with the Patriots. You're right, he's a fraud.

Your comparing apples to oranges bud. How many successful college coaches go into the NFL and win??? Jimmy Johnson??

Great argument, but thats what I would expect from yet another delusional ND fan...

 

[connor_in]

Dumb penalties = Lack of Discipline = Poor coaching

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New England had 12 miles in penalties in their game versus the Colts...it's a pity they are so poorly coached, right bleedinorange?

 

[BleedinOrange]

Dumb penalties = Lack of Discipline = Poor coaching

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New England had 12 miles in penalties in their game versus the Colts...it's a pity they are so poorly coached, right bleedinorange?

You guys bring up situations in which it only fits your argument...this is hilarious...

Ask anyone in the world that knows a thing about football and they will tell you that teams that are penalized the most are undiscipline and poorly coached...

Keep being delusional...keep enjoying the 1-9 record....Keep enjoying CW and is great pro style offense...what did it take you 5 games to score and offensive TD? Congrats.

 

[Sureal]

You guys bring up situations in which it only fits your argument...this is hilarious...

Ask anyone in the world that knows a thing about football and they will tell you that teams that are penalized the most are undiscipline and poorly coached...

Keep being delusional...keep enjoying the 1-9 record....Keep enjoying CW and is great pro style offense...what did it take you 5 games to score and offensive TD? Congrats.

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And offensive td? What do you mean?

Why are you on here "telling the truth" about how sorry we are yet you got an ND avatar?
What team do you like anyway? Why are you even on IE? To let us know that ND ain't good this year? Don't you got something better to do with your time?

 

[kmoose]

Go back, look at recruiting rankings and then come tell me how close it is. I don't even have to look. I know it's not even close. If you honestly think that the athletes you guys have compare directly with the athletes of Air Force and Navy then you need more help than i can provide.

You know what's wrong with your premise? You automatically assume that the guys at the Service academies were rated lower than ND's because they weren't as talented. Most of the athletes at Army, Navy, and Air Force are superb athletes. They don't get rated as high because they are undersized. But a guy who runs a 4.4 40 and is 5'9", is just as fast as a guy who runs a 4.4 40, and is 6'5". A guy who is 6'1" and 220 lbs, who benches 400, is just as strong as a guy who is 6'7", 320, and benches the same 400 lbs. Superior coordination and balance know no height, nor weight. And the one thing that these guys have on probably 110 other D-IA teams is conditioning. These guys are in football condition, year round.

 

[connor_in]

You guys bring up situations in which it only fits your argumentQUOTE]

GOD FORBID!

So you regularly use examples that don't prove your point...to prove your point?!?

R U IN POLITICS????????????

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

I'd like to add my two cents....STOP BICKERING, charlie is our coach...he will remain our coach, let's rally behind these young players and this ND team and not worry about whether or not he can do it...I would rather have someone who cares about what this university stands for with his whole heart, completely determined to do everything possible to win... then some Urban Meyer.

I can't help but think you guys have been spoiled by the last two years that you can so easily erase a coach and what he has done, this guy bleeds Blue and Gold, and honestly... that is all I need from a coach. This is Notre Dame fellas, the players are coming... and soon, the championships will too.

 

[goldenlid]

I feel even worst for bleedinorange since the fraud beat his team in his 1st year. I would hate to get beat by team that I knew was being ran by a fraud.

 

[goldandblue]

I feel even worst for bleedinorange since the fraud beat his team in his 1st year. I would hate to get beat by team that I knew was being ran by a fraud.

Yeah, I was at the game in 05' when U.T. got their ass kicked. So..... If our coach is so bad what the hell does that say for yours bleedinorange? Oh yeah while were talking about U.T. football, What about your current drug Policy? Makes complete sense why the Jamal Lewis' and Leonard Littles of the world choose U.T.

 

[GoIrish41]

Your comparing apples to oranges bud. How many successful college coaches go into the NFL and win??? Jimmy Johnson??

Great argument, but thats what I would expect from yet another delusional ND fan...

I've got a question ... why would a Tenn. Vol. fan come on a ND board and pick an argument with every poster on said board. Answer, because he is a jerkoff.

Don't you think Bleedin, that posters on this board have given a lot more thought to ND's current situation than you have. You've got enough to worry about with your lackluster Vol team and your very own lowsy coach. Let us worry about ours. Is there some reason you are spending time on an ND board instead of your own. Is it, perhaps, because you are an abrasive, know-it-all prick and that they don't like you over there either?

 

[BleedinOrange]

Dumb penalties = Lack of Discipline = Poor coaching

Fact is...College football is better overall when Notre Dame is at or near the top. They have something that no other college football program in the nation does not have. TV exposure for EVERY game, what a recruiting tool. Notre Dame should never and I mean never lose more than 3 games in a season. The fact that they are 1-9 and people are calling for Weis' head is ludicris.

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And offensive td? What do you mean?

Why are you on here "telling the truth" about how sorry we are yet you got an ND avatar?
What team do you like anyway? Why are you even on IE? To let us know that ND ain't good this year? Don't you got something better to do with your time?

I will let my top quote speak for itself on the matter.

 

[BleedinOrange]

Yeah, I was at the game in 05' when U.T. got their ass kicked. So..... If our coach is so bad what the hell does that say for yours bleedinorange? Oh yeah while were talking about U.T. football, What about your current drug Policy? Makes complete sense why the Jamal Lewis' and Leonard Littles of the world choose U.T.

Congrats you beat us in the same year that we also lost to Vanderbilt and had a lousy 5-6 record.

What have you guys lost 9 bowl games in a row? That's ridiculous considering the circumstances of Notre Dame football. CW needs to win a bowl game before we start comparing him to a coach with a National Title and numerous SEC East and SEC Conference titles. Not too mention a top 10 winning percentage in all of college football.

 

[ACamp1900]

This thread is way beyond the first point... but I'll go back to it anyway...

if ND finishes 1-11 it doesn't make a BIT of difference now... in Notre Dame terms what the hell is the difference between 1-11 and 3-9???

 

[GoIrish41]

in Notre Dame terms what the hell is the difference between 1-11 and 3-9???

2 Ws. What do I win?

Sorry if I'm losing my temper and contributing to this or any other thread veering off topic. I'm just tired of all of the freakin trolls coming out of the woodwork on IE. It's really getting old.

 

[Sureal]

2 Ws. What do I win?

Sorry if I'm losing my temper and contributing to this or any other thread veering off topic. I'm just tired of all of the freakin trolls coming out of the woodwork on IE. It's really getting old.

Agreed...

Difficult to post in a sensible manner nowadays and talk about the Irish without a fan from, IDK, Mount Union coming on here talkin' trash...